Transmission i Shift change - new software - Page 20

Foggy69 · 7th December 2007, 15:15

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Originally Posted by Kremmen

I think the various perceptions are based on previous experiences.

In my case I have come from a very good autobox that was almost like having one gear, you never knew it had changed. When you did need kickdown, that was also very quick and at no point did you ever lose power.

I think that the ones that are happy probably live in areas that don't require 'demanding' driving or perhaps have never owned a good conventional auto.

I have no problem understanding that a fair number are extremely happy with their i-shift, even the 06 variants, but what does surprise me is the comments that indicate that those of us who are not happy "are wrong".

None of us are "wrong" we just have different opinions.

I think Honda are having their work cut out because they have adopted a single clutch system. To avoid patents maybe develop a triple clutch system

You could be on to something.
The only proper auto car I have driven for any length of time was a Vauxhall Astra from a few years ago. It was a hateful car to drive and the box wound me up something rotten. It was always on the brink of changing gear, but never when I wanted it too. It was very slow to kick down and just very slow in all other respects. Otherwise, I have driven a manual car or one with a semi automatic type box.This means that I am in the habit of having the car in the right gear for roundabouts.
I drive the Civic mainly in manual mode anyway, and only leave it in auto when I am in a traffic jam or when pottering to or from work in the early hours when I just want to take things easy

If you have driven a car with a good auto box, then getting in the habit of remembering you have a gearbox that needs help, and won't work well if you leave it to it's own devices, is a very difficult one to get into. Especially if you have always driven an automatic and was expecting the Civic to be a normal one.

But I know I would rather drive an i-shift, with all it's quirks, than a car with a c**p auto box any time
I hope I haven't given the impression that those of you who are not happy "are wrong", but I sometimes get the impression that those of us who get on with the box are considered wrong for liking what some people consider a dreadful bit of kit. But then, as you say, each to their own. If we all agreed on everything, everybody would be driving a vivid blue Civic Type S 1.8 i-vtec with i-shift. And that would mean that mine wouldn't be quite as special a car to me

PS, If Honda do read this thread, another vote for a triple clutch system

ecs43x · 10th December 2007, 23:25

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Originally Posted by Brodick

Roscobbc

Your post seems to be refering to more than your own car
(if it's not then I am sorry - but it can read that way)

I am going to say it again OUR CIVIC IS NOT DANGEROUS
we have a fully automatic CR-v and the Civic with it's i-shift
and they are both good cars to drive no problems

I am sorry that you and a few others seem to be having some problems
and hope these will soon be sorted

Hum, not dangerous

You didn't have the experience I had. Gearbox hesitation with the car in the midle of the road and the car coming on the left could stop just a few cm's from my door car ! Are you sure this isn't dangerous. Of course IT IS DANGEROUS. May be next time I didn't have the few cm's I had this time ! When you nether where in the dangerous condition some of us had, don't cry that it is not dangerous and accept driver experiences about how dangerous it was for them.

Other wrote we have to change our driving style !. If I understand, it is suggested to use higher rpm to correct a car problem and of course, this will use more benzine and increase CO2 and make the drive more sport but this kind of sportly drive isn't adapted for me due to an handicap ( after an accident with an other Honda civic )

Brodick · 10th December 2007, 23:34

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Originally Posted by ecs43x

Hum, not dangerous

You didn't have the experience I had. Gearbox hesitation with the car in the midle of the road and the car coming on the left could stop just a few cm's from my door car ! Are you sure this isn't dangerous. Of course it is.

Other wrote we have to change our driving style !. If I understand, it is suggested to use higher rpm to correct a car problem and of course, this will use more benzine and increase CO2 and make the drive more sport but this kind of sportly drive isn't adapted for me due to an handicap ( after an accident with an other Honda civic )

Please read my previous posts carefully

It does seem that there are a few cars with i-shift boxes that are having problems - i-shift is not perfect but it still does a good job considering what it is most i-shift owners on here are more than happy with their cars
and I would think that most i-shift owners who are not on here are more than happy aswell or we would have been reading some horror stories in the national press

If you feel your car is dangerous then there must be a fault with your car

ecs43x · 11th December 2007, 00:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brodick

Please read my previous posts carefully

It does seem that there are a few cars with i-shift boxes that are having problems - i-shift is not perfect but it still does a good job considering what it is most i-shift owners on here are more than happy with their cars
and I would think that most i-shift owners who are not on here are more than happy aswell or we would have been reading some horror stories in the national press

If you feel your car is dangerous then there must be a fault with your car

My dealer and Honda France told me that the car works as design and this problem is known from them and is like the gear program works. From this, I undersand that the problem is more general as you wrote.

