Choices Which engine do you have

WoolyCiv · 8th August 2006, 22:30

Been reading all the posts regarding the 2.2 i-CDTi, and while I do believe that this is probably the best diesel on the maket, I personally went for the 1.8 i-Vtec as I am under the impression that unless you cover more than 21k miles per year the economics don't work. I accept that the 2.2 i-CDTi has the best torque and makes it the more relaxing drive but the overall performance figures are too similar to bother about.

All this got me wondering what percetage of members chose the 2.2 i-CDTi/1.8 i-Vtec/1.4 i-DSi.
Select yor engine from the options above.

Trekker308 · 8th August 2006, 23:02

I agree with WoolyCiv, and to be honest I didn't fancy an extra 150 kilos or what ever it is up the front end - it wouldn't do much for the turn-in when you're hustling along a country road...

I had a similar dilemma when I bought my existing Alfa 156 - 2.0 / 4-cylinder or 2.5 V?? After test driving them both there was no contest for me as I spend a lot of time on rural roads and the lighter engine 'up front' made it far more nimble on the twists and turns of the roads I find myself on most of the time - and I only do about 10K per annum so there was no financial advantage in the diesel option!

Bungle · 9th August 2006, 08:51

I know there are a lot of diesel fans here, but it just did not appeal to me. The car to me feels very sporty, especially with a big red engine start button. It just wouldn't seem right firing up a smokey diesel with it.
Got my 1.8 into the sticks yesterday, there were lots of dual carriageways and national speed limit roads

The noise the engine makes when it gets past 4500rpm and heads towards the 7000rpm redline is just exquisite! It really does produce a throaty, roar and make you smile. Left a 3-series standing!
I know diesels are more torquey, but it just doesn't sound nice at any speed. I am getting 43 (indicated) mpg at the moment which is not bad either.

For you petrol-heads, there is a good (very biased) article in this month's TG mag, by James May. Sorry diesel owners

basegreen · 9th August 2006, 09:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bungle

I know there are a lot of diesel fans here, but it just did not appeal to me. The car to me feels very sporty, especially with a big red engine start button. It just wouldn't seem right firing up a smokey diesel with it.
Got my 1.8 into the sticks yesterday, there were lots of dual carriageways and national speed limit roads

The noise the engine makes when it gets past 4500rpm and heads towards the 7000rpm redline is just exquisite! It really does produce a throaty, roar and make you smile. Left a 3-series standing!
I know diesels are more torquey, but it just doesn't sound nice at any speed. I am getting 43 (indicated) mpg at the moment which is not bad either.

For you petrol-heads, there is a good (very biased) article in this month's TG mag, by James May. Sorry diesel owners

Just read that

Very funny. I might scan and post it later.

Both engines are very good, and IF the price delta was more like £500 and not £1500, I would have plumped for the diesel, if only for the turbo addiction I was getting in the loaner.

However (and it's a big however), there's some problems with it for me. The weird semi-random whine, the distinctive clatter on a cooler morning, the weight, the slightly higher insurance group etc .

None of these alone would preclude me from buying one. Together, with the £1.5K extra cost swung me towards the 1.8. I missed the torque initially, but I've learned how to drive the VTEC properly, and used in the right way, it can be just as nippy.

If someone swapped my 1.8 overnight for a diesel, identical spec, I wouldn't be unhappy, but I'd definitely miss that roar.

Smifffy · 9th August 2006, 10:35

Just to add my bit in favour of the Diesel.

Have my Civic 2.2 i-CDTi EX on order but chose this because of my experience with the Diesel in my current Accord Tourer (yes I know they have shoe horned it into the Civic). The engine is superb and not smelly, no clatter (inside the car), this is a different class of Diesels to those of old. Fuel economy is great if you don't right foot it too much, but when you want to the power is there ready to use. A great engine for motorways and having the power available for whenever you need it. Total convert to the honda Diesel.

Have Fun

rmh999 · 9th August 2006, 10:38

Ive just gone for the Diesel... mostly down to milage,

but as i am buying the demonstrator i know its not got the whine that people complain of....and the price difference has been swallowed by the discount ....

Having previously been used to about 28mpg from my petrol it should be a revelation.... to get 50+ mpg... got 54MPG on a good mixed test drive...

pick it up in 3 weeks...

