Transmission i Shift change - new software

[mihael]

No i haven't been back to dealer yet as they only had customers cars in to deliver so no chance to drive one of them and I'm sorry if I'm going over the same thing ,but having spent £20500 six months ago and now find a system mod that on the forum seams to be saying is a big improvement to the gear changes ,then i think i am quite understandable very very annoyed that honda are not retrofitting the fix or coming up with a solution for the already registered cars

[Brodick]

Originally Posted by mihael

No i haven't been back to dealer yet as they only had customers cars in to deliver so no chance to drive one of them and I'm sorry if I'm going over the same thing ,but having spent £20500 six months ago and now find a system mod that on the forum seams to be saying is a big improvement to the gear changes ,then i think i am quite understandable very very annoyed that honda are not retrofitting the fix or coming up with a solution for the already registered cars

Sorry but manufacturers make mods to their car a lot some minor some
major for those about to get a car it is good news for those with the car already its a cas of tough luck - Honda are by no means alone in doing this

So I can only suggest that you press your dealer if you think there is somthing wrong with your car and do as I suggested this will prove your point

[mihael]

Totally agree with you about mods if this is ipod lead ,dip rear mirror or many other cosmetic mods but this mod is one that is a fix for a system issue that was know about and was being worked on before the first i shifts came to the market the fundamental gear change lurch was known but launch went ahead anyway while a fix was being worked on so would you be happy with this


have been pressing my dealer but as mine does not have the mod it will be different and at the risk of repeating again honda are saying DVLA will not let them mod my car ???

[Brodick]

Originally Posted by mihael

Totally agree with you about mods if this is ipod lead ,dip rear mirror or many other cosmetic mods but this mod is one that is a fix for a system issue that was know about and was being worked on before the first i shifts came to the market the fundamental gear change lurch was known but launch went ahead anyway while a fix was being worked on so would you be happy with this

I would have to say it would be deemed as a major mod which the manufacturer is allowed to do

If I thought the system was not working properly I would be stood outside my dealers door demanding that they find another car with that you could drive with the foreman ( whether it has had the uprgrade or not) and then drive your my car with the foreman and see if he agreed the system had a problem and take it from there

If my car drove diffrently to the dealers they have to admit there is a problem an book it in If both cars reacted the same then I would take it to be my driving style

I do drive the civic diffrently to my cr-v which has a proper auto box
but the civic is still a fabulos drive

[mihael]

Brodick if you think this is a major mod don't you think it should have been done before the start of i shift production as it apparently makes so much difference i think it should especially as it was being worked on back last year,have taken your thoughts on board and will ask my dealer if they can get me a car with mod to try to compare with mine see what happens


despite this i do like the car but just want it right so i can enjoy what i paid for a top quality car

[Brodick]

Originally Posted by mihael

Brodick if you think this is a major mod don't you think it should have been done before the start of i shift production as it apparently makes so much difference i think it should especially as it was being worked on back last year,have taken your thoughts on board and will ask my dealer if they can get me a car with mod to try to compare with mine see what happens


despite this i do like the car but just want it right so i can enjoy what i paid for a top quality car

No because the i-shift was good - but the upgrade has improved it
once a car is launched a manufacturer will look at the car again and make tweaks here and there.

It will be interesting to see what the dealer foreman has to say - if he thinks your car does have a problem

[TTDegs]

mihael

whilst I certainly feel for you, I would say that unless you can prove that your car has a particular fault (such as by doing what Brodick has suggested), you are on a hiding to nothing I'm afraid.

This sort of continual update process happens throughout not only the car industry, but all industries.

For several examples:
Audi TT 225bhp model discontinued due to emmisions issues.
Audi TT 180bhp (at the same time) got a 10% power hike.

Audi obviously knew it was coming, but continued to sell 180 models.


Pick any TV producer. Brand new TV models don't just go from conception to the sales floor in one day. But they still sell the 'old' models whilst designing new ones.

PC manufacturers - launch new PCs / graphics cards / HDDs etc etc etc every day (almost). The old ones still work - but the new ones work better.
And you can bet your bottom dollar that the nth generation is being worked on when n-2 generation hits the shops.


Would you have felt differently if, 1 year down the line Honda had announced
"i-shift manufacture and sales will now cease."
"Honda are proud to announce the sale of the new h-shift system, which will be fitted to Civics from now on"
?


We all, I'm sure, appreciate that you have an issue with the way that i-shift works in your car.

Your dealer (from what I've picked up) is telling you that Honda are telling him that the DVLA are telling them that your car can't be upgraded.

Either someone somewhere is telling porkies, or that's a battle you're unlikely to win I'm afraid.

But having a go at Honda for continually developing and refining isn't, I'm afraid to say, likely to get you anywhere.

[Bigian]

This is one of the most interesting threads I have read since joining this site. I have had my Civic with I-shift for 6 months now and love it to bits. However I did buy it because of the paddle shift mode. I get to drive quite a lot of hire cars and if they are manual or auto I cannot wait to get back into it the Civic. I must confess if the Civic was made to drive in permanent Auto mode I would not have bought it as the gears changers are at to low revs. Auto mode is great in slow moving traffic or when you a driving very economically but it is terrible if you want a more invigorating drive.

I do agree with TTDegs as far as hardware changes to new models but as I can gather it is only a software mod and lots of products you buy have software upgrades. There seems to be a lot of politics behind Honda not being able to do this upgrade but if they don’t someone, somewhere will.