I'm waiting since a long time on this upgrade. With my previous car, I did about 15000km per year and now, I have just 15000 after more than 20 months ! I affraied to drive a lot with this car.
More strange is that the engin stalled a few time since I have the car and this in an ascending output from a parking with an automatic door at the top of this short ascending road (cold engine) !

May be those driving the car nervously haven't got the problem
because they use high rpm.

Doubtingthomas · 11th December 2007, 07:52

Following on from the post ahead, yesterday, my 57 i-shift stalled whilst I was leaving my local Tesco. I was travelling slowly in a line of traffic approaching a very busy gyratory system. I delayed the cars behind me as I re started the car. Earlier in the day the engine almost stalled after being parked for a couple of hours. The weather has been colder of late. I am wondering whether the 'tick over' speed needs adjusting. I think I shall be contacting my dealer sooner rather than later.

Any other i-shift owners experienced engine stall? If so was it reported to the dealer and the response, please.

BOBBYJ · 16th December 2007, 22:03

A very BIG thanks to Bexhill Honda who took my car in and loaned me their I-shift demonstrator until such time as the manufacturer determined to do something about a potentially dangerous situation.

Well it happened and Honda (UK), I think out of shame, finally decided to reprogram the gearbox and low and behold - you've guessed it, what a difference!!! My car now purrs away in auto with no hesitation at roundabouts, junctions and following deceleration. Of equal importance, is that the gearchanges are very much smoother and you can actually feel the car changing down when approaching roundabouts and at all times you are aware that the gearbox remains engaged.

To those who are awaiting the reprogramming I really hope you will appreciate the tremendous difference this makes.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread it has been most helpful.

Korkut Varol · 16th December 2007, 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOBBYJ

A very BIG thanks to Bexhill Honda who took my car in and loaned me their I-shift demonstrator until such time as the manufacturer determined to do something about a potentially dangerous situation.

Well it happened and Honda (UK), I think out of shame, finally decided to reprogram the gearbox and low and behold - you've guessed it, what a difference!!! My car now purrs away in auto with no hesitation at roundabouts, junctions and following deceleration. Of equal importance, is that the gearchanges are very much smoother and you can actually feel the car changing down when approaching roundabouts and at all times you are aware that the gearbox remains engaged.

To those who are awaiting the reprogramming I really hope you will appreciate the tremendous difference this makes.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread it has been most helpful.

Hmmm.. I hope the reprogramming recall is soon to be made here too...

Doubtingthomas · 16th December 2007, 22:46

Pleased for you BOBBYJ. Well done.

DreamerDave · 17th December 2007, 00:24

Very interesting thread guys.
I had a latest i-shift (57 plate Oct 07) on loan for 2 days last month and gave it the full beans during its road test.

Paddle shift - Excellent, no problems whatsoever under any circumstances (full throttle, roundabouts, junctions etc).
Overall great fun and very smooth when using a slightly feathered throttle on upshifts (no hardship).

Full auto - A little hesitation on 1/2/3 changes, up or down, throttle feathering helped again.

As many have posted everyone needs to accept that semi-auto's are not auto's - even DSG's.

Word of warning on DSG's - 3k rebuilds are becoming prevalent for those that use them like auto's - no free lunch with these systems and DSG's are VERY complex beasts - Honda have steered a middle ground which may be sensible, especially to the civic buyer in 3 years time!!

Good debate - very interesting.

jazzman · 17th December 2007, 09:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOBBYJ

A very BIG thanks to Bexhill Honda who took my car in and loaned me their I-shift demonstrator until such time as the manufacturer determined to do something about a potentially dangerous situation.

Well it happened and Honda (UK), I think out of shame, finally decided to reprogram the gearbox and low and behold - you've guessed it, what a difference!!! My car now purrs away in auto with no hesitation at roundabouts, junctions and following deceleration. Of equal importance, is that the gearchanges are very much smoother and you can actually feel the car changing down when approaching roundabouts and at all times you are aware that the gearbox remains engaged.

To those who are awaiting the reprogramming I really hope you will appreciate the tremendous difference this makes.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread it has been most helpful.

Great result Bobby now you can appreciate how good it is.

Fredsays · 17th December 2007, 09:26

I am bit confused here. Honda upgraded the i-shift in Dec 06 or Jan 07 so is there a further upgrade in progress or are we talking about upgrading the older cars that didn't get the original upgrade. Bobby mentions a 2007 but I believe they went on sale from Sept 06 or thereabouts.

Doubtingthomas · 17th December 2007, 09:48

Hi Fred,

As far as I am aware, Honda UK intend to upgrade "06" and "56" i-shifts, that were an '06' model, ie all i-shifts with '06' in the Vin/chassis number. That is my understanding. If I am wrong no doubt some kind person will put me right (and quite rightly so). Yes, confusing. It is the older cars that didn't get the original upgrade, I think, that the upgrade will apply to.

