Transmission civic automatic

gb110430 · 8th April 2007, 15:02

Hi all

Iv decided and automatic is for me.

However I really dont know which to buy??

HOnda s I shift is new and im concerned about reliability and faults?? Can members pls give me feedback on their civic 1.8 automatics please.

Other options are the seat Leon DSg or Golf Dsg, both are excellent and realiable. Can Honda compete in the automatic market.

Is the I shift reliable in the 1.8 and what are the fuel performance figures??

Thank You

Andy

3rd Honda · 8th April 2007, 15:19

Having had two Honda automatics (Accord and previous Civic - both conventional and excellent automatics) - I would have liked another automatic. However I also wanted the economy and pull of the diesel, so went that way. I was also somewhat nervous that the i-shift is new technology for Honda.

Having read all the threads on here - my current view is that I would not purchase an i-shift.

Why?

Well - there seem too many people with problems to be just isolated cases, and whilst some seem quite happy - there are a significant number who are not happy, and Honda doing major mods that are not able (for whatever reason) to be retrospectively applied worries me.

I would think very carefully before going i-shift, and if you intend to resell, the car at some time - think residuals too.

Its your choice - but do read all the threads on here before taking the plunge!

allan40alt · 8th April 2007, 16:34

My i-Shift has been faultless. Brilliant system but it is an automated manual and not an automatic in the general sense. It does take a couple of weeks to get used to it but when you do it gives you the best of both worlds; an auto when in traffic or when you want to take it easy, and the paddles or stick changes when you want a more sporty ride.

Excellent system, I love it.

elfa7 · 8th April 2007, 16:41

[quote=gb110430;64786]Hi all

Iv decided and automatic is for me.

However I really dont know which to buy??

HOnda s I shift is new and im concerned about reliability and faults?? Can members pls give me feedback on their civic 1.8 automatics please.

Other options are the seat Leon DSg or Golf Dsg, both are excellent and realiable. Can Honda compete in the automatic market.

Is the I shift reliable in the 1.8 and what are the fuel performance figures??

Thank You

If you want an auto, IMO the DSG is the one to go for.
I used to have a Golf 2.0 GT TDI with DSG. The changes were imperceptible.
I wish they could fit it to the Civic.

nicovanlieshout · 8th April 2007, 17:12

I test also a golf DSG , it works perfect, but I prefer the Civic i-shift ( for 3 weeks).
You can change your drive style.
I agree with Allan40alt, it is an excellent system, but try it for you buy it.
My car fuel performance are 7 litres/100 kms

Nico

Bassa · 8th April 2007, 17:13

Had my i-Shift for 9 months and it has been faultless - unlike the well posted problems with the rear shocks,fuel filler cap release & windscreen top seal to name but a few.
Drove a 2007 Toyota Yaris 1.3 the other day with their MultiMode transmission and thought it a very nice little car. It has been available longer than Honda's i-Shift and I have not heard of any problems with it at all. This is an automated manual similar to the i-Shift only minus the steering wheel paddles. In auto mode it requires the same treatment as the i-Shift in lifting slightly between up changes. Being familiar with the i-Shift, is was all very natural to make smooth progress.
However, in its sequential mode, for some unknown reason, the gear change was the exact opposite to the i-Shift - gearlever back to change up and forward to change down!
Japanese consistency!

Got me thinking afterwards, WHICH is the most logical?????

Brodick · 8th April 2007, 17:37

Ignore 3rd Honda's reply ( yes some people are unhappy but they would appear to be in the minority)

as for our car we are very happy 5 weeks on not problems - you will notice that it is not as smooth as a normal automatic ( because it's an automated manual box)

Only you can really decide after a long testdrive

allan40alt · 8th April 2007, 18:29

....incidentally my average fuel is over 43 mpg for my i-Shift.

Bassa · 8th April 2007, 18:55

That is just one of the benefits in having an automated manual - you would never achieve that from a normal torque converted auto/ CVT .

Even better mpg and lower CO2 emissions than the equivalent manual not to mention a rested left foot - got to be worth that initiation period in getting acclimatised to the i-Shift's auto mode - and even that is not required if you stick to the sequential shift.
Choices,choices, choices.

The only minus is a tad slower to 62mph - big deal!

elfa7 · 9th April 2007, 07:10

My average in the Golf DSG was 49mpg. Excellent.

gb110430 · 9th April 2007, 13:34

i would buy a civic over a GOLF BUT not with teh current automatic situation. i want a true automatic. Honda should have bought a true alternative to the DSG to the market both in petrol and diesel.

