Transmission i Shift change - new software

Fredsays · 8th February 2007, 18:28

Talking to four Honda dealers only one was up front about a change in progamming for the i Shift models and none could explain what it was all about. Any news, ideas?

Brodick · 8th February 2007, 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredsays

Talking to four Honda dealers only one was up front about a change in progamming for the i Shift models and none could explain what it was all about. Any news, ideas?

A change that is to happen
or has happened??

Maldax · 8th February 2007, 22:30

It could do with a 'Sport' button!

TTDegs · 9th February 2007, 00:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredsays

Talking to four Honda dealers only one was up front about a change in progamming for the i Shift models and none could explain what it was all about. Any news, ideas?

by 'up front' do you mean that they were telling you it was going to happen (but wouldn't say what)?

Or rather, were you less than impressed with the i-Shift and you're worried 1 dealer might have been spinning you a line about how it's 'about to be reprogrammed to make it much better'?

welcome aboard by the way

But no, I've heard nothing about it at all, sorry

Fredsays · 9th February 2007, 08:48

Thanks happy to be aboard. Clarifying: some of the dealers would apparently have been happy to sell any cars/demonstrators they had unmodified. Honda are apparently modifying i-Shift models (petrol models confirmed, diesel?) in production and booked by Dealers from some unspecified date, which will result in emissions going up and the VED by one band (100-125) also petrol consumption -presumed to now be same as manual car). What could not be explained is: why and what is the effect. best I got is 'it will make changes smoother'. Since I was pretty happy with un-modified i-Shift went ahead to do a deal on a new car. i-Shift has its own 'style' with pluses and minuses compared with the previous torque converter type but pluses rule.

Brodick · 9th February 2007, 15:37

Sorry I am still confused

Do you mean that owners that already have their cars with i-shift
can expect their dealers to be calling them or a letter from Honda
asking them to book their cars in to get a mod done to the i-shift

Or that all new Civic's with i-shift built from **/**/2007
will have this new superior i-shift??

TTDegs · 9th February 2007, 16:06

just a minor point Fredsays - no i-Shift available on Diesels

rest sounds very interesting...

especially if it is retro applied to older Civics - which then go up a VED class and therefore have to pay more road tax...

mihael · 9th February 2007, 16:48

I find this interesting as when i first started to get interested in the i shift i did quite a lot of asking different dealers and Honda UK if the i shift was to be the civics only auto type box as other car manufacturers had tryed these and had moved away from them and as i did not want to be left with a car come sale time that no one wants and that even Honda had drop ed in all cases the reply to my questions was that Honda had no plans to produce any other auto for the civic as they where totally committed to this system for economy and omissions and in fact intended to produce there other cars with this box ? and when i asked if any further mapping improvements for the box where coming i was informed that no the techs had got it as good as it gets for power ,emissions ,and economy so if this is to change i hope it can be retrospective to our older models otherwise i would feel that Honda was once again finding they had made a design error put it right but had no concern for the other i shift customers and would leave them high and dry as when you came to sell, it would be a case of don't buy the i shift model before a certain date so lets hope we are not forgotten

Maldax · 9th February 2007, 17:01

IMHO there is nothing wrong with the i-Shift! As I said it would be nice to have a sports button the make the change quicker (Maybe not a smooth) but I love it

Fredsays · 9th February 2007, 17:40

Brodick I have no idea about a retro mod but I suppose it is no big deal if its remapping. The Dealer who was straight on the matter did as I recall say that new cars in the hands of Dealers would be modified. I suppose Honda have to be ready to tell 'the authorities' after what date/no. all cars were to new spec if any safety issue ever came up.

Pottsy · 9th February 2007, 20:26

How interesting... So you could register the car, and then get the mod to avoid the VED jump, or could you? What a bore that the improvement costs a band hike.

pete · 12th February 2007, 09:32

hi .....new member here ....waiting for my new civic with i shift expected on 1st march ...
here is the story im being told
the dealer told me that the delivery date has been delayed by around three weeks to the 18th because of an upgrade to the i shift software

but get this .......if your car has been registered allready the upgrade would not be done .....as it changes the tax band /emissions rate of the car
if you have an i shift on on order ask about this upgrade

will this affect the resale value of the car
imagine the question ............did it have the i shift upgrade ...? no
oh well its worth a little less then
any way be warned ......

civinfo....... rules ..
pete

Brodick · 12th February 2007, 10:35

This is interesting someone else already mentioned something about an upgrade for the I-shift - ( I have the feeling that our car may have already been built though will need to get onto the dealer to see what the situation is!

