Indications Engine Warning Light & System Check Message (coolant sensor)

predatorean · 10th September 2009, 14:14

For the first time my Civic has decided to grace me with an uber-fault! This morning my Engine warning light came on along with my system check message. Went to Peterborough Honda to get them to plug the old girl in and see what was the problem; They said my coolant sensor was knackered but due to some corrosion issues i would need............A WHOLE NEW ENGINE LOOM!!! Well, they kindly told me the loom would be a whopping £1400 not including labour! My Civic is not even 4 years old and I need to get a new engine loom?! Ruined my day for sure! I am just waiting to hear back from Peterborough Honda as they said that Honda will often cover large issues like this if the car is within a year of the warranty running out but i may have to pay for labour. All-in I would be looking at about £2000 if i had to pay for it all - not a happy shopper today!!

Anyone else had any issues like this and if so what did Honda do about it for you?

I'll try and update this post if/when Honda get back to me!

FWH · 10th September 2009, 14:23

Go to another dealer for a second opinion, I would say.

Pottsy · 10th September 2009, 14:26

Can you get them to show you where the "corrosion issues" are?
Can you then photograph the "corrosion issue"?

£1 says it's a £100 repair to some wires that have been damaged by coolant from a faulty/leaky sensor. Some main dealers are not tuned in to repairs - they just swap out faulty parts. And in this case the part is huge.

I would also take the car somewhere else, for a second or third opinion.

Timbo · 10th September 2009, 14:30

I agree. Maybe take it to a good auto-electrician who can repair the damaged part of the loom rather than replacing the whole thing. That is a big bill!

predatorean · 10th September 2009, 14:44

Just heard back, they said Honda won't pay for a new loom, however, they are sending a specialist part to repair the connection and so a new loom wont be needed (WHEWWWWW!) I dont have to pay for the part they are sending, just the new sensor and labour, gonna cost about 190 sheets - better than 2 grand but still a slight kick in the jacobs

Pottsy · 10th September 2009, 14:53

What's the part number? A photo of the damage would still be fascinating.

I wonder whether the damage to the loom was done over time, or when it was at the dealer...

There's a rat-like pong around.

pcr · 10th September 2009, 14:55

I've never heard such a load of codswallop, no way should that cost more than £100 to repair. Take the car to an auto-electrian, or anywhere but the dealers.

Timbo · 10th September 2009, 14:56

I agree - the car's out of warranty anyway!

Pottsy · 10th September 2009, 15:01

Shall we have guesses on the "specialist part"?

Or maybe

Pottsy · 10th September 2009, 15:02

Or

Timbo · 10th September 2009, 15:05

Lol

predatorean · 10th September 2009, 15:06

Well theres no way I would have paid all that wanga for a new loom - I was raging! As it turns out, I am not paying for the repair just a new sensor which has gone tits-up and caused the error fault. If they had said i would definately need a new loom i would have gone to Kettering Honda who are awesome but are little further away from me, and i would have got a second opinion from them. I only went to Peterborough as i didnt know how serious the fault was and didnt want to drive too far just in case.
I will try and get photos of the damage if i can and post up for everyone

predatorean · 10th September 2009, 15:08

MINT POTTSY!!!

pcr · 10th September 2009, 15:12

Photos would be most useful for the forum as this came up previously.

predatorean · 10th September 2009, 15:32

Will do my best

shenava · 10th September 2009, 20:10

I had the same coolant sensor fault on my car in July and I remember seeing a guy on here say he had one just last month and now you. Seems to be a bit too frequent to be an isolated incident. Mines was changed under warranty.

predatorean · 10th September 2009, 20:53

Yep, unfortunately my girl is a first batch Civic and will be 4 in December so I'm out of the warranty window. Aaah well, at least it is getting sorted by them and i don't have to pay for a new loom eh!

Martin252 · 11th September 2009, 14:45

Hi Guys

My wife had the Check System (Engine) Warning Light come on the multi-information display whilst driving. She took it straight to Honda Dealership who reset the warning message. Updated the ECU and said if it happens again the rad temperature sensor will need replacing.

