Oil Which Oil in your 2.2 CTDi?

[Selwoc]

I’ve read all the posts in this thread and I’m still confused which Castrol Edge 0-30W oil that can be used and which one (Edge, Diesel Edge, or Diesel Turbo Edge) is preferable to use.

In the owner’s handbook of my 2.2 CDTI, bought 2 weeks ago, it gives oil spec requirements for cars fitted with DPF and a different spec for cars without. I didn’t think that Honda have fitted any DPFs on the Civics yet.

Castrol’s website recommends Edge Turbo Diesel 0-30W for all Honda diesels.

[cb550]

Originally Posted by Selwoc

I’ve read all the posts in this thread and I’m still confused which Castrol Edge 0-30W oil that can be used and which one (Edge, Diesel Edge, or Diesel Turbo Edge) is preferable to use.

In the owner’s handbook of my 2.2 CDTI, bought 2 weeks ago, it gives oil spec requirements for cars fitted with DPF and a different spec for cars without. I didn’t think that Honda have fitted any DPFs on the Civics yet.

Castrol’s website recommends Edge Turbo Diesel 0-30W for all Honda diesels.

Can understand the confusion.If you're not the sort of person who has any specific views about this subject,for peace of mind visit your dealer and request the correct make and grade they recommend.If they come over vague such as 'oh any .......... will be fine' ask to speak to the service manager and explain you need a specific answer-ask them to write the details down if they cannot supply any.

My dealer a little suprisingly does not keep engine oil in retail sales quantities.

[Miggins]

Edge for Diesels is different to Edge (without Diesel designation). Costco had an offer I couldn't resist until I realised that it wasn't the diesel variant.

0-30W Edge Diesel is the the only spec for your diesel - Avonvale put the wrong spec in mine and I only picked up on it because they gave me a complimentary bottle of the 'wrong stuff' - they agreed to change it to the deared 0-30W Edge Diesel (no argument!). Wonder if it had anything to do with 0-30W being the dearest of the oils they stocked? (cynic)

As for going to your local dealer - I did that last week to see what they had on show and be friendly etc and Avonvale Northampton (car arm) have gone!

[terry]

Miggins: See the email from Castrol on which Edge to use from message #30 onwards of this thread which disagrees with your statement "0-30W Edge Diesel is the the only spec for your diesel".

Terry

[Miggins]

Originally Posted by terry

This is what I got from Castrol when I asked what the difference was:

"Layman's terms - the Diesel version is the latest Low SAPS ( Low
Sulphated Ash, Phosphorous and Sulphur ) performance specification for
the Euro 4 diesel engines with diesel particulate filters ( such as BMW
LL04, MB 229.31 ) whereas the EDGE 0W-30 does not meet the latest Low
SAPS specs for diesel engines. So You can use the EDGE 0W-30 in older
diesel engines and up to date petrol engines, but for the very latest (
2006 onward )diesel engines I would suggest the EDGE Turbo Diesel 0W-30
would be better.

Hope that helps

Kind regards

Andy Griffin
Castrol Technical Support"

It may not kill your engine using Edge 0-30W but as stated by the Castrol Techie, Edge Diesel 0-30W is the correct spec to use - not Edge 0-30W!

I worked with a Tribologist who ran his car on coca cola (with additives) for engine lube - fancy using that instead? Use the spec identified as it will/should give optimum performance over the alternative options.

[marzyniu]

i use Motul 8100 x-cess 5w40

[bunjamin]

I was at the dealers (Boston Honda) the other day for something else but whilst there I asked the service manager which oil he recommends for the 2.2 i-CTDI. He responded by offering to sell me a litre of Castrol Edge 0W-30 for £10. Pretty good I thought so might take him up on the offer...

[sw65]

Just topped up with Edge diesel 0-30; engine seems livelier

[alanwalne]

Now I am confused....

Bought 1 litre of oil for 'top ups' from the dealer and was sold Castrol SLX 0W - 30W.

Looked at my service invoice (from today) and the invoice quotes 4 litres 'Castrol Magnatec' (at £47 + VAT cost more than 4 litres of the SLX at £12.95 inc Vat).

[chee]

And just to confuse myself even more, I bought my Civic sport diesel from Arnold Clark in Manchester, asked them what oil they use - they said Texaco 5w-30....they said that all the Arnold Clark use Texaco oil but they dont sell small bottles for top up, they'll top up for you and charge for what they put in....find it bizarre as there were castrol stickers stuck inside the car....

[cb550]

Originally Posted by chee

And just to confuse myself even more, I bought my Civic sport diesel from Arnold Clark in Manchester, asked them what oil they use - they said Texaco 5w-30....they said that all the Arnold Clark use Texaco oil but they dont sell small bottles for top up, they'll top up for you and charge for what they put in....find it bizarre as there were castrol stickers stuck inside the car....