The fact they havent is not good enough from HOnda. They bought out a fantastic car but no true automatic. ANyone know when HOnda will sort this???

Maldax · 9th April 2007, 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by gb110430

i would buy a civic over a GOLF BUT not with teh current automatic situation. i want a true automatic. Honda should have bought a true alternative to the DSG to the market both in petrol and diesel.

The fact they havent is not good enough from HOnda. They bought out a fantastic car but no true automatic. ANyone know when HOnda will sort this???

The DSG costs double the cost of a i Shift. I have driven both and yes the DSG is good but still is hit with the same 'problems' that i-Shift does. It is just a case of getting to know how to drive a i-Shift. I love mine!

gb110430 · 9th April 2007, 16:44

To be fair i dont think the DSG is bad as I shift. I have not heard the same bad stuff for the DSG as The HOnda> Either way i will wait for HONDa to improve their I shift or wait for thr New Honda Accord

fabian · 25th May 2007, 22:47

Is the I-shift as fast as the manual?
In 0-60km/h
0-80km/h
0-100km/h

Bungle · 25th May 2007, 23:23

No, the manual is faster, but not that much to worry about!

I test drove the i-shift and did not like it. I wanted a full auto, not an automated manual. I loved it in manual mode, but in auto mose the shifts were not too smooth, and some of it's gear choices were questionalble at best. It pulled away from a near stop at RABs in 2nd a couple of times, with the robotic clutch slipping like crazy. It didn't make for a good getaway!

I just found I was better at choosing and changing gear compared to when it was in auto mode, which dissapointed me a little.

I am happy with my descision to stay manual, especially as the 'box is so nice to use!

Kremmen · 26th May 2007, 06:56

I have had full auto's since 1988 and I love them.

The i-shift has been another experience though. It is not an "automatic" no matter how Honda advertise it.

When it is gear change time it cuts the power, changes the gear, then gives you power back. Being as you don't know exactly when this is going to happen you tend to be slightly thrown forward when it happens and it feels odd and catches you out.

As you progress through the gears it gets better and the small lurch is not as noticeable.

The most publicised and the worst bit is the pseudo 'kickdown' feature that basically fails miserably. There have been a few times that I have had to abandon an overtaking manoevere because it hasn't changed down quick enough and I've no power in reserve. Approaching roundabouts is the worst, when you put your foot down to speed up and blend into a gap there is no power because it fails to respond quick enough.

I've got used to it now and it will last me for the next 3 years but I would hesitate to get another i-shift, but I dislike manuals even more.

How could they improve it?

Reduce the gears to 4 = less changes.
1st to 2nd should occur sooner when accelerating slowly, the engine seems to be 'racing' before the 1st to 2nd change. Perhaps have a 'sport' button for low or high rev changes?
Improve the 'kickdown' sensitivity.
GIVE UP, AND REPLACE IT WITH A CONVENTIONAL AUTO.

Definately go for a long test drive if you intend going for the i-shift.

Charles_Harding · 26th May 2007, 11:01

All these guys getting upset with that i-Shift.

I just poodle along and it always seems to be in the correct gear.

When Lady H. isn't around I drive a bit more 'lively' and use the paddles as well.

I'm at one with the i-Shift.

"Found out why Hitler killed himself, it was the gas bill!"

Charles H.

fabian · 26th May 2007, 11:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles_Harding

All these guys getting upset with that i-Shift.

I just poodle along and it always seems to be in the correct gear.

When Lady H. isn't around I drive a bit more 'lively' and use the paddles as well.

I'm at one with the i-Shift.

"Found out why Hitler killed himself, it was the gas bill!"

Charles H.

And how is the speed in 0-100km/h compared with the manual?

Charles_Harding · 26th May 2007, 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by fabian

And how is the speed in 0-100km/h compared with the manual?

I don't look at my watch when accelerating, but I know that someone a while back said that, flat out, it changes into top at 113 mph.

I don't generally race around too much.

If there is a difference between the manual and the i-Shift who cares?

As long as you enjoy what you've got.

And I enjoy what I've got.

"These are the good old days. Just you wait and see!"

Charles H.

Charles_Harding · 26th May 2007, 11:37

By the way Fabian.

Welcome to the site.

Make sure you have a good test drive with the i-Shift.

I'm definately a fan but some others aren't!

"The permisive society never existed. I know 'cos I've spent my entire life looking for it!"

Charles H.

