Run in Gentle miles

robles · 30th July 2007, 08:52

Hallo every one!
I like to hear your Professional opinion on first gentle mileage on Civic TypeR 2007. How many miles I must ride gentle, without raving the limits, to better prepare engine.
I heard that ideal is:
First 2000 km (1200 miles) – 2000 – 3000 rpm
2000 – 3000 km – 3000 – 4000 rpm
And so on till 5000 km.

czechplastik · 30th July 2007, 08:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by robles

Hallo every one!
I like to hear your Professional opinion on first gentle mileage on Civic TypeR 2007. How many miles I must ride gentle, without raving the limits, to better prepare engine.
I heard that ideal is:
First 2000 km (1200 miles) – 2000 – 3000 rpm
2000 – 3000 km – 3000 – 4000 rpm
And so on till 5000 km.

http://www.civinfo.com/wiki/index.php?title=Running_in

FWH · 30th July 2007, 08:57

Hi Robles and welcome.

See the Wiki section for "running in".
http://www.civinfo.com/wiki/index.php?title=Running_in

We don´t believe in gentle.

But it is your engine and your choice.

FWH · 30th July 2007, 08:58

Snap Cz!

czechplastik · 30th July 2007, 09:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by FWH

Snap Cz!

High five!

Rocko · 30th July 2007, 11:08

I didn't run my in at all really, my dealer said it didn't need it. I've now done about 3600 miles in about 6 weeks.. eek!

Brodick · 30th July 2007, 11:39

Honda engines are run in by Honda prior to delivery

then it is up to the owner how they run in their car
although I do agree with most of what is in the wiki
section

robles · 30th July 2007, 11:50

I reed, that al cars is necessary to gentle ride on till 3500 miles. It will better prepare engine and bring more real power in future, fuel and oil economy to.
Thanks to everyone for opinion.

Pottsy · 30th July 2007, 12:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brodick

Honda engines are run in by Honda prior to delivery

Brodders - have a peek at the Myths section of the running in article. I got this confirmed by an employee working in the engine assembly plant.

Brodick · 30th July 2007, 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pottsy

Brodders - have a peek at the Myths section of the running in article. I got this confirmed by an employee working in the engine assembly plant.

Must have words with my salesman

Pottsy · 30th July 2007, 13:14

I think what he meant to say was that there's no real need for a special running in procedure...

Charles_Harding · 30th July 2007, 16:12

I have said it before and I'll say it again.

My stealer reckoned that the motor should be used with some gusto, and that 'running in' was a thing from the past.

'cos of that, after delivery, and after listening to my stealer, I got Millie up to 90mph before we left his car park!

"If a kid says where does the rain come from?
Tell him that it is probably God crying.
If the kid then says why is he crying?
You say 'It's probably something you did'!"

Charles H.

Terry-James. · 30th July 2007, 21:52

I bought my 1.8 auto in Dec`06. Before I could amass 4000 miles I had to top up with 4pts of oil to extinguish the oil warning light. "It depends on how you drive it and it does tell you in the book that it will loose some oil during (dare I mention it) running in." said the helpful assistant.
Terry-James.

robles · 31st July 2007, 08:16

So opinions are different.
From my past experience with 0 mile cars (unfortunately not Hondas) I could say that I always make run in process. As my friend who is top manager in Honda Latvian office sad, that as better you will run in car, the better performance you will have in future usage.
For example Rally team Latvia, who driving Hondas Civic Type-R make such preparing of engines.
As now I waiting for my Type-R delivery I am lucking for different opinions and experiences.

Charles_Harding · 31st July 2007, 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by robles

So opinions are different.

Anyone got a coin?

"The great advantage of being an adult is that you can eat your dessert with having to eat all your greens beforehand!"

Charles H.

john_lickman · 10th August 2007, 18:55

I've had several Hondas over the years - all with less than 3 wheels up until now and I prefer to disagree with the Wiki advice in this forum.

It seems to me that most people only consider the engine when thinking about running in a new car. What about all the other components (gearbox, axles, suspension, brakes, etc.)?

