Tuning Other ways of modifying the 2.2 diesel - Page 2

illegalhunter · 15th July 2007, 20:51

Buy A Type R

IWANTACIVIC · 15th July 2007, 21:08

225 bhp cool i would be intersted in the bigger none oem intercooler pics,
well done nice job but its a long way to go from the uk just to have your car tuned when theres plenty of good tuners in the uk. but nice job well done.

IWANTACIVIC · 15th July 2007, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by illegalhunter

Buy A Type R

Why more bhp than a tyre r and lot better mpg lol long live the cdti

wleszczynski · 15th July 2007, 21:22

All right Ladies and Gents, short update on this...

Contacted Masters Tuning asking how is the car since mod has been done in Sep '06. Apparently it has 60000 km on clock now. No problems reported with clutch and any other parts. As stated in my first post, car is currently runing 226 HP.

IC (intercooler) was custom made ad hoc for about 200 pounds by one of radiator repairers in Warsaw. It's core came from some truck (not specified).

When it comes to brakes. They are very efficient, however pads lasted for 5000km when used hard

.

I am afraid it will be hard to find out more details without following in that guy's steps with modifications. The proper documentation can be made at that time or at least more accurate info on intercooler collected.

And yes, I have asked if there are any more pictures of the IC installation

We shall wait...

Wojtek

wleszczynski · 15th July 2007, 21:28

IWANTACIVIC: Some people travelled to Greece in their Civics and it's much longer journey than to Warsaw...

In fact I can tell you how long it took me last summer to get home - ferry Hull-Rotterdam - 1 night. Left Rotterdam at about 08:30 and about 22:00 was in suburbs of Warsaw. No rush, driving around 120-130 km/h.

You must admit it's not bad at all... And Poland is beautiful country to see as well...

vtidan · 16th July 2007, 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by illegalhunter

Buy A Type R

been there and done the whole "type r" thing. torque is what im interested in now bud. (and 45mpg doesnt hurt either!)

necromant · 20th July 2007, 17:35

anyone talked to miltek?

yhomega · 9th September 2007, 14:17

hello!

no new picture? somebody know the pressure of the supercharger with the new intercooler?

thx

harq · 13th November 2007, 00:21

That's amazing. I knew the 2.2 had a lot of potential; I thought Pottsy had found the boundary of that potential with a remap up to 185bhp, but 226 is awesome! I want one of these care more than ever now. I've often thought about changing the air intakes on diesels to improve performance, but all the people I spoke to about it just couldn't comment as they had no idea if it would help or not. I just knew my 306 went a damn sight better in colder weather. Finally it's been proved.

Something I'm really curious about - does anyone have any post-remap/tune 0-62mph figures!?!? I'd love to know what the 0-62 is on that 226bhp car!

Bob

Koen · 13th November 2007, 09:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by shefki

As a mechanical engineer I am quite happy to stick with the engine as designed.
You have to remember that these units spend million of hours in testing in labs, rolling roads and on tracks.
I'm sure that they have tested to the limit and then backed off 20% to give years of reliable motoring.
...

Not entirely true. Most modern diesels are capable of much more power, within "mechanical safe" limits. But there's also a commercial and a financial aspect:
Commerical: Very often an engine is put to market while R&D is already working on an upgrade, based upon the previous one. That means minimal investment, and a "new", more performant machine. I wouldn't be surprised if the "new" 2.2 Honda Diesel is an example of this. The 140 PS version we're driving now is Version 1.0.
Financial: In most countries you pay registration en yearly taxes based on engine power. Some diesel engines (eg. BMW) are therefore available in different power-modes, others (Honda) choose an overall favorable power-rating.

K.

PS: Millions of hours? One day has 24 hours. That's 8760 hours in one year. Suppose development of an engine costs 5 years. (Hope they do it faster!) That would mean 114 engines, running simultanously, starting at day one, day in day out, non stop, to get to 1.000.000 hours in 5 years.
So maybe it's a little less.

cylon2007 · 13th November 2007, 15:56

How about this for a different way of improving the performance of the Diesel Nitrous and Propane Diesel Injection Kits | Parleys Diesel Performance.com don't know anything about except what I've read on the link, was pointed to it by a friend. Could be interesting. I am quite surprised it an american site as diesels aren't as big in America as over here.

civicfan · 13th November 2007, 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by cylon2007

How about this for a different way of improving the performance of the Diesel Nitrous and Propane Diesel Injection Kits | Parleys Diesel Performance.com don't know anything about except what I've read on the link, was pointed to it by a friend. Could be interesting. I am quite surprised it an american site as diesels aren't as big in America as over here.