Smifffy · 9th August 2006, 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmh999

Ive just gone for the Diesel... mostly down to milage,

but as i am buying the demonstrator i know its not got the whine that people complain of....and the price difference has been swallowed by the discount ....

Having previously been used to about 28mpg from my petrol it should be a revelation.... to get 50+ mpg... got 54MPG on a good mixed test drive...

pick it up in 3 weeks...

You won't regret your Choice

As it's a demonstrator make sure you go over it with a fine tooth comb when they hand it over, some people on test runs (Who Me?

) push the demonstrators a bit hard just to see the expression on the salesmans face sitting beside them. You'll really notice the difference in you fuel costs by the week.

Have Fun

basegreen · 9th August 2006, 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmh999

Ive just gone for the Diesel... mostly down to milage,

but as i am buying the demonstrator i know its not got the whine that people complain of....and the price difference has been swallowed by the discount ....

Having previously been used to about 28mpg from my petrol it should be a revelation.... to get 50+ mpg... got 54MPG on a good mixed test drive...

pick it up in 3 weeks...

Not all the engines I've used had that whine. And if you got a good deal, then that's great. As I said, it's a superb engine, by far the best diesel I've ever driven.

For me though, buying new, it wasn't good enough value to contemplate. I think if I wanted to spend another 1.5K, I'd have gone up the EX.

Fedorov · 9th August 2006, 11:07

Quite a few people I've given lifts to have commented on how quiet it is and surprised it is a diesel.

basegreen · 9th August 2006, 11:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fedorov

Quite a few people I've given lifts to have commented on how quiet it is and surprised it is a diesel.

Wait til the winter!

richierich · 9th August 2006, 11:44

Remember, hate something, change something, make something better. I even have the T-shirt.

I was gonna attach the song off the advert, but its over 1 Meg.

Although I did notice something very, very weird in the advert. Go to http://www.honda.co.uk/change/ and watch the advert, you will notice towards the end something shouts "sing it like you hate it!", its a Ladybird dancing on the engine.

rmh999 · 9th August 2006, 11:54

Because of the good deal i got on the demo car i was able to go up to the Sport model and get the mats etc and a space saver chucked in....

I dont care if its a bit noisy in the winter, although i have never lived with a diesel i have driven quite a few, and at least it should not fall apart like the Pug, even from new it was a bit of a nightmare.......

Rob

The Great Soprendo · 9th August 2006, 13:53

Diesel for me, though I have only owned petrol cars in the past, though have driven a few diesels. As a company car, the equations are different - the CO2 emissions of the diesel are better, as is the fuel economy, but the 'trade-up' cost favours the VTEC. Overall there was nothing in it financially, so I decided to go for the diesel on the basis of more usable performance... That's more for the missus than me - I'm happy to change down 6th to 3rd and red line it on a typical A road overtaking situation, but it's not something that comes naturally to her...and even the best of us occasionally have trouble keeping a high revving petrol engine in the power band on public roads (even if it's fun trying).

I was always a petrol head and still wonder if I've made the right choice, but I think this diesel engine is the best I've tried, and decided it was time for a change.

Haven't got the car yet so can't confirm if I've made the right choice - but I guess there are pros and cons of both, and if I was buying privately I think the VTEC would stack up better.

pjelsworth · 9th August 2006, 14:00

I wonder if we did the overall sums including resale value that the difference would be that much??? All the reviews I have read have clearly pointed out that the diesel will be more sought after and carry a premium when selling second-hand.

basegreen · 9th August 2006, 14:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by richierich

Remember, hate something, change something, make something better. I even have the T-shirt.

I was gonna attach the song off the advert, but its over 1 Meg.

Although I did notice something very, very weird in the advert. Go to http://www.honda.co.uk/change/ and watch the advert, you will notice towards the end something shouts "sing it like you hate it!", its a Ladybird dancing on the engine.

What a coincidence..

Cad · 9th August 2006, 21:22

Oh Bum, My palm must have hovered too close to the touchpad on my laptop.... I voted for the 1.8, when it should have been the 2.2

jayt43 · 9th August 2006, 23:07

Have to say that the 1.4 DSI is a supremely smooth and economical engine (used to have a Jazz in which it first made its debut). So, although younger drivers here - who have opted for the 1.4 for insurance purposes - may look with envy at the 1.8 i-vtec and 2.2 diesel, the 1.4 unit is totally reliable, uncannily quiet at idle and returns excellent fuel consumption figures. If you're not in a rush and do mostly city work it's actually a very sensible choice.

bigal · 10th August 2006, 10:39

diesel for me. been a diesel fan for years now and this one is the best, the power,
economy,refinement,quietness,£110 road tax,sound of the turbo,overtaking is a joy and so relaxing

doubt i'll ever own a petrol car again

Maxbert · 11th August 2006, 22:53

Quick question- Is Diesel more expensive than 95 Unleaded in the UK?