I won't bore you with the physics and metallurgy (guess what my degree was in

) but my bikes have always seem to have benefited from a process that starts with a gentle load that builds up over a period of, appox., 1,000 miles. Benefited, compared to others who thrashed the wotsits off them from second one!

Each to their own, I say, but I certainly always bed in the brake pads for a 100 miles or so. I look upon running in as an extension of the same process.

BigBud · 10th August 2007, 19:27

running in the engine is not necessary as long as you don't floor it when it's cold...what brakes is concerned it is true that you don't want to do heavy braking the first couple of miles because they should weare down equally...

PJS · 15th August 2007, 22:42

Have to agree - no ragging the nuts off it whilst cold, but after about 10 mins of driving once the oil temp and pressure are up to where they should be, then knock seven shades of ***** out of the rev counter and gear lever.
John, as a biker, I'm sure you're familiar with the bike oriented site that promotes the hard run-in procedure rather than the softly softly approach.
The sooner you slough off those peaks on the rings and wall, the sooner your seal will be created, reducing the blow-by when cold, which is when most of the acid compounds are formed, and reducing the life of the oil.

john_lickman · 16th August 2007, 09:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by PJS

John, as a biker, I'm sure you're familiar with the bike oriented site that promotes the hard run-in procedure rather than the softly softly approach.

How you run in your engine is your business. I've been in too many message board "flame fights" to want to go through the whole sordid business again. However, I would comment that just because it's published on the internet, doesn't mean it's right. I run my engines in my way because, well, they are my engines and I want them still to be my engines in years to come. Plus, 4 years at Loughborough studying Metallurgy and Tribology tells me that it's the right way to do it.

PJS · 16th August 2007, 10:46

I don't know what other boards you frequent, but I can't recall any flaming wars on here.....yet.
That said, and back to the topic of debate, I'd be interested to hear "your side" of the argument, using your University provided knowledge base.
In reply to "just because it's published on the internet, doesn't mean it's right", I'll counter with......not everyone providing information on the internet doesn't know what they're talking about or makes it up.
So unless there's a requirement to list our educational achievements (and professional ones too) before taking their word, we have to work on the basis they're being genuine and have gained their knowledge through various means - personal experience, reading technical material, talked to individuals who work in the field, etc.

Yes, there are some (a lot?) of urban myths that are repeated - probably started off mostly right, but like a game of chinese whispers, after being repeated numerous times, bits changed or were misinterpreted through poor explanation or badly phrased grammatical structure.

As of yet, I've not seen one mention of the site I linked above being discussed in such a way as to indicate someone followed the advice given therein, and ended up destroying their engine.

Like I said, please share the knowledge you've got that shows why the progressive approach is the best method.

30th July 2007, 08:52	#1 (permalink)
robles Valve Cap Join Date: 30th July 2007 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Gentle miles Hallo every one! I like to hear your Professional opinion on first gentle mileage on Civic TypeR 2007. How many miles I must ride gentle, without raving the limits, to better prepare engine. I heard that ideal is: First 2000 km (1200 miles) – 2000 – 3000 rpm 2000 – 3000 km – 3000 – 4000 rpm And so on till 5000 km.

30th July 2007, 21:52	#13 (permalink)
Terry-James. Valve Cap Join Date: 26th July 2007 Posts: 6 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Running in. I bought my 1.8 auto in Dec`06. Before I could amass 4000 miles I had to top up with 4pts of oil to extinguish the oil warning light. "It depends on how you drive it and it does tell you in the book that it will loose some oil during (dare I mention it) running in." said the helpful assistant. Terry-James.

10th August 2007, 18:55	#16 (permalink)
john_lickman Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd August 2007 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 64 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	For what it's worth... I've had several Hondas over the years - all with less than 3 wheels up until now and I prefer to disagree with the Wiki advice in this forum. It seems to me that most people only consider the engine when thinking about running in a new car. What about all the other components (gearbox, axles, suspension, brakes, etc.)? I won't bore you with the physics and metallurgy (guess what my degree was in ) but my bikes have always seem to have benefited from a process that starts with a gentle load that builds up over a period of, appox., 1,000 miles. Benefited, compared to others who thrashed the wotsits off them from second one! Each to their own, I say, but I certainly always bed in the brake pads for a 100 miles or so. I look upon running in as an extension of the same process.