BOBBYJ · 17th December 2007, 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredsays

I am bit confused here. Honda upgraded the i-shift in Dec 06 or Jan 07 so is there a further upgrade in progress or are we talking about upgrading the older cars that didn't get the original upgrade. Bobby mentions a 2007 but I believe they went on sale from Sept 06 or thereabouts.

Fred yes you are correct - my car is registered in 2007 but on a '56 plate and therefore is considered one of the 'older' models. It was held at the dealership for 3 months and as its manufacture was prior Dec 06 it wasn't included in the original upgrade - straight from the Honda's mouth!

Update - try as I may I cannot get her to hesitate b****y marvellous and she now fulfills all her promises.

jazzman · 17th December 2007, 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredsays

I am bit confused here. Honda upgraded the i-shift in Dec 06 or Jan 07 so is there a further upgrade in progress or are we talking about upgrading the older cars that didn't get the original upgrade. Bobby mentions a 2007 but I believe they went on sale from Sept 06 or thereabouts.

I took delivery of mine early May 2007 which is roughly when the upgraded cars started to come in from the factory so anything much before then had not had the upgrade so I think any talk of further upgrade refers to the earlier cars that have`nt had the upgrade

Kremmen · 17th December 2007, 15:57

The upgraded ones started to appear early March - either that or me / Honda / DVLA are going to have fisticuffs over my tax disc price

Doubtingthomas · 17th December 2007, 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kremmen

The upgraded ones started to appear early March - either that or me / Honda / DVLA are going to have fisticuffs over my tax disc price

Mmmmm,
Yes, my ES i-shift was registered late September, 2007. It is in band D and I paid the going rate - £140.00 for twelve months. I see the Honda Civic Brochure puts the car in Band C with Co2 emissions of 149 (printed prior to upgrade). Band D covers 151-165 Co2 emissions. We have had this mentioned before, but it will be interesting to see if and how DVLA become aware of the upgraded i-shifts. The Honda Civic brochure shows you should already be in Band D with your EX. (153 Co2 emissions). My understanding is that the upgrade increases Co2 insignificantly but in the case of an ES i-shift just enough to place it in the higher banding. Schucks! If you are in Band C good luck to you!

eyemdee · 17th December 2007, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kremmen

The upgraded ones started to appear early March - either that or me / Honda / DVLA are going to have fisticuffs over my tax disc price

I think I read somewhere that all 07 reg cars, i.e registered after 1st March 2007, have the remapped transmission, 06 and 56 reg's will benefit from the the upgrade. There was some talk of recalling unsold vehicles back to Swindon if they were to be registered after March 1st and had not had the remapped transmission.

Brodick · 17th December 2007, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kremmen

The upgraded ones started to appear early March - either that or me / Honda / DVLA are going to have fisticuffs over my tax disc price

Why - what price is on your current tax disc???

ecs43x · 17th December 2007, 19:39

What a nice news to read that the new code is well working.
Of course, the code for the 2006 is different from the one of 2007 and CO2 as well l/kmh are the same due to europeen homologation. That was why the 07 code couldn't be put in the 06 i-shift models.

Please Mr Honda, make it very quickly available in France too....

Terry-James. · 17th December 2007, 20:24

I must admit, I hated the thing when I took delivery in Dec 06. Couldn`t believe that b....... gearchange. At times I did regard it as dangerous especially when overtalking and it hesitated, making it`s mind up what to do. But as the time went on I realised that it had some agreeable advantages. A lower road tax, very good petrol consumption plus the comforts of Honda Happy etc.. However, I took it in for its first service in early December and Lo! it is a different beast. It certainly is perkier, not hesitant in the gears now and can get me away at the lights with everybody else. The weather is colder, I`m having to do short runs and it`s going well. But have I lost an advantage ? My fuel consumption has dropped away markedly and I haven`t the slightest doubt that the emmissions are up. I think I`ll enjoy it while I can and ask for the old chip back when the authorities catch up with me. Terry-James

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BOBBYJ Valve Cap Join Date: 27th September 2007 Location: South east - where else Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Peace at Last!! A very BIG thanks to Bexhill Honda who took my car in and loaned me their I-shift demonstrator until such time as the manufacturer determined to do something about a potentially dangerous situation. Well it happened and Honda (UK), I think out of shame, finally decided to reprogram the gearbox and low and behold - you've guessed it, what a difference!!! My car now purrs away in auto with no hesitation at roundabouts, junctions and following deceleration. Of equal importance, is that the gearchanges are very much smoother and you can actually feel the car changing down when approaching roundabouts and at all times you are aware that the gearbox remains engaged. To those who are awaiting the reprogramming I really hope you will appreciate the tremendous difference this makes. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread it has been most helpful. Last edited by BOBBYJ; 16th December 2007 at 22:04. Reason: missing word

