Remap tuning the 2.2 i-ctdi

slave · 2nd December 2006, 20:36

my question is it possible to tune this engine to give 200 hp or it would need to change some parts of the engine and intercooler also ?
with the celtic remap i see that they are achieving 185 hp and what about the top speed anyone know before and after ?

best regards .....

Pottsy · 3rd December 2006, 08:58

Owing to the fact that wind resistance rises disproportionately quickly with speed, the top speed will not rise much. For a collection of theoretical performance figures, look here:

Theoretical performance figures

I strongly suspect that the tiny intercooler is going to be the limiting factor here. And the bore is that there is no space to make it bigger, without a huge amount of work to entirely reposition the whole thing at the front of the car. Injectors are normally the other limit, not sure if they are a factor with the Civ.

Other cruder diesels easily manage 100 bhp/litre (with their larger intercoolers) so I imagine the same would easily be possible if you could be bothered to hack the thing up and move it.

czechplastik · 3rd December 2006, 16:03

I don't think it would be worth the hassle, if you want that much power go for the type-r

4gotten · 4th December 2006, 14:17

I read on one polish forum that there is a slovakian Civic that was modified by polish tuner and now has 225 PS. When I get home later today I will post some pictures of diagrams and link to that forum (only in polish

). What I remeber is that IC had to be replaced because intake air temperature was reaching 120 C degrees.

slave · 4th December 2006, 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by czechplastik

I don't think it would be worth the hassle, if you want that much power go for the type-r

it´s my current car, an ep3, but i´m curious how much people can squeze this motor .
i maked a test drive in a i-ctdi and i felt the engine very smooth but the power it´s not even close of what i feel in my type-r, but chipped maybe it´s different .

czechplastik · 4th December 2006, 22:50

Yeah i wasn't having a go or anything! I'm curious too, but just seems like a costly and complicated option.

Jedi71 · 5th December 2006, 17:00

p-ower is bragging rights its Torque that counts !

czechplastik · 6th December 2006, 06:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedi71

p-ower is bragging rights its Torque that counts !

Quite correct, i presume you 'use the force'?

Tony Fendall · 6th December 2006, 23:45

I would not be in a hurry to up the power of the diesel, with a few instances of main bearings breaking up.
Tony

Top Gun · 7th December 2006, 08:11

Tony -

An interesting comment. Are you connected with Honda or a dealer? Just wondering how you know about main bearings breaking up.

Thanks!

TG

Tony Fendall · 7th December 2006, 09:29

I think it was in Civinfo.
The number affected was very few, but it's torque that loads up main bearings and I would not recommend increasing it.
Regards
Tony

Top Gun · 7th December 2006, 14:25

Tony -

Only mention of main bearings here on Civinfo, after a search, is within our short exchange. Sure you didn't read about bearing failure in Worriers' Weekly'?

TG

misterpro · 7th December 2006, 17:08

4gotten, have you forgotten to post the info? Kinda looking forward to it really.

Tony Fendall · 7th December 2006, 21:33

Top Gun,
It don't worry me a bit, I drive a petrol 1.8.
Now you question me, I think it may have been in Auto Express about a few engine failures; Accord and Civic.
Regards
Tony

IWANTACIVIC · 8th December 2006, 04:54

Ive been told by a tuning company near me that 195 is the max with no mods , the owners done it to his civic as says after testing the pressures etc sees no real danger to anywere turbo drivetrain etc was good 6 mouths ago it was tuned ok last time i spoke to him, we just to keep a eye on pottsy and others thats remaped there civic to see if any problems crop up , yer ic is tiny compared to other powefull oil burners, if you drive your civic not at 100% all the time should be ok we hope.also crap place for the ic i think in line with all the muck and stones from wheels.

DutchCivicFreak · 20th December 2006, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by IWANTACIVIC

Ive been told by a tuning company near me that 195 is the max with no mods , the owners done it to his civic as says after testing the pressures etc sees no real danger to anywere turbo drivetrain etc was good 6 mouths ago it was tuned ok last time i spoke to him, we just to keep a eye on pottsy and others thats remaped there civic to see if any problems crop up , yer ic is tiny compared to other powefull oil burners, if you drive your civic not at 100% all the time should be ok we hope.also crap place for the ic i think in line with all the muck and stones from wheels.

Which tuning company was that? any website available?

IWANTACIVIC · 20th December 2006, 23:15

Lots on here , shiretuning there called ill find there addy its in our list of tuners look in the more power for your cdti topics few on here got 170-185 remaps done .

4gotten · 4th January 2007, 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterpro

4gotten, have you forgotten to post the info? Kinda looking forward to it really.