On the way home a different warning light came on - the Oil Pressure Low warning. She stopped turned the car off and checked the oil. All ok. Restarted the car and the oil warning disappeared. A few minutes later the original fault Check System (Engine) Warning Light came back on and has stayed on.

Will be taking back to Honda Dealership asap - has anyone else had this problem and been told it is the rad temperature sensor?

Cheers

Martin

pcr · 11th September 2009, 15:58

This thread may help.
http://www.civinfo.com/forum/engines...k-message.html

robbo51 · 11th September 2009, 16:23

Mine has 'overfuelled' and cut out completely a couple of times due to over revving it.
But a 'reset' as described in the manual soon turns the ECU light off

10th September 2009, 14:14	#1 (permalink)
predatorean Car: 2005 1.8 ES Nighthawk Black Join Date: 12th September 2008 Location: Peterborough, UK Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Engine Warning Light & System Check Message (coolant sensor) For the first time my Civic has decided to grace me with an uber-fault! This morning my Engine warning light came on along with my system check message. Went to Peterborough Honda to get them to plug the old girl in and see what was the problem; They said my coolant sensor was knackered but due to some corrosion issues i would need............A WHOLE NEW ENGINE LOOM!!! Well, they kindly told me the loom would be a whopping £1400 not including labour! My Civic is not even 4 years old and I need to get a new engine loom?! Ruined my day for sure! I am just waiting to hear back from Peterborough Honda as they said that Honda will often cover large issues like this if the car is within a year of the warranty running out but i may have to pay for labour. All-in I would be looking at about £2000 if i had to pay for it all - not a happy shopper today!! Anyone else had any issues like this and if so what did Honda do about it for you? I'll try and update this post if/when Honda get back to me!

11th September 2009, 14:45	#18 (permalink)
Martin252 Join Date: 28th October 2006 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Check System (Engine) Warning Light On Hi Guys My wife had the Check System (Engine) Warning Light come on the multi-information display whilst driving. She took it straight to Honda Dealership who reset the warning message. Updated the ECU and said if it happens again the rad temperature sensor will need replacing. On the way home a different warning light came on - the Oil Pressure Low warning. She stopped turned the car off and checked the oil. All ok. Restarted the car and the oil warning disappeared. A few minutes later the original fault Check System (Engine) Warning Light came back on and has stayed on. Will be taking back to Honda Dealership asap - has anyone else had this problem and been told it is the rad temperature sensor? Cheers Martin

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10th September 2009, 14:23	#2 (permalink)
FWH Super Moderator Car: 07 1,8 Executive 5 door NHB Join Date: 3rd June 2007 Location: Where Polar Bears roam the streets Posts: 13,148 Thanks: 142 Thanked 344 Times in 295 Posts iTrader: (0)	Go to another dealer for a second opinion, I would say.

10th September 2009, 14:26	#3 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Car: Merc E220 Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 9,346 Thanks: 88 Thanked 1,010 Times in 432 Posts iTrader: (0)	Can you get them to show you where the "corrosion issues" are? Can you then photograph the "corrosion issue"? £1 says it's a £100 repair to some wires that have been damaged by coolant from a faulty/leaky sensor. Some main dealers are not tuned in to repairs - they just swap out faulty parts. And in this case the part is huge. I would also take the car somewhere else, for a second or third opinion.

10th September 2009, 14:30	#4 (permalink)
Timbo Supporter Car: 2008 CTR GT, NHB Join Date: 26th August 2009 Location: Banbury, UK Posts: 163 Thanks: 39 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts iTrader: (0)	I agree. Maybe take it to a good auto-electrician who can repair the damaged part of the loom rather than replacing the whole thing. That is a big bill!