I would find it very unlikely that this would have any effect on the cars retained value - car makers can and do make minor changes to their cars at any time without prior notice, these changes really don't make any effect on an older cars value only when a car has a big facelift there may be a difference ( even then we sold an 04 civic 1 year after the all new model was launched and still got a better trade in than expected.

Nick7 · 14th February 2007, 10:39

Anyone knows what exactly does change with new software?
Does it affect gear change speed, does it have any effect in manual mode, or all it does is change way it work in automatic mode - and if so, how?

pete · 14th February 2007, 14:22

Hi all ............dont really know how the software affects the auto

however i was told it affects the mpg ..... you get a mile less per gallon
and that it would chage gear faster.....

thats all i know so far...... i will let you know when ....i get the car

pete

civinfo ....news at 2.30 .....now.....back to the studio

Kremmen · 16th February 2007, 07:09

I'm a tad confused by this -

According to my latest brochure circa Nov 2006 the 1.8 i-shift is in the lower end of band D 153g/km (VED Band D Petrol) (same as the manual model).

According to the honestjohn website it is in band C -143g/km (VED Band C Petrol) (no doubt an old review).

Therefore the change to the software must have taken place some time ago ?

Fredsays · 16th February 2007, 08:19

The Dealer told me old rate of tax was 100 (infers band C) but would be going up to 125 (band D). He said all cars with Dealers were being taken by Honda to make the change - not done on Dealers premises. The Nov brochure might have been anticipating the change. The i-shift I drove at the Dealers a few days ago was emphasised as not altered. Hope this helps.

NG Civic · 16th February 2007, 08:45

With all the gearbox problems I had i asked the dealer that finally managed to repair it & reply was they asked honda who denied all knowledge, probably some cunning ploy to fob me off.

Brodick · 16th February 2007, 10:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredsays

The Dealer told me old rate of tax was 100 (infers band C) but would be going up to 125 (band D). He said all cars with Dealers were being taken by Honda to make the change - not done on Dealers premises. The Nov brochure might have been anticipating the change. The i-shift I drove at the Dealers a few days ago was emphasised as not altered. Hope this helps.

Fredsays can you tell us the name of the dealer who advised you of this
change?

I need to chase my dealer today as they have not come back to me
with an answer on this and it would be good to be able to mention another
dealers name

Thanks

NG Civic · 16th February 2007, 11:26

Crown Honda of Bushey (Hertfordshire), the Technician who worked on my car had spoken to honda direct & was interested to hear about it as it keeps him upto date on changes.

8th February 2007, 18:28	#1 (permalink)
Fredsays Valve Cap Join Date: 8th February 2007 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	i Shift change - new software Talking to four Honda dealers only one was up front about a change in progamming for the i Shift models and none could explain what it was all about. Any news, ideas?

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mihael Wheelnut Join Date: 11th June 2006 Posts: 98 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	what i shift change any honda dealer now ? I find this interesting as when i first started to get interested in the i shift i did quite a lot of asking different dealers and Honda UK if the i shift was to be the civics only auto type box as other car manufacturers had tryed these and had moved away from them and as i did not want to be left with a car come sale time that no one wants and that even Honda had drop ed in all cases the reply to my questions was that Honda had no plans to produce any other auto for the civic as they where totally committed to this system for economy and omissions and in fact intended to produce there other cars with this box ? and when i asked if any further mapping improvements for the box where coming i was informed that no the techs had got it as good as it gets for power ,emissions ,and economy so if this is to change i hope it can be retrospective to our older models otherwise i would feel that Honda was once again finding they had made a design error put it right but had no concern for the other i shift customers and would leave them high and dry as when you came to sell, it would be a case of don't buy the i shift model before a certain date so lets hope we are not forgotten Last edited by mihael; 9th February 2007 at 16:55.

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pete Valve Cap Join Date: 9th February 2007 Location: wakefield Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	i shift...upgrade? hi .....new member here ....waiting for my new civic with i shift expected on 1st march ... here is the story im being told the dealer told me that the delivery date has been delayed by around three weeks to the 18th because of an upgrade to the i shift software but get this .......if your car has been registered allready the upgrade would not be done .....as it changes the tax band /emissions rate of the car if you have an i shift on on order ask about this upgrade will this affect the resale value of the car imagine the question ............did it have the i shift upgrade ...? no oh well its worth a little less then any way be warned ...... civinfo....... rules .. pete

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pete Valve Cap Join Date: 9th February 2007 Location: wakefield Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	i shift upgrade .......continued Hi all ............dont really know how the software affects the auto however i was told it affects the mpg ..... you get a mile less per gallon and that it would chage gear faster..... thats all i know so far...... i will let you know when ....i get the car pete civinfo ....news at 2.30 .....now.....back to the studio

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Maldax Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 12th June 2006 Location: Reading, Berks Posts: 1,051 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	It could do with a 'Sport' button!