Forgive me, please see attached link to that forum (polish language only) http://forum.tdi-tuning.pl/viewtopic.php?t=3101

misterpro · 7th January 2007, 03:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4gotten

Forgive me, please see attached link to that forum (polish language only) http://forum.tdi-tuning.pl/viewtopic.php?t=3101

Thanks

necromant · 14th January 2007, 17:47

can anyone translate the polish text??
i understand nothing

2nd December 2006, 20:36	#1 (permalink)
slave Valve Cap Join Date: 13th November 2006 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	tuning the 2.2 i-ctdi my question is it possible to tune this engine to give 200 hp or it would need to change some parts of the engine and intercooler also ? with the celtic remap i see that they are achieving 185 hp and what about the top speed anyone know before and after ? best regards .....

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4gotten Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 16th August 2006 Location: Stargard Szczecinski, Poland Posts: 111 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	225 PS from Civic diesel I read on one polish forum that there is a slovakian Civic that was modified by polish tuner and now has 225 PS. When I get home later today I will post some pictures of diagrams and link to that forum (only in polish ). What I remeber is that IC had to be replaced because intake air temperature was reaching 120 C degrees.

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Jedi71 Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 23rd October 2006 Location: Surrey Posts: 112 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Reply p-ower is bragging rights its Torque that counts !

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3rd December 2006, 08:58	#2 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,472 Thanks: 22 Thanked 166 Times in 97 Posts iTrader: (0)	Owing to the fact that wind resistance rises disproportionately quickly with speed, the top speed will not rise much. For a collection of theoretical performance figures, look here: Theoretical performance figures I strongly suspect that the tiny intercooler is going to be the limiting factor here. And the bore is that there is no space to make it bigger, without a huge amount of work to entirely reposition the whole thing at the front of the car. Injectors are normally the other limit, not sure if they are a factor with the Civ. Other cruder diesels easily manage 100 bhp/litre (with their larger intercoolers) so I imagine the same would easily be possible if you could be bothered to hack the thing up and move it.

3rd December 2006, 16:03	#3 (permalink)
czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,672 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	I don't think it would be worth the hassle, if you want that much power go for the type-r

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czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,672 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Yeah i wasn't having a go or anything! I'm curious too, but just seems like a costly and complicated option.

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Tony Fendall Old enough to know better Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 12th August 2006 Location: Basingstoke Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I would not be in a hurry to up the power of the diesel, with a few instances of main bearings breaking up. Tony

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Top Gun Valve Cap Join Date: 27th November 2006 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Tony - An interesting comment. Are you connected with Honda or a dealer? Just wondering how you know about main bearings breaking up. Thanks! TG

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Tony Fendall Old enough to know better Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 12th August 2006 Location: Basingstoke Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I think it was in Civinfo. The number affected was very few, but it's torque that loads up main bearings and I would not recommend increasing it. Regards Tony

7th December 2006, 14:25	#12 (permalink)
Top Gun Valve Cap Join Date: 27th November 2006 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Tony - Only mention of main bearings here on Civinfo, after a search, is within our short exchange. Sure you didn't read about bearing failure in Worriers' Weekly'? TG

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misterpro Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 25th September 2006 Location: Flanders, Belgium Posts: 123 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	4gotten, have you forgotten to post the info? Kinda looking forward to it really.

7th December 2006, 21:33	#14 (permalink)
Tony Fendall Old enough to know better Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 12th August 2006 Location: Basingstoke Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Top Gun, It don't worry me a bit, I drive a petrol 1.8. Now you question me, I think it may have been in Auto Express about a few engine failures; Accord and Civic. Regards Tony

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IWANTACIVIC Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 16th September 2006 Location: LINCS UK Posts: 658 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Ive been told by a tuning company near me that 195 is the max with no mods , the owners done it to his civic as says after testing the pressures etc sees no real danger to anywere turbo drivetrain etc was good 6 mouths ago it was tuned ok last time i spoke to him, we just to keep a eye on pottsy and others thats remaped there civic to see if any problems crop up , yer ic is tiny compared to other powefull oil burners, if you drive your civic not at 100% all the time should be ok we hope.also crap place for the ic i think in line with all the muck and stones from wheels.

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IWANTACIVIC Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 16th September 2006 Location: LINCS UK Posts: 658 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Lots on here , shiretuning there called ill find there addy its in our list of tuners look in the more power for your cdti topics few on here got 170-185 remaps done .

14th January 2007, 17:47	#20 (permalink)
necromant Valve Cap Join Date: 6th October 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	can anyone translate the polish text?? i understand nothing