In Luxembourg fuel prices are the same at every filling-station (with the exception of a handful of superstore filling-stations), and Diesel is cheaper. For me, Cheaper fuel + Better economy = No-brainer... (Not forgetting that that the 2.2 has the same PS as the 1.8, and 340 Nm torque, most powerful engine in the range right now...)

civicsport · 11th August 2006, 22:58

Diesel is usually 2-3p per litre more expensive than petrol, unless they dont have space on the sign when its all 99.9p per litre.

View Poll Results: Which engine do you have?
2.2 i-CDTi	67	46.21%
1.8 i-Vtec	70	48.28%
1.4 i-DSi	8	5.52%
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8th August 2006, 22:30	#1 (permalink)
WoolyCiv 12th June 2006 1.8EX Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th May 2006 Location: Lancashire Posts: 1,118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Which engine do you have Been reading all the posts regarding the 2.2 i-CDTi, and while I do believe that this is probably the best diesel on the maket, I personally went for the 1.8 i-Vtec as I am under the impression that unless you cover more than 21k miles per year the economics don't work. I accept that the 2.2 i-CDTi has the best torque and makes it the more relaxing drive but the overall performance figures are too similar to bother about. All this got me wondering what percetage of members chose the 2.2 i-CDTi/1.8 i-Vtec/1.4 i-DSi. Select yor engine from the options above.

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8th August 2006, 23:02	#2 (permalink)
Trekker308 ..with Superchips please! Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 29th July 2006 Location: Ringwood Posts: 337 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	I agree with WoolyCiv, and to be honest I didn't fancy an extra 150 kilos or what ever it is up the front end - it wouldn't do much for the turn-in when you're hustling along a country road... I had a similar dilemma when I bought my existing Alfa 156 - 2.0 / 4-cylinder or 2.5 V?? After test driving them both there was no contest for me as I spend a lot of time on rural roads and the lighter engine 'up front' made it far more nimble on the twists and turns of the roads I find myself on most of the time - and I only do about 10K per annum so there was no financial advantage in the diesel option!

9th August 2006, 08:51	#3 (permalink)
Bungle Rocketship door handle Join Date: 3rd July 2006 Location: SE London/Kent Posts: 1,217 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I know there are a lot of diesel fans here, but it just did not appeal to me. The car to me feels very sporty, especially with a big red engine start button. It just wouldn't seem right firing up a smokey diesel with it. Got my 1.8 into the sticks yesterday, there were lots of dual carriageways and national speed limit roads The noise the engine makes when it gets past 4500rpm and heads towards the 7000rpm redline is just exquisite! It really does produce a throaty, roar and make you smile. Left a 3-series standing! I know diesels are more torquey, but it just doesn't sound nice at any speed. I am getting 43 (indicated) mpg at the moment which is not bad either. For you petrol-heads, there is a good (very biased) article in this month's TG mag, by James May. Sorry diesel owners

9th August 2006, 10:35	#5 (permalink)
Smifffy Wheelnut Join Date: 8th August 2006 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 70 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Just to add my bit in favour of the Diesel. Have my Civic 2.2 i-CDTi EX on order but chose this because of my experience with the Diesel in my current Accord Tourer (yes I know they have shoe horned it into the Civic). The engine is superb and not smelly, no clatter (inside the car), this is a different class of Diesels to those of old. Fuel economy is great if you don't right foot it too much, but when you want to the power is there ready to use. A great engine for motorways and having the power available for whenever you need it. Total convert to the honda Diesel. Have Fun

9th August 2006, 10:38	#6 (permalink)
rmh999 Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd August 2006 Location: Swindon, UK Posts: 159 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Ive just gone for the Diesel... mostly down to milage, but as i am buying the demonstrator i know its not got the whine that people complain of....and the price difference has been swallowed by the discount .... Having previously been used to about 28mpg from my petrol it should be a revelation.... to get 50+ mpg... got 54MPG on a good mixed test drive... pick it up in 3 weeks...