10th September 2009, 14:44	#5 (permalink)
predatorean Thread starter Car: 2005 1.8 ES Nighthawk Black Join Date: 12th September 2008 Location: Peterborough, UK Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Just heard back, they said Honda won't pay for a new loom, however, they are sending a specialist part to repair the connection and so a new loom wont be needed (WHEWWWWW!) I dont have to pay for the part they are sending, just the new sensor and labour, gonna cost about 190 sheets - better than 2 grand but still a slight kick in the jacobs

10th September 2009, 14:53	#6 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Car: Merc E220 Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 9,346 Thanks: 88 Thanked 1,010 Times in 432 Posts iTrader: (0)	What's the part number? A photo of the damage would still be fascinating. I wonder whether the damage to the loom was done over time, or when it was at the dealer... There's a rat-like pong around.

10th September 2009, 14:55	#7 (permalink)
pcr Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 1,168 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts iTrader: (0)	I've never heard such a load of codswallop, no way should that cost more than £100 to repair. Take the car to an auto-electrian, or anywhere but the dealers.

10th September 2009, 14:56	#8 (permalink)
Timbo Supporter Car: 2008 CTR GT, NHB Join Date: 26th August 2009 Location: Banbury, UK Posts: 163 Thanks: 39 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts iTrader: (0)	I agree - the car's out of warranty anyway!

10th September 2009, 15:01	#9 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Car: Merc E220 Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 9,346 Thanks: 88 Thanked 1,010 Times in 432 Posts iTrader: (0)	Shall we have guesses on the "specialist part"? Or maybe

10th September 2009, 15:02	#10 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Car: Merc E220 Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 9,346 Thanks: 88 Thanked 1,010 Times in 432 Posts iTrader: (0)	Or

10th September 2009, 15:05	#11 (permalink)
Timbo Supporter Car: 2008 CTR GT, NHB Join Date: 26th August 2009 Location: Banbury, UK Posts: 163 Thanks: 39 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts iTrader: (0)	Lol

10th September 2009, 15:06	#12 (permalink)
predatorean Thread starter Car: 2005 1.8 ES Nighthawk Black Join Date: 12th September 2008 Location: Peterborough, UK Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Well theres no way I would have paid all that wanga for a new loom - I was raging! As it turns out, I am not paying for the repair just a new sensor which has gone tits-up and caused the error fault. If they had said i would definately need a new loom i would have gone to Kettering Honda who are awesome but are little further away from me, and i would have got a second opinion from them. I only went to Peterborough as i didnt know how serious the fault was and didnt want to drive too far just in case. I will try and get photos of the damage if i can and post up for everyone

10th September 2009, 15:08	#13 (permalink)
predatorean Thread starter Car: 2005 1.8 ES Nighthawk Black Join Date: 12th September 2008 Location: Peterborough, UK Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	MINT POTTSY!!!

10th September 2009, 15:12	#14 (permalink)
pcr Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 1,168 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts iTrader: (0)	Photos would be most useful for the forum as this came up previously.

10th September 2009, 15:32	#15 (permalink)
predatorean Thread starter Car: 2005 1.8 ES Nighthawk Black Join Date: 12th September 2008 Location: Peterborough, UK Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Will do my best

10th September 2009, 20:10	#16 (permalink)
shenava Join Date: 20th May 2007 Posts: 25 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	I had the same coolant sensor fault on my car in July and I remember seeing a guy on here say he had one just last month and now you. Seems to be a bit too frequent to be an isolated incident. Mines was changed under warranty.

10th September 2009, 20:53	#17 (permalink)
predatorean Thread starter Car: 2005 1.8 ES Nighthawk Black Join Date: 12th September 2008 Location: Peterborough, UK Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Yep, unfortunately my girl is a first batch Civic and will be 4 in December so I'm out of the warranty window. Aaah well, at least it is getting sorted by them and i don't have to pay for a new loom eh!

11th September 2009, 15:58	#19 (permalink)
pcr Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 1,168 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts iTrader: (0)	This thread may help. http://www.civinfo.com/forum/engines...k-message.html

11th September 2009, 16:23	#20 (permalink)
robbo51 www.civgone.com Car: Civic Type S GT (Now Sold) Join Date: 1st July 2007 Location: God's own county Posts: 8,933 Thanks: 388 Thanked 409 Times in 392 Posts iTrader: (6)	Mine has 'overfuelled' and cut out completely a couple of times due to over revving it. But a 'reset' as described in the manual soon turns the ECU light off