Fuel petrol from?

chetan · 11th June 2007, 11:15

I've been told that the fuel from BP is of better quality and may give you extra mileage...any truth in it?

I dnt like the fuel from supermarkets, but is there any diff from say Esso, BP, Shell etc?

wher you fill up from? or do u jus go for whats cheapest around?

Pottsy · 11th June 2007, 11:19

Cheatan,

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/forumdi...eadprefix=Fuel

illegalhunter · 11th June 2007, 11:54

Petrol is all manufactured to a BS standard there all the same.

Pottsy · 11th June 2007, 12:34

Petrol conforms to the BS standard as a minimum. This is what you get from Morrisons. Other brands use their own different additives, that make the difference. Using BP Ultimate in my car, for example, make a vast difference.

best diesel for 2.2

Ancient Nerd · 11th June 2007, 23:27

I must agree with Pottsy. The oil majors spend massive amounts on R&D to develop the additives that they add to fuel and lube oils. So yes, go with the likes of BP and Shell. I tend to prefer Shell Diesel Extra, because Shell doesn't mark its price up as BP does with Ultimate. Although they are now going that way with V-Power diesel.

Having said that, I've used V-Power diesel a couple of times and it's knocked the socks of Ultimate in mpg. However, two tankfuls isn't enough to make a real comparison.

lobey dosser · 12th June 2007, 00:07

As a newbie who hasn't had a diesel before, and hasn't yet had to fill up the Civic, can I ask a question?

Do BP stations sell 2 types of diesel - Ultimate and some other, cheaper, diesel or do all BP diesel pumps provide "ultimate"?

Thanks, LD

chetan · 12th June 2007, 09:39

i believe BP has the regular and ultimate for both petrol and diesel

Pottsy · 12th June 2007, 09:41

Indeed. And I find BP regular diesel to be much better than Morrisons et al.

chetan · 12th June 2007, 10:37

am i right in believing BP ultimate petrol has RON 97, and the shell vpower petrol 99 RON? i usually fill up with BP unleaded, but yesterday decided to go with the ultimate, left a dent in my pocket of 105.9/litre but i figured worth a try.

do you think the shell will perform better n give better mileage as its 99ron? i went with BP yesterday as shell is a distance from me.

Pottsy · 12th June 2007, 11:06

RON is simply the petrol's resistance to pinking/detonation/pre-ignition (call it what you like). Modern engines adapt ignition timing to be as advanced as possible (more power, better efficiency) until the engine management detects pinking and then backs off a bit.

But, engines also have non-adjustable settings that also affect pinking (like compression ratio). So it may well be on a low-performance engine that the ECU has set maximum ignition advance on 95 RON fuel. 99 would be no use. Likewise a high performance engine (higher CR) might need 99 RON fuel to get the optimum advance, and so 95 RON will cause it to go into low power mode.

I'm going to guess that the Civic is somewhere in between with a CR of 10.8, and 99 RON might be useful (but then it might not). My 968CS had to run on 99 RON and it had a CR of 11.1. Try it and see!

More reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasol...section-1.html

And in answer to "Are different petrol bands different?", this is old, but still a good read:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasol.../preamble.html

Charles_Harding · 12th June 2007, 11:25

I've been running Millie's 1.8 on regular Tesco juice almost since day one.

Very happy with what I get.

Performace, speed, power etc.

Tried, when the Tesco's stuff hasn't been available, other brands inc BP and even Jet, and must say have not noticed any difference in any of them......except the price!

"People who say that they sleep like a baby, have probably never had one!"

Charles H.

grebble · 12th June 2007, 12:59

It's early days for me as I've got less than 4,000 on the clock, but I've found regular Shell diesel gives me better MPG than regular BP diesel. I haven't tried BP Ultimate because of the price!

Kremmen · 12th June 2007, 13:53

Petrol........

I started off using BP Ultimate 97RON and found it OK as far as performance was concerned but without comparison at that stage.

I then changed to BP normal 95RON and found no difference in performance or MPG and it was 10p/litre cheaper.

Then due to a promotion I used Tesco 95RON for 3 weeks and I was finding that it was starting to hesitate at roundabouts and junctions where I needed to come to a stop or almost stop. It was not wanting to take off smoothly.

I then went back to BP normal 95RON and it is back to it's usual self.

No more Tesco's piddle for me

Brodick · 12th June 2007, 22:23

Nothing but shell for our girl
plus it tends to be the same price as morrisons, tescos
etc in our neck of the woods ( think a lot of the local dealers use it aswell)
will try and not change from shell

Charles_Harding · 13th June 2007, 14:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kremmen

Petrol........

No more Tesco's piddle for me

Probably why it's so cheap!

"I'm terrified of dying in a plane crash.
I'd hate to think that my last meal was just a packet of peanuts!"

Charles H.

lobey dosser · 15th June 2007, 00:57

Had to put some motion-lotion in tonight and I filled up with BP Ultimate Diesel at 102.9 per litre!!! Sore!

That's the first fill from new and I got a touch over 45 MPG out of the "free" tankful that the dealer put in.
That was, apparently, Jet diesel so we'll see if we can get more miles out of BP's finest go juice.

sprkeh · 24th June 2007, 21:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles_Harding

I've been running Millie's 1.8 on regular Tesco juice almost since day one.

Very happy with what I get.

Performace, speed, power etc.

Tried, when the Tesco's stuff hasn't been available, other brands inc BP and even Jet, and must say have not noticed any difference in any of them......except the price!

"People who say that they sleep like a baby, have probably never had one!"

Charles H.