9th August 2006, 11:07	#9 (permalink)
Fedorov Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 15th April 2006 Posts: 783 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Quite a few people I've given lifts to have commented on how quiet it is and surprised it is a diesel.

9th August 2006, 11:44	#11 (permalink)
richierich Smell My Cheese! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 17th May 2006 Location: Bicester, Oxfordshire Posts: 1,847 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Remember, hate something, change something, make something better. I even have the T-shirt. I was gonna attach the song off the advert, but its over 1 Meg. Although I did notice something very, very weird in the advert. Go to http://www.honda.co.uk/change/ and watch the advert, you will notice towards the end something shouts "sing it like you hate it!", its a Ladybird dancing on the engine.

9th August 2006, 11:54	#12 (permalink)
rmh999 Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd August 2006 Location: Swindon, UK Posts: 159 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Because of the good deal i got on the demo car i was able to go up to the Sport model and get the mats etc and a space saver chucked in.... I dont care if its a bit noisy in the winter, although i have never lived with a diesel i have driven quite a few, and at least it should not fall apart like the Pug, even from new it was a bit of a nightmare....... Rob

9th August 2006, 13:53	#13 (permalink)
The Great Soprendo Wheelnut Join Date: 20th July 2006 Location: Location, Location Posts: 63 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Diesel for me, though I have only owned petrol cars in the past, though have driven a few diesels. As a company car, the equations are different - the CO2 emissions of the diesel are better, as is the fuel economy, but the 'trade-up' cost favours the VTEC. Overall there was nothing in it financially, so I decided to go for the diesel on the basis of more usable performance... That's more for the missus than me - I'm happy to change down 6th to 3rd and red line it on a typical A road overtaking situation, but it's not something that comes naturally to her...and even the best of us occasionally have trouble keeping a high revving petrol engine in the power band on public roads (even if it's fun trying). I was always a petrol head and still wonder if I've made the right choice, but I think this diesel engine is the best I've tried, and decided it was time for a change. Haven't got the car yet so can't confirm if I've made the right choice - but I guess there are pros and cons of both, and if I was buying privately I think the VTEC would stack up better.

9th August 2006, 14:00	#14 (permalink)
pjelsworth Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 14th May 2006 Location: Halifax, W. Yorks Posts: 381 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I wonder if we did the overall sums including resale value that the difference would be that much??? All the reviews I have read have clearly pointed out that the diesel will be more sought after and carry a premium when selling second-hand.

9th August 2006, 21:22	#16 (permalink)
Cad estranged Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 5th June 2006 Location: Upstairs Posts: 391 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Oh Bum, My palm must have hovered too close to the touchpad on my laptop.... I voted for the 1.8, when it should have been the 2.2

9th August 2006, 23:07	#17 (permalink)
jayt43 Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 27th June 2006 Location: Budapest Posts: 509 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Have to say that the 1.4 DSI is a supremely smooth and economical engine (used to have a Jazz in which it first made its debut). So, although younger drivers here - who have opted for the 1.4 for insurance purposes - may look with envy at the 1.8 i-vtec and 2.2 diesel, the 1.4 unit is totally reliable, uncannily quiet at idle and returns excellent fuel consumption figures. If you're not in a rush and do mostly city work it's actually a very sensible choice.

10th August 2006, 10:39	#18 (permalink)
bigal Wheelnut Join Date: 4th July 2006 Location: scotland Posts: 64 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	diesel for me. been a diesel fan for years now and this one is the best, the power, economy,refinement,quietness,£110 road tax,sound of the turbo,overtaking is a joy and so relaxing doubt i'll ever own a petrol car again

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Maxbert Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 11th August 2006 Location: The Green Heart of Europe Posts: 138 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Quick question- Is Diesel more expensive than 95 Unleaded in the UK? In Luxembourg fuel prices are the same at every filling-station (with the exception of a handful of superstore filling-stations), and Diesel is cheaper. For me, Cheaper fuel + Better economy = No-brainer... (Not forgetting that that the 2.2 has the same PS as the 1.8, and 340 Nm torque, most powerful engine in the range right now...)

11th August 2006, 22:58	#20 (permalink)
civicsport Mr. Foglights Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 16th June 2006 Location: Stockton-on-Tees Posts: 189 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Diesel is usually 2-3p per litre more expensive than petrol, unless they dont have space on the sign when its all 99.9p per litre.