8th April 2007, 15:02	#1 (permalink)
gb110430 Wheelnut Join Date: 10th February 2007 Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	civic automatic Hi all Iv decided and automatic is for me. However I really dont know which to buy?? HOnda s I shift is new and im concerned about reliability and faults?? Can members pls give me feedback on their civic 1.8 automatics please. Other options are the seat Leon DSg or Golf Dsg, both are excellent and realiable. Can Honda compete in the automatic market. Is the I shift reliable in the 1.8 and what are the fuel performance figures?? Thank You Andy

25th May 2007, 22:47	#14 (permalink)
fabian Valve Cap Join Date: 25th May 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Is the I-shift as fast as the manual? In 0-60km/h 0-80km/h 0-100km/h Last edited by fabian; 26th May 2007 at 07:29.

26th May 2007, 06:56	#16 (permalink)
Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,840 Thanks: 13 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts iTrader: (0)	I have had full auto's since 1988 and I love them. The i-shift has been another experience though. It is not an "automatic" no matter how Honda advertise it. When it is gear change time it cuts the power, changes the gear, then gives you power back. Being as you don't know exactly when this is going to happen you tend to be slightly thrown forward when it happens and it feels odd and catches you out. As you progress through the gears it gets better and the small lurch is not as noticeable. The most publicised and the worst bit is the pseudo 'kickdown' feature that basically fails miserably. There have been a few times that I have had to abandon an overtaking manoevere because it hasn't changed down quick enough and I've no power in reserve. Approaching roundabouts is the worst, when you put your foot down to speed up and blend into a gap there is no power because it fails to respond quick enough. I've got used to it now and it will last me for the next 3 years but I would hesitate to get another i-shift, but I dislike manuals even more. How could they improve it? Reduce the gears to 4 = less changes. 1st to 2nd should occur sooner when accelerating slowly, the engine seems to be 'racing' before the 1st to 2nd change. Perhaps have a 'sport' button for low or high rev changes? Improve the 'kickdown' sensitivity. GIVE UP, AND REPLACE IT WITH A CONVENTIONAL AUTO. Definately go for a long test drive if you intend going for the i-shift.

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This thread is about: civic automatic, it's in Engines and Transmission at the Honda Civic forum Civinfo; Hi all Iv decided and automatic is for me. However I really dont know which to buy?? HOnda s I shift is new and im ...

8th April 2007, 15:19	#2 (permalink)
3rd Honda Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 24th July 2006 Location: Tewkesbury Posts: 379 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts iTrader: (0)	Having had two Honda automatics (Accord and previous Civic - both conventional and excellent automatics) - I would have liked another automatic. However I also wanted the economy and pull of the diesel, so went that way. I was also somewhat nervous that the i-shift is new technology for Honda. Having read all the threads on here - my current view is that I would not purchase an i-shift. Why? Well - there seem too many people with problems to be just isolated cases, and whilst some seem quite happy - there are a significant number who are not happy, and Honda doing major mods that are not able (for whatever reason) to be retrospectively applied worries me. I would think very carefully before going i-shift, and if you intend to resell, the car at some time - think residuals too. Its your choice - but do read all the threads on here before taking the plunge!

8th April 2007, 16:34	#3 (permalink)
allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,255 Thanks: 12 Thanked 33 Times in 31 Posts iTrader: (0)	My i-Shift has been faultless. Brilliant system but it is an automated manual and not an automatic in the general sense. It does take a couple of weeks to get used to it but when you do it gives you the best of both worlds; an auto when in traffic or when you want to take it easy, and the paddles or stick changes when you want a more sporty ride. Excellent system, I love it.

8th April 2007, 16:41	#4 (permalink)
elfa7 Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 8th May 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 1,703 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	[quote=gb110430;64786]Hi all Iv decided and automatic is for me. However I really dont know which to buy?? HOnda s I shift is new and im concerned about reliability and faults?? Can members pls give me feedback on their civic 1.8 automatics please. Other options are the seat Leon DSg or Golf Dsg, both are excellent and realiable. Can Honda compete in the automatic market. Is the I shift reliable in the 1.8 and what are the fuel performance figures?? Thank You If you want an auto, IMO the DSG is the one to go for. I used to have a Golf 2.0 GT TDI with DSG. The changes were imperceptible. I wish they could fit it to the Civic.