My 2.2 also has Castrol stickers.I would think they're stuck there at the factory as a Honda recomended product.Remember,any maker's engine oil meeting the Honda spec.as described in the owner's handbook will be suitable.I've recently topped up with castrol edge 0-w30

[DeanFYoung]

Just put in Castrol Edge 5W40 - about 1.5 litres to clear my oil level warning...

[FAL]

This is getting ridiculous. We need to sort it once and for all.
The confusion seems to be whether any diesel Civic now has a DPF as standard. The handbook is too vague, talking about cars with and cars without DPF and not clearly saying "since engine number....a DPF has been fitted to cars sold in the UK". Whether or not later cars have a DPF affects which oil spec is needed. Early cars clearly did not have a DPF. If none do still, the handbook should not imply some do.
The various grades in the handbook all have no upper ambient temperature limit so the deciding factor is how low a temp you are going to experience. 10w cut off is -20C and 5w cutoff is -25C. Anything lower and 0w required. Make should not matter as long as spec is same (my local dealer uses Elf).
That sorts the grade/make. We haven't confirmed which spec (see the handbook and the numbers eg. equivalent to Edge or Edge Turbo Diesel) and can't without knowing whether they now have a DPF. I asked a dealer this morning and they THINK a DPF is still not fitted for UK cars. I told them THINK doesn't cut it and they need to check with Honda UK.

[robbo51]

Castrol Edge 5W 40..My dealer supplied it!!

[FAL]

OK, the definitive Honda answer:
No OFFICIALLY-SUPPLIED Civic (note, this does not cover "grey imports") in the UK has ever been fitted with a DPF, nor are there any plans to fit one in the forseeable future.
Honda still do not explain why, in that case, the english (not american) language handbook mentions a DPF being fitted to some Civics.
That means the correct specification (grade is a separate issue) engine oil is to ACEA A1/B1, A3/B3, A5/B5.
Taking the Castrol example, that means Edge (with its additional additives) and not Edge Turbo Diesel (without those additives to avoid clogging the DPF).

For grades/makes, see earlier post. Honda clearly believe 0W-30 is correct for the UK, at least early in the car's life.
There is, too all intents, no upper ambient temperature limit for any of the grades listed in the handbook but I think I might worry a little if using the car to extremes in southern Europe in very high summer temperatures. However, as I'm sure has been mentioned, synthetics are not at the same risk of viscosity breakdown as old 30 and 40 grade oils used to be.
There is a lower ambient temperature limit (see handbook). If living in the north of the UK, or anywhere in Europe with more severe low temperatures, I would avoid 10W and think carefully about 5W.

[robbo51]

Originally Posted by FAL

OK, the definitive Honda answer:
No OFFICIALLY-SUPPLIED Civic (note, this does not cover "grey imports") in the UK has ever been fitted with a DPF, nor are there any plans to fit one in the forseeable future.
Honda still do not explain why, in that case, the english (not american) language handbook mentions a DPF being fitted to some Civics.
That means the correct specification (grade is a separate issue) engine oil is to ACEA A1/B1, A3/B3, A5/B5.
Taking the Castrol example, that means Edge (with its additional additives) and not Edge Turbo Diesel (without those additives to avoid clogging the DPF).

For grades/makes, see earlier post. Honda clearly believe 0W-30 is correct for the UK, at least early in the car's life.
There is, too all intents, no upper ambient temperature limit for any of the grades listed in the handbook but I think I might worry a little if using the car to extremes in southern Europe in very high summer temperatures. However, as I'm sure has been mentioned, synthetics are not at the same risk of viscosity breakdown as old 30 and 40 grade oils used to be.
There is a lower ambient temperature limit (see handbook). If living in the north of the UK, or anywhere in Europe with more severe low temperatures, I would avoid 10W and think carefully about 5W.

If my Honda dealer puts in Castrol Edge 5W -40 (on invoice)
Why would/should I put another spec in???
Please discuss

[Pottsy]

Originally Posted by robbo51

Please discuss

When replacing the oil I would suggest using the Honda spec 0W30, because it will be thinner and thus more energy efficient.


FAL - interesting point about using regular Edge (not TD) in non-DPF cars; this could save a little £. Even the Castrol website suggests Edge as an alternative for the non DPF cars.

[welly]

In my opinion it has to be 0w30 EDGE and not 0w30 EDGE TD. Why lose the advantage of all the additives if we have no DPF to block?

[Mr THX]

Asked my dealer today what oil I should use for 'top up' (Car went in for it's second service Friday) and he said it was Mobil 0-30..... Might try Halfords though as they are asking £16.90 for a ltr of it !!!

[robbo51]

Originally Posted by Pottsy

When replacing the oil I would suggest using the Honda spec 0W30, because it will be thinner and thus more energy efficient.


FAL - interesting point about using regular Edge (not TD) in non-DPF cars; this could save a little £. Even the Castrol website suggests Edge as an alternative for the non DPF cars.

So why has my dealer put in 5W -40???