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DreamerDave Valve Cap Join Date: 16th December 2007 Location: East Yorkshire, UK Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Full road test -i-shift October model Very interesting thread guys. I had a latest i-shift (57 plate Oct 07) on loan for 2 days last month and gave it the full beans during its road test. Paddle shift - Excellent, no problems whatsoever under any circumstances (full throttle, roundabouts, junctions etc). Overall great fun and very smooth when using a slightly feathered throttle on upshifts (no hardship). Full auto - A little hesitation on 1/2/3 changes, up or down, throttle feathering helped again. As many have posted everyone needs to accept that semi-auto's are not auto's - even DSG's. Word of warning on DSG's - 3k rebuilds are becoming prevalent for those that use them like auto's - no free lunch with these systems and DSG's are VERY complex beasts - Honda have steered a middle ground which may be sensible, especially to the civic buyer in 3 years time!! Good debate - very interesting.

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Doubtingthomas Honda aficionado Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 14th August 2007 Location: Chorley, Lancashire Posts: 653 Thanks: 12 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hi Fred, As far as I am aware, Honda UK intend to upgrade "06" and "56" i-shifts, that were an '06' model, ie all i-shifts with '06' in the Vin/chassis number. That is my understanding. If I am wrong no doubt some kind person will put me right (and quite rightly so). Yes, confusing. It is the older cars that didn't get the original upgrade, I think, that the upgrade will apply to. Last edited by Doubtingthomas; 17th December 2007 at 09:51.

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Terry-James. Valve Cap Join Date: 26th July 2007 Posts: 7 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Civic Gearchange. I must admit, I hated the thing when I took delivery in Dec 06. Couldn`t believe that b....... gearchange. At times I did regard it as dangerous especially when overtalking and it hesitated, making it`s mind up what to do. But as the time went on I realised that it had some agreeable advantages. A lower road tax, very good petrol consumption plus the comforts of Honda Happy etc.. However, I took it in for its first service in early December and Lo! it is a different beast. It certainly is perkier, not hesitant in the gears now and can get me away at the lights with everybody else. The weather is colder, I`m having to do short runs and it`s going well. But have I lost an advantage ? My fuel consumption has dropped away markedly and I haven`t the slightest doubt that the emmissions are up. I think I`ll enjoy it while I can and ask for the old chip back when the authorities catch up with me. Terry-James


This thread is about: i Shift change - new software, it's in Engines and Transmission at the Honda Civic forum Civinfo; Originally Posted by Kremmen I think the various perceptions are based on previous experiences. In my case I have come from a very good autobox ...

11th December 2007, 07:52	#385 (permalink)
Doubtingthomas Honda aficionado Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 14th August 2007 Location: Chorley, Lancashire Posts: 653 Thanks: 12 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts iTrader: (0)	Following on from the post ahead, yesterday, my 57 i-shift stalled whilst I was leaving my local Tesco. I was travelling slowly in a line of traffic approaching a very busy gyratory system. I delayed the cars behind me as I re started the car. Earlier in the day the engine almost stalled after being parked for a couple of hours. The weather has been colder of late. I am wondering whether the 'tick over' speed needs adjusting. I think I shall be contacting my dealer sooner rather than later. Any other i-shift owners experienced engine stall? If so was it reported to the dealer and the response, please.

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Doubtingthomas Honda aficionado Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 14th August 2007 Location: Chorley, Lancashire Posts: 653 Thanks: 12 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts iTrader: (0)	Pleased for you BOBBYJ. Well done.

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Fredsays Valve Cap Join Date: 8th February 2007 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I am bit confused here. Honda upgraded the i-shift in Dec 06 or Jan 07 so is there a further upgrade in progress or are we talking about upgrading the older cars that didn't get the original upgrade. Bobby mentions a 2007 but I believe they went on sale from Sept 06 or thereabouts.

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Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,825 Thanks: 13 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts iTrader: (0)	The upgraded ones started to appear early March - either that or me / Honda / DVLA are going to have fisticuffs over my tax disc price

17th December 2007, 19:39	#399 (permalink)
ecs43x Valve Cap Join Date: 8th October 2007 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	What a nice news to read that the new code is well working. Of course, the code for the 2006 is different from the one of 2007 and CO2 as well l/kmh are the same due to europeen homologation. That was why the 07 code couldn't be put in the 06 i-shift models. Please Mr Honda, make it very quickly available in France too....