[pete]

hi all finaly got my civic its in the gallery section (at last shes here .18inch storms)
I now can say that .......
I think the i shift is much beter than the old stye system i had for a demo
1st to second gear change you can feel ... a bit in auto mode if you push it ....but no worse than any other auto box i have had ....the rest of the gears are silky smooth
paddle shifts are awsome......great fun to shift down a cople of cogs on the motorway .....and blast by......

galaxy grey
18inch storms
studio pack
leather and sun roof
concert pack

[Bigian]

Hello Pete ,
I am pleased you like you new motor, You will probably end up like me and never change from using the paddle shifts anyway enjoy it mate.

[pete]

Cheers.....Bigian im sure i will....

[Brodick]

You can tell the i-shift isn't a proper auto
it isn't as smooth - having said that I do think
that unless it is pushed in auto mode the shifts are quite pleasent
and not at all jerky

[Kremmen]

I find 1-2-3 until it's warmed up can be a little sluggish.

[rkn74]

I purchased mine I-Shift EX in January and I find the I-shift highly dangerous and extremely temperamental and jerky. It’s constantly shifting between gears and when I need the extra power to manoeuvre around the lag in gearshift and the almost immediate gear change after is very frustrating.
I contacted Honda on a dealership level and Head office and they are not willing to help! I feel very disappointed and cheated with this I-Shift.
Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA), Incident and Defect Department are aware of the issue and want to hear from other drivers with the same problem. If you have a similar problem, please call their number i's found on their website With enough complaints they will recall the vehicle.

Originally Posted by Roger

HI I'm a new member, and was fascinated to read the comments on the
i-shift. I purchased a 1.8 EX i-shift in November, and have been very
unhappy with it. If Honda will not retrofit their new modifications to
earlier models, we should take some sort of collective action.
My car is bordering on dangerous as it pauses when deciding to change gear. Will be very interested if any earlier car gets modified

[Brodick]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger
HI I'm a new member, and was fascinated to read the comments on the
i-shift. I purchased a 1.8 EX i-shift in November, and have been very
unhappy with it. If Honda will not retrofit their new modifications to
earlier models, we should take some sort of collective action.
My car is bordering on dangerous as it pauses when deciding to change gear. Will be very interested if any earlier car gets modified



I think the Dip you are talking about is the system depressing the clutch to change gear and you will have a similar sensation on the modified box

It is not a fully automatic gearbox!!

Did you and RKN not have a testdrive before your respective purchases

[rkn74]

I did test drive the car but the test drive was on a long stretch road and then on to the motorway, city driving is very different with the i-shift.
When I wrote to Honda UK they used the fact that I test drove the car before placing my order to be reason enough not to help me further!

Originally Posted by Brodick

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger
HI I'm a new member, and was fascinated to read the comments on the
i-shift. I purchased a 1.8 EX i-shift in November, and have been very
unhappy with it. If Honda will not retrofit their new modifications to
earlier models, we should take some sort of collective action.
My car is bordering on dangerous as it pauses when deciding to change gear. Will be very interested if any earlier car gets modified



I think the Dip you are talking about is the system depressing the clutch to change gear and you will have a similar sensation on the modified box

It is not a fully automatic gearbox!!

Did you and RKN not have a testdrive before your respective purchases

[TTDegs]

@ RKN74 (and Roger or anyone else who feels their i-shift car is dangerous)

I would suggest that you visit another dealer who has an i-shift available to demo, and book a test drive.
Obviously do not turn up in your Civic!

Drive their car along the same route you take your own - through town or whatever.

If you feel that their car demonstrates the same symptoms as yours, point them out to the salesperson and ask for his comments.
If his reply is "they're all like that", ask how he expects to sell any!

Be prepared for him to reply with "you need to change your driving style" however - ask him to demonstrate.

If, however, the demo car behaves differently to yours, then you stand a good case for getting yours looked at.



hope that helps.



PS - different dealer so that they don't recognise you

[Brodick]

Couldn't have put it better myself TT

[rkn74]

Thanks. Will give it a try and see what happens.

Originally Posted by TTDegs

@ RKN74 (and Roger or anyone else who feels their i-shift car is dangerous)

I would suggest that you visit another dealer who has an i-shift available to demo, and book a test drive.
Obviously do not turn up in your Civic!

Drive their car along the same route you take your own - through town or whatever.

If you feel that their car demonstrates the same symptoms as yours, point them out to the salesperson and ask for his comments.
If his reply is "they're all like that", ask how he expects to sell any!

Be prepared for him to reply with "you need to change your driving style" however - ask him to demonstrate.

If, however, the demo car behaves differently to yours, then you stand a good case for getting yours looked at.



hope that helps.



PS - different dealer so that they don't recognise you

[Maldax]

I know this gets mentioned a lot but thought I would say again. Shout at me if you feel I am wrong. I think the 'main' issue with the i-Shift is when you pull up to a junction or roundabout and don't stop just slow down and then pull away. I think we shall call this the 'Roundabout lag'. I get it on mine but don't find it dangerous, disconcerting at first yes but not dangerous. I think the problem is that human nature kicks in and drivers automatically put you foot down to compensate this then tells the box that you want it to change down just as it's going to settle into a gear and pull away. so it's not one gear change your waiting for it's two. I find that a bit of patients and not moving your foot everything is fine. When it comes down to it I think the loss of power is very momentary if you don't move your foot