Performance What to do!

TimV-W · 4th June 2007, 19:54

OK, I know it's only two weeks in, but I am really noticing the drop in performance from my 328i. The trouble is, otherwise I love it and the magic seats of the five door suit my personal needs down to the ground.

I am debating do I get it chipped, or, do I tell the dealer I made a mistake and go for a type R.

What would you do?

czechplastik · 4th June 2007, 20:05

328i? BMW?

LoonyJohn · 4th June 2007, 20:26

If i'd known BMW's had magic seats, then I might have given then more of a look !..........

czechplastik · 4th June 2007, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoonyJohn

If i'd known BMW's had magic seats, then I might have given then more of a look !..........

That's why I asked!

madasadad · 4th June 2007, 21:36

I would refer to the threads on chipping the diesel. By all accounts the difference is very impressive. 185-190 bhp and torque to embaress much more prestigious vehicles.

grebble · 4th June 2007, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by czechplastik

That's why I asked!

LOL! I think he means he used to have a BMW 328i and has bought a Civic to replace it. Is that right Tim?

TimV-W · 4th June 2007, 22:31

Er yes, old car BMW 328i touring with sports suspension (v.practical and could embarass many a hot hatch)

I still have the 328i as at 6years old but 122k miles it's worth more to me than it is to sell.

On 7 points out of 10 I love the Honda. The three points it loses are performance, a bit of handling and solidity.

I would like to keep what I have and add some BHP and torque but I don't want to spend the money if ultimately it will dissappoint.

czechplastik · 4th June 2007, 22:51

Do searches for Superchips, pretty detailed threads, complete with graphs etc,

TTDegs · 4th June 2007, 23:37

an extra 40 or 50 ponies for £500 - gotta be a good thing!

only 10 less than a CTR, but retaining practicality, enconomy and stealth

ciderman4 · 4th June 2007, 23:46

Tim,

I assume that you have the 2.2 ictdi.

I have had my car remapped by Celtic Tuning (190 bhp and 330 lb ft. torque). I highly recommend them - they come to you and we get a group discount, so it only costs £375.
I reckon my car is every bit as quick as a 328i. You won't be disappointed.

Do a search on here for Celtic Tuning.

All the best,
Steve

sco77harris · 4th June 2007, 23:54

i would choose the civic over the bmw - maybe even keep it until it drops as well

go diesel and chip it

solid as a bmw now - my dad has the new 5 series and prefers my car lol

also bmw with magic seats?

czechplastik · 5th June 2007, 00:22

Chipping's the way forward, no need to miss the power.

TimV-W · 5th June 2007, 21:07

I really think that i want to be persuaded as I do like the civic.

Ciderman4 - thanks for the info, the discount make the possibility sound even more enticing. Where are Celtic based and do they charge travel?

ciderman4 · 6th June 2007, 10:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimV-W

I really think that i want to be persuaded as I do like the civic.

Ciderman4 - thanks for the info, the discount make the possibility sound even more enticing. Where are Celtic based and do they charge travel?

Hi Tim,

Celtic are based in Bodmin, Cornwall but they also have a branch in Ireland. They are a mobile tuning company and don't charge for travelling to a job. If you give them a call on the telephone number on their website at http://www.celtictuning.co.uk/ I'm sure that they will fit you in asap. By the way, don't forget to quote this website for the group discount.

Steve

TimV-W · 6th June 2007, 17:25

Steve

Great, Thanks.

What are the insurance and warranty implications of this remap?

TTDegs · 6th June 2007, 18:09

insurance - need to speak to your insurers

Although, given that they will probably log the call, and use it as an excuse to ramp up your premiums next year whether you do it or not...

might be best to phone up your insurers for a NEW quote, as a NEW customer, living 5 doors down from you with a different name - and get them to quote for both with and without the remap

warranty - if the engine dies, Honda may well not cover it, even if it's not down to the remap

*
shouldn't affect things like electric windows or other, non engine related bits

* not for one moment suggesting that the Celtic remap will kill your engine!

Worst case - your engine has a fault which is going to cause it to dump all its oil in a puddle on your drive at 15K miles.
No remap - Honda will look at at, and (hopefully!) replace the engine under warranty.
Remap - Honda will look at it, and if they spot the remap, or you tell them about it, may then blame the remap, and not replace the engine.

czechplastik · 6th June 2007, 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTDegs

Worst case - your engine has a fault which is going to cause it to dump all its oil in a puddle on your drive at 15K miles.
No remap - Honda will look at at, and (hopefully!) replace the engine under warranty.
Remap - Honda will look at it, and if they spot the remap, or you tell them about it, may then blame the remap, and not replace the engine.

Thats the worry, you can be sure a new engine won't be cheap! Anyone know the cost? Just out of interest?

TTDegs · 7th June 2007, 00:17

it's all if buts and maybees

IF your engine is going to blow up
IF Honda find the remap, or IF you tell them
IF Honda then decide the failure is due to remap
IF you can't prove otherwise

then you have a problem - unless you have a different warranty which may cover it.