It will run Charles but it wont be good! I run a Maxol garage and am moving to a BP one, after seeing presentations about the different effects what people put into their fuel can do to your car, trust me... I aint goin back to Tesco (do miss the clubcard points tho)

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11th June 2007, 11:19	#2 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 4,775 Thanks: 7 Thanked 64 Times in 33 Posts	Cheatan, http://www.civinfo.com/forum/forumdi...eadprefix=Fuel

11th June 2007, 11:54	#3 (permalink)
illegalhunter Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: In the woods armed to the teeth Posts: 2,129 Thanks: 2 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts	Petrol is all manufactured to a BS standard there all the same.

11th June 2007, 12:34	#4 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 4,775 Thanks: 7 Thanked 64 Times in 33 Posts	Petrol conforms to the BS standard as a minimum. This is what you get from Morrisons. Other brands use their own different additives, that make the difference. Using BP Ultimate in my car, for example, make a vast difference. best diesel for 2.2

11th June 2007, 23:27	#5 (permalink)
Ancient Nerd Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 5th May 2006 Location: Norfolk Posts: 347 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I must agree with Pottsy. The oil majors spend massive amounts on R&D to develop the additives that they add to fuel and lube oils. So yes, go with the likes of BP and Shell. I tend to prefer Shell Diesel Extra, because Shell doesn't mark its price up as BP does with Ultimate. Although they are now going that way with V-Power diesel. Having said that, I've used V-Power diesel a couple of times and it's knocked the socks of Ultimate in mpg. However, two tankfuls isn't enough to make a real comparison.

12th June 2007, 00:07	#6 (permalink)
lobey dosser Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 21st May 2007 Location: Glasgow Posts: 180 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	As a newbie who hasn't had a diesel before, and hasn't yet had to fill up the Civic, can I ask a question? Do BP stations sell 2 types of diesel - Ultimate and some other, cheaper, diesel or do all BP diesel pumps provide "ultimate"? Thanks, LD

12th June 2007, 09:39	#7 (permalink)
chetan Valve Cap Join Date: 27th May 2007 Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i believe BP has the regular and ultimate for both petrol and diesel

12th June 2007, 09:41	#8 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 4,775 Thanks: 7 Thanked 64 Times in 33 Posts	Indeed. And I find BP regular diesel to be much better than Morrisons et al.

12th June 2007, 10:37	#9 (permalink)
chetan Valve Cap Join Date: 27th May 2007 Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	am i right in believing BP ultimate petrol has RON 97, and the shell vpower petrol 99 RON? i usually fill up with BP unleaded, but yesterday decided to go with the ultimate, left a dent in my pocket of 105.9/litre but i figured worth a try. do you think the shell will perform better n give better mileage as its 99ron? i went with BP yesterday as shell is a distance from me.

12th June 2007, 11:06	#10 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 4,775 Thanks: 7 Thanked 64 Times in 33 Posts	RON is simply the petrol's resistance to pinking/detonation/pre-ignition (call it what you like). Modern engines adapt ignition timing to be as advanced as possible (more power, better efficiency) until the engine management detects pinking and then backs off a bit. But, engines also have non-adjustable settings that also affect pinking (like compression ratio). So it may well be on a low-performance engine that the ECU has set maximum ignition advance on 95 RON fuel. 99 would be no use. Likewise a high performance engine (higher CR) might need 99 RON fuel to get the optimum advance, and so 95 RON will cause it to go into low power mode. I'm going to guess that the Civic is somewhere in between with a CR of 10.8, and 99 RON might be useful (but then it might not). My 968CS had to run on 99 RON and it had a CR of 11.1. Try it and see! More reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasol...section-1.html And in answer to "Are different petrol bands different?", this is old, but still a good read: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasol.../preamble.html

12th June 2007, 11:25	#11 (permalink)
Charles_Harding Civinfo guru Join Date: 14th August 2006 Location: S.E. London Posts: 2,834 Thanks: 40 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	I've been running Millie's 1.8 on regular Tesco juice almost since day one. Very happy with what I get. Performace, speed, power etc. Tried, when the Tesco's stuff hasn't been available, other brands inc BP and even Jet, and must say have not noticed any difference in any of them......except the price! *"People who say that they sleep like a baby, have probably never had one!"* Charles H.

12th June 2007, 12:59	#12 (permalink)
grebble Wheelnut Join Date: 6th March 2007 Location: Kettering, Northants Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's early days for me as I've got less than 4,000 on the clock, but I've found regular Shell diesel gives me better MPG than regular BP diesel. I haven't tried BP Ultimate because of the price!

12th June 2007, 13:53	#13 (permalink)
Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,419 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Petrol........ I started off using BP Ultimate 97RON and found it OK as far as performance was concerned but without comparison at that stage. I then changed to BP normal 95RON and found no difference in performance or MPG and it was 10p/litre cheaper. Then due to a promotion I used Tesco 95RON for 3 weeks and I was finding that it was starting to hesitate at roundabouts and junctions where I needed to come to a stop or almost stop. It was not wanting to take off smoothly. I then went back to BP normal 95RON and it is back to it's usual self. No more Tesco's piddle for me

12th June 2007, 22:23	#14 (permalink)
Brodick Perfect Guy! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 2nd December 2006 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 1,657 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Nothing but shell for our girl plus it tends to be the same price as morrisons, tescos etc in our neck of the woods ( think a lot of the local dealers use it aswell) will try and not change from shell

15th June 2007, 00:57	#16 (permalink)
lobey dosser Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 21st May 2007 Location: Glasgow Posts: 180 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Had to put some motion-lotion in tonight and I filled up with BP Ultimate Diesel at 102.9 per litre!!! Sore! That's the first fill from new and I got a touch over 45 MPG out of the "free" tankful that the dealer put in. That was, apparently, Jet diesel so we'll see if we can get more miles out of BP's finest go juice.