9th February 2007, 08:48	#5 (permalink)
Fredsays Valve Cap Join Date: 8th February 2007 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Thanks happy to be aboard. Clarifying: some of the dealers would apparently have been happy to sell any cars/demonstrators they had unmodified. Honda are apparently modifying i-Shift models (petrol models confirmed, diesel?) in production and booked by Dealers from some unspecified date, which will result in emissions going up and the VED by one band (100-125) also petrol consumption -presumed to now be same as manual car). What could not be explained is: why and what is the effect. best I got is 'it will make changes smoother'. Since I was pretty happy with un-modified i-Shift went ahead to do a deal on a new car. i-Shift has its own 'style' with pluses and minuses compared with the previous torque converter type but pluses rule.

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Brodick Perfect Guy! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 2nd December 2006 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 1,842 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts iTrader: (0)	Sorry I am still confused Do you mean that owners that already have their cars with i-shift can expect their dealers to be calling them or a letter from Honda asking them to book their cars in to get a mod done to the i-shift Or that all new Civic's with i-shift built from //2007 will have this new superior i-shift??

9th February 2007, 16:06	#7 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	just a minor point Fredsays - no i-Shift available on Diesels rest sounds very interesting... especially if it is retro applied to older Civics - which then go up a VED class and therefore have to pay more road tax...

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Maldax Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 12th June 2006 Location: Reading, Berks Posts: 1,051 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	IMHO there is nothing wrong with the i-Shift! As I said it would be nice to have a sports button the make the change quicker (Maybe not a smooth) but I love it

9th February 2007, 17:40	#10 (permalink)
Fredsays Valve Cap Join Date: 8th February 2007 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Brodick I have no idea about a retro mod but I suppose it is no big deal if its remapping. The Dealer who was straight on the matter did as I recall say that new cars in the hands of Dealers would be modified. I suppose Honda have to be ready to tell 'the authorities' after what date/no. all cars were to new spec if any safety issue ever came up.

9th February 2007, 20:26	#11 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,470 Thanks: 22 Thanked 166 Times in 97 Posts iTrader: (0)	How interesting... So you could register the car, and then get the mod to avoid the VED jump, or could you? What a bore that the improvement costs a band hike.

12th February 2007, 10:35	#13 (permalink)
Brodick Perfect Guy! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 2nd December 2006 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 1,842 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts iTrader: (0)	This is interesting someone else already mentioned something about an upgrade for the I-shift - ( I have the feeling that our car may have already been built though will need to get onto the dealer to see what the situation is! I would find it very unlikely that this would have any effect on the cars retained value - car makers can and do make minor changes to their cars at any time without prior notice, these changes really don't make any effect on an older cars value only when a car has a big facelift there may be a difference ( even then we sold an 04 civic 1 year after the all new model was launched and still got a better trade in than expected.

14th February 2007, 10:39	#14 (permalink)
Nick7 Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 10th August 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 453 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Anyone knows what exactly does change with new software? Does it affect gear change speed, does it have any effect in manual mode, or all it does is change way it work in automatic mode - and if so, how?

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Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,840 Thanks: 13 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts iTrader: (0)	I'm a tad confused by this - According to my latest brochure circa Nov 2006 the 1.8 i-shift is in the lower end of band D 153g/km (VED Band D Petrol) (same as the manual model). According to the honestjohn website it is in band C -143g/km (VED Band C Petrol) (no doubt an old review). Therefore the change to the software must have taken place some time ago ?

16th February 2007, 08:19	#17 (permalink)
Fredsays Valve Cap Join Date: 8th February 2007 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	The Dealer told me old rate of tax was 100 (infers band C) but would be going up to 125 (band D). He said all cars with Dealers were being taken by Honda to make the change - not done on Dealers premises. The Nov brochure might have been anticipating the change. The i-shift I drove at the Dealers a few days ago was emphasised as not altered. Hope this helps.

16th February 2007, 08:45	#18 (permalink)
NG Civic Valve Cap Join Date: 13th February 2007 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	With all the gearbox problems I had i asked the dealer that finally managed to repair it & reply was they asked honda who denied all knowledge, probably some cunning ploy to fob me off.

16th February 2007, 11:26	#20 (permalink)
NG Civic Valve Cap Join Date: 13th February 2007 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Crown Honda of Bushey (Hertfordshire), the Technician who worked on my car had spoken to honda direct & was interested to hear about it as it keeps him upto date on changes.

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