And if it shreds the engine perhaps one might switch to kerosene (and fit a jet engine)

harq · 13th November 2007, 22:18

They fitted a Nitrous kit to a Mark 3 (I think) Golf on Top Gear. It went like a rocket and they reckoned the pressures involved were well within tolerance as the engine blocks were designed to take much higher pressures. Or something like that. Don't know about the more modern common rail engines tho'... The one on top gear, I'm pretty sure, was pre-common rail.

ukpm · 14th November 2007, 00:00

Quite right about the effective torque from dumping a clutch - it's an order of magnitude greater than normal torque delivery. You can quite easily pop an inner CV joint under the stress of dumping the clutch, engine mounts are also at significant risk. Auto boxes usually cope poorly with increased torque due to the fact the amount of slip increases beyond design limits and generates more heat in the box oil which usually doesn't have enough cooling capacity to handle the sustained increase.

I drive a Focus ST and some people at focusstoc.com have increased their torque to as much as 590Nm and 335 PS. I don't there have been any huge problems with the gearbox - drive shafts have been a problem, but they have been going on standard cars too (inlcuding mine) cars built after March 07 have a revised (stronger) CV joint and shaft design to cope.

Type S Newcastle · 1st January 2008, 17:14

anymore news on intercoolers for the civic? Mine has a superchip but want to explore more ways of getting extra power

ritchie_perriam · 2nd January 2008, 20:38

i was looking at the standard intercooler and it isnt that big (just inside the bumper infront of the offside front wheel. you can see it through a little grille in the wheelarch) im sure a nice big intercooler can fit in front of the radiator inside the front intake. there is loads of space and im sure there is a intercooler on the market that will fit! just have to mess around with the intake pipe routing.

wonder what the gains would be on a standard civic?

yhomega · 2nd January 2008, 23:23

i am putting an big intercooler on my chip tuning civic
i have a problem with the piping, but it should work tomorow, i will show you pic and everything

ritchie_perriam · 2nd January 2008, 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by yhomega

i am putting an big intercooler on my chip tuning civic
i have a problem with the piping, but it should work tomorow, i will show you pic and everything

ah very nice!

robbo51 · 3rd January 2008, 09:40

There is a group buy for a better air filter:
http://www.civinfo.com/forum/sale-wa...-2-2-ctdi.html

yhomega · 3rd January 2008, 19:57

normaly i have no more piping problem, but today bad weather so i didnt realy try the car! but i think performance don't increase so much, i will see my chip tuner and i will do a remap with my new intercooler!

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15th July 2007, 20:51	#21 (permalink)
illegalhunter HACKIN & SLAYIN Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: In the woods armed to the teeth Posts: 2,887 Thanks: 6 Thanked 35 Times in 34 Posts iTrader: (0)	Buy A Type R

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IWANTACIVIC Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 16th September 2006 Location: LINCS UK Posts: 658 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	225 bhp cool i would be intersted in the bigger none oem intercooler pics, well done nice job but its a long way to go from the uk just to have your car tuned when theres plenty of good tuners in the uk. but nice job well done.

15th July 2007, 21:22	#24 (permalink)
wleszczynski Valve Cap Join Date: 8th May 2007 Location: York, North Yorkshire Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	All right Ladies and Gents, short update on this... Contacted Masters Tuning asking how is the car since mod has been done in Sep '06. Apparently it has 60000 km on clock now. No problems reported with clutch and any other parts. As stated in my first post, car is currently runing 226 HP. IC (intercooler) was custom made ad hoc for about 200 pounds by one of radiator repairers in Warsaw. It's core came from some truck (not specified). When it comes to brakes. They are very efficient, however pads lasted for 5000km when used hard . I am afraid it will be hard to find out more details without following in that guy's steps with modifications. The proper documentation can be made at that time or at least more accurate info on intercooler collected. And yes, I have asked if there are any more pictures of the IC installation We shall wait... Wojtek

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wleszczynski Valve Cap Join Date: 8th May 2007 Location: York, North Yorkshire Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	IWANTACIVIC: Some people travelled to Greece in their Civics and it's much longer journey than to Warsaw... In fact I can tell you how long it took me last summer to get home - ferry Hull-Rotterdam - 1 night. Left Rotterdam at about 08:30 and about 22:00 was in suburbs of Warsaw. No rush, driving around 120-130 km/h. You must admit it's not bad at all... And Poland is beautiful country to see as well...