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FWH Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 3rd June 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 4,838 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 23 Posts	Hi Robles and welcome. See the Wiki section for "running in". http://www.civinfo.com/wiki/index.php?title=Running_in We don´t believe in gentle. But it is your engine and your choice.

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FWH Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 3rd June 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 4,838 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 23 Posts	Snap Cz!

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Rocko Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: South Manchester Posts: 120 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I didn't run my in at all really, my dealer said it didn't need it. I've now done about 3600 miles in about 6 weeks.. eek!

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Brodick Perfect Guy! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 2nd December 2006 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 1,657 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Honda engines are run in by Honda prior to delivery then it is up to the owner how they run in their car although I do agree with most of what is in the wiki section

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robles Valve Cap Join Date: 30th July 2007 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I reed, that al cars is necessary to gentle ride on till 3500 miles. It will better prepare engine and bring more real power in future, fuel and oil economy to. Thanks to everyone for opinion.

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 4,772 Thanks: 7 Thanked 64 Times in 33 Posts	I think what he meant to say was that there's no real need for a special running in procedure...

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Charles_Harding Civinfo guru Join Date: 14th August 2006 Location: S.E. London Posts: 2,820 Thanks: 37 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	I have said it before and I'll say it again. My stealer reckoned that the motor should be used with some gusto, and that 'running in' was a thing from the past. 'cos of that, after delivery, and after listening to my stealer, I got Millie up to 90mph before we left his car park! *"If a kid says where does the rain come from?* *Tell him that it is probably God crying.* *If the kid then says why is he crying?* *You say 'It's probably something you did'!"* Charles H.

31st July 2007, 08:16	#14 (permalink)
robles Valve Cap Join Date: 30th July 2007 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So opinions are different. From my past experience with 0 mile cars (unfortunately not Hondas) I could say that I always make run in process. As my friend who is top manager in Honda Latvian office sad, that as better you will run in car, the better performance you will have in future usage. For example Rally team Latvia, who driving Hondas Civic Type-R make such preparing of engines. As now I waiting for my Type-R delivery I am lucking for different opinions and experiences.

10th August 2007, 19:27	#17 (permalink)
BigBud Valve Cap Join Date: 23rd July 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	running in the engine is not necessary as long as you don't floor it when it's cold...what brakes is concerned it is true that you don't want to do heavy braking the first couple of miles because they should weare down equally...

15th August 2007, 22:42	#18 (permalink)
PJS Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 27th May 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 352 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Have to agree - no ragging the nuts off it whilst cold, but after about 10 mins of driving once the oil temp and pressure are up to where they should be, then knock seven shades of ***** out of the rev counter and gear lever. John, as a biker, I'm sure you're familiar with the bike oriented site that promotes the hard run-in procedure rather than the softly softly approach. The sooner you slough off those peaks on the rings and wall, the sooner your seal will be created, reducing the blow-by when cold, which is when most of the acid compounds are formed, and reducing the life of the oil.

16th August 2007, 10:46	#20 (permalink)
PJS Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 27th May 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 352 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	I don't know what other boards you frequent, but I can't recall any flaming wars on here.....yet. That said, and back to the topic of debate, I'd be interested to hear "your side" of the argument, using your University provided knowledge base. In reply to "just because it's published on the internet, doesn't mean it's right", I'll counter with......not everyone providing information on the internet doesn't know what they're talking about or makes it up. So unless there's a requirement to list our educational achievements (and professional ones too) before taking their word, we have to work on the basis they're being genuine and have gained their knowledge through various means - personal experience, reading technical material, talked to individuals who work in the field, etc. Yes, there are some (a lot?) of urban myths that are repeated - probably started off mostly right, but like a game of chinese whispers, after being repeated numerous times, bits changed or were misinterpreted through poor explanation or badly phrased grammatical structure. As of yet, I've not seen one mention of the site I linked above being discussed in such a way as to indicate someone followed the advice given therein, and ended up destroying their engine. Like I said, please share the knowledge you've got that shows why the progressive approach is the best method.