8th April 2007, 17:12	#5 (permalink)
nicovanlieshout Valve Cap Join Date: 22nd January 2007 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I test also a golf DSG , it works perfect, but I prefer the Civic i-shift ( for 3 weeks). You can change your drive style. I agree with Allan40alt, it is an excellent system, but try it for you buy it. My car fuel performance are 7 litres/100 kms Nico

8th April 2007, 17:13	#6 (permalink)
Bassa Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 19th August 2006 Location: Lincs Posts: 339 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Had my i-Shift for 9 months and it has been faultless - unlike the well posted problems with the rear shocks,fuel filler cap release & windscreen top seal to name but a few. Drove a 2007 Toyota Yaris 1.3 the other day with their MultiMode transmission and thought it a very nice little car. It has been available longer than Honda's i-Shift and I have not heard of any problems with it at all. This is an automated manual similar to the i-Shift only minus the steering wheel paddles. In auto mode it requires the same treatment as the i-Shift in lifting slightly between up changes. Being familiar with the i-Shift, is was all very natural to make smooth progress. However, in its sequential mode, for some unknown reason, the gear change was the exact opposite to the i-Shift - gearlever back to change up and forward to change down! Japanese consistency! Got me thinking afterwards, WHICH is the most logical?????

8th April 2007, 17:37	#7 (permalink)
Brodick Perfect Guy! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 2nd December 2006 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 1,842 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts iTrader: (0)	Ignore 3rd Honda's reply ( yes some people are unhappy but they would appear to be in the minority) as for our car we are very happy 5 weeks on not problems - you will notice that it is not as smooth as a normal automatic ( because it's an automated manual box) Only you can really decide after a long testdrive

8th April 2007, 18:29	#8 (permalink)
allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,255 Thanks: 12 Thanked 33 Times in 31 Posts iTrader: (0)	....incidentally my average fuel is over 43 mpg for my i-Shift.

8th April 2007, 18:55	#9 (permalink)
Bassa Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 19th August 2006 Location: Lincs Posts: 339 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	That is just one of the benefits in having an automated manual - you would never achieve that from a normal torque converted auto/ CVT . Even better mpg and lower CO2 emissions than the equivalent manual not to mention a rested left foot - got to be worth that initiation period in getting acclimatised to the i-Shift's auto mode - and even that is not required if you stick to the sequential shift. Choices,choices, choices. The only minus is a tad slower to 62mph - big deal!

9th April 2007, 07:10	#10 (permalink)
elfa7 Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 8th May 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 1,703 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	My average in the Golf DSG was 49mpg. Excellent.

9th April 2007, 13:34	#11 (permalink)
gb110430 Wheelnut Join Date: 10th February 2007 Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	i would buy a civic over a GOLF BUT not with teh current automatic situation. i want a true automatic. Honda should have bought a true alternative to the DSG to the market both in petrol and diesel. The fact they havent is not good enough from HOnda. They bought out a fantastic car but no true automatic. ANyone know when HOnda will sort this???

9th April 2007, 16:44	#13 (permalink)
gb110430 Wheelnut Join Date: 10th February 2007 Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	To be fair i dont think the DSG is bad as I shift. I have not heard the same bad stuff for the DSG as The HOnda> Either way i will wait for HONDa to improve their I shift or wait for thr New Honda Accord

25th May 2007, 23:23	#15 (permalink)
Bungle Rocketship door handle Join Date: 3rd July 2006 Location: SE London/Kent Posts: 1,220 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	No, the manual is faster, but not that much to worry about! I test drove the i-shift and did not like it. I wanted a full auto, not an automated manual. I loved it in manual mode, but in auto mose the shifts were not too smooth, and some of it's gear choices were questionalble at best. It pulled away from a near stop at RABs in 2nd a couple of times, with the robotic clutch slipping like crazy. It didn't make for a good getaway! I just found I was better at choosing and changing gear compared to when it was in auto mode, which dissapointed me a little. I am happy with my descision to stay manual, especially as the 'box is so nice to use!

26th May 2007, 11:01	#17 (permalink)
Charles_Harding Civinfo guru Join Date: 14th August 2006 Location: S.E. London Posts: 3,303 Thanks: 113 Thanked 27 Times in 26 Posts iTrader: (0)	All these guys getting upset with that i-Shift. I just poodle along and it always seems to be in the correct gear. When Lady H. isn't around I drive a bit more 'lively' and use the paddles as well. I'm at one with the i-Shift. *"Found out why Hitler killed himself, it was the gas bill!"* Charles H.

26th May 2007, 11:37	#20 (permalink)
Charles_Harding Civinfo guru Join Date: 14th August 2006 Location: S.E. London Posts: 3,303 Thanks: 113 Thanked 27 Times in 26 Posts iTrader: (0)	By the way Fabian. Welcome to the site. Make sure you have a good test drive with the i-Shift. I'm definately a fan but some others aren't! *"The permisive society never existed. I know 'cos I've spent my entire life looking for it!"* Charles H.