20th July 2007, 17:35	#27 (permalink)
necromant Valve Cap Join Date: 6th October 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	anyone talked to miltek?

9th September 2007, 14:17	#28 (permalink)
yhomega Valve Cap Join Date: 25th June 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	hello! no new picture? somebody know the pressure of the supercharger with the new intercooler? thx

13th November 2007, 00:21	#29 (permalink)
harq Valve Cap Join Date: 27th June 2007 Location: Cambridge Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	That's amazing. I knew the 2.2 had a lot of potential; I thought Pottsy had found the boundary of that potential with a remap up to 185bhp, but 226 is awesome! I want one of these care more than ever now. I've often thought about changing the air intakes on diesels to improve performance, but all the people I spoke to about it just couldn't comment as they had no idea if it would help or not. I just knew my 306 went a damn sight better in colder weather. Finally it's been proved. Something I'm really curious about - does anyone have any post-remap/tune 0-62mph figures!?!? I'd love to know what the 0-62 is on that 226bhp car! Bob

13th November 2007, 15:56	#31 (permalink)
cylon2007 Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 14th April 2007 Location: South Manchester/North Cheshire Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	How about this for a different way of improving the performance of the Diesel Nitrous and Propane Diesel Injection Kits \| Parleys Diesel Performance.com don't know anything about except what I've read on the link, was pointed to it by a friend. Could be interesting. I am quite surprised it an american site as diesels aren't as big in America as over here.

13th November 2007, 22:18	#33 (permalink)
harq Valve Cap Join Date: 27th June 2007 Location: Cambridge Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	They fitted a Nitrous kit to a Mark 3 (I think) Golf on Top Gear. It went like a rocket and they reckoned the pressures involved were well within tolerance as the engine blocks were designed to take much higher pressures. Or something like that. Don't know about the more modern common rail engines tho'... The one on top gear, I'm pretty sure, was pre-common rail.

14th November 2007, 00:00	#34 (permalink)
ukpm Wheelnut Join Date: 17th April 2007 Location: Holywood, Co. Down Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Quite right about the effective torque from dumping a clutch - it's an order of magnitude greater than normal torque delivery. You can quite easily pop an inner CV joint under the stress of dumping the clutch, engine mounts are also at significant risk. Auto boxes usually cope poorly with increased torque due to the fact the amount of slip increases beyond design limits and generates more heat in the box oil which usually doesn't have enough cooling capacity to handle the sustained increase. I drive a Focus ST and some people at focusstoc.com have increased their torque to as much as 590Nm and 335 PS. I don't there have been any huge problems with the gearbox - drive shafts have been a problem, but they have been going on standard cars too (inlcuding mine) cars built after March 07 have a revised (stronger) CV joint and shaft design to cope.

1st January 2008, 17:14	#35 (permalink)
Type S Newcastle Valve Cap Join Date: 13th July 2007 Location: newcastle Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	anymore news on intercoolers for the civic? Mine has a superchip but want to explore more ways of getting extra power

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ritchie_perriam Tyre Shredder Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 30th November 2007 Location: guildford, surrey Posts: 322 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	i was looking at the standard intercooler and it isnt that big (just inside the bumper infront of the offside front wheel. you can see it through a little grille in the wheelarch) im sure a nice big intercooler can fit in front of the radiator inside the front intake. there is loads of space and im sure there is a intercooler on the market that will fit! just have to mess around with the intake pipe routing. wonder what the gains would be on a standard civic?

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yhomega Valve Cap Join Date: 25th June 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	i am putting an big intercooler on my chip tuning civic i have a problem with the piping, but it should work tomorow, i will show you pic and everything

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3rd January 2008, 19:57	#40 (permalink)
yhomega Valve Cap Join Date: 25th June 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	normaly i have no more piping problem, but today bad weather so i didnt realy try the car! but i think performance don't increase so much, i will see my chip tuner and i will do a remap with my new intercooler!