IWANTACIVIC · 7th June 2007, 04:06

Yer thats why the superchips remap is alot better idea in my book because you get an extra warrirty if honda says no , mite be a bit more now but could be a few thosand cheaper in the longrun.

ciderman4 · 7th June 2007, 11:49

Talk of engines blowing up because of a remap carried out by a reputable tuning company is nonsense.
Do you think that they would still be in business if that was the case ? If there is a genuine fault with the engine then it's going to expire regardless.
When they do a remap, they do it within tolerable levels i.e. they don't make it so aggressive that it puts unnecessary strain on the engine components. The worst case scenario is that you might get a bit of clutch slippage and torque steer.
With modern day engines you're extremely unlikely to have any problems. Furthermore, any issues (I repeat, extremely unlikely) will appear as fault codes via the onboard computer - the engine won't just grind to a halt and blow-up.
I know many people that have had proper remaps done (not bolt-on standard tuning boxes) and I've never heard of any of them having a problem.

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TimV-W Valve Cap Join Date: 24th May 2007 Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Er yes, old car BMW 328i touring with sports suspension (v.practical and could embarass many a hot hatch) I still have the 328i as at 6years old but 122k miles it's worth more to me than it is to sell. On 7 points out of 10 I love the Honda. The three points it loses are performance, a bit of handling and solidity. I would like to keep what I have and add some BHP and torque but I don't want to spend the money if ultimately it will dissappoint.

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czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,724 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	Do searches for Superchips, pretty detailed threads, complete with graphs etc,

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,634 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	an extra 40 or 50 ponies for £500 - gotta be a good thing! only 10 less than a CTR, but retaining practicality, enconomy and stealth

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ciderman4 Wheelnut Join Date: 26th September 2006 Location: middx Posts: 89 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Tim, I assume that you have the 2.2 ictdi. I have had my car remapped by Celtic Tuning (190 bhp and 330 lb ft. torque). I highly recommend them - they come to you and we get a group discount, so it only costs £375. I reckon my car is every bit as quick as a 328i. You won't be disappointed. Do a search on here for Celtic Tuning. All the best, Steve

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sco77harris Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th June 2006 Location: stanmore london Posts: 974 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	i would choose the civic over the bmw - maybe even keep it until it drops as well go diesel and chip it solid as a bmw now - my dad has the new 5 series and prefers my car lol also bmw with magic seats?

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TimV-W Valve Cap Join Date: 24th May 2007 Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I really think that i want to be persuaded as I do like the civic. Ciderman4 - thanks for the info, the discount make the possibility sound even more enticing. Where are Celtic based and do they charge travel?

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TimV-W Valve Cap Join Date: 24th May 2007 Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Steve Great, Thanks. What are the insurance and warranty implications of this remap?

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,634 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	insurance - need to speak to your insurers Although, given that they will probably log the call, and use it as an excuse to ramp up your premiums next year whether you do it or not... might be best to phone up your insurers for a NEW quote, as a NEW customer, living 5 doors down from you with a different name - and get them to quote for both with and without the remap warranty - if the engine dies, Honda may well not cover it, even if it's not down to the remap * shouldn't affect things like electric windows or other, non engine related bits * not for one moment suggesting that the Celtic remap will kill your engine! Worst case - your engine has a fault which is going to cause it to dump all its oil in a puddle on your drive at 15K miles. No remap - Honda will look at at, and (hopefully!) replace the engine under warranty. Remap - Honda will look at it, and if they spot the remap, or you tell them about it, may then blame the remap, and not replace the engine.

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,634 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	it's all if buts and maybees IF your engine is going to blow up IF Honda find the remap, or IF you tell them IF Honda then decide the failure is due to remap IF you can't prove otherwise then you have a problem - unless you have a different warranty which may cover it.

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IWANTACIVIC Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 16th September 2006 Location: LINCS UK Posts: 658 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Yer thats why the superchips remap is alot better idea in my book because you get an extra warrirty if honda says no , mite be a bit more now but could be a few thosand cheaper in the longrun.

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ciderman4 Wheelnut Join Date: 26th September 2006 Location: middx Posts: 89 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Talk of engines blowing up because of a remap carried out by a reputable tuning company is nonsense. Do you think that they would still be in business if that was the case ? If there is a genuine fault with the engine then it's going to expire regardless. When they do a remap, they do it within tolerable levels i.e. they don't make it so aggressive that it puts unnecessary strain on the engine components. The worst case scenario is that you might get a bit of clutch slippage and torque steer. With modern day engines you're extremely unlikely to have any problems. Furthermore, any issues (I repeat, extremely unlikely) will appear as fault codes via the onboard computer - the engine won't just grind to a halt and blow-up. I know many people that have had proper remaps done (not bolt-on standard tuning boxes) and I've never heard of any of them having a problem.