Performance different power 2.2 diesel engines

koenie · 9th August 2007, 18:59

I'm about to buy a new civic 2.2 i-ctdi in one of the next months. Yesterday, i was told by my own Honda dealer that there's a lot of difference between one 2.2 ictdi and anonther 2.2 ictdi engine. One can have (standard) 160 hp (instead of 140) while another one only has 120 hp. Reason for that should be the settings of the turbo. "you should have some luck" he said.... This seems so un-Honda to me. Anyone any experience ?

necromant · 9th August 2007, 19:44

dynoplots that i have seen or heard about were all between 150 and 160 hp...

gb110430 · 9th August 2007, 19:53

thats crazy
well seems crazy what the dealer is saying

FWH · 9th August 2007, 20:39

Sure engines will differ, but a 40hp spread och a 140hp engine?
No chance. Not even from Swindon.

Ask him for documented tests that verify his statement.

I just can´t understand why on earth he would say this?

gb110430 · 9th August 2007, 20:57

from my experience the actual knowledge of car sales people i severely lacking. It seems very few now coming trends of upgrades to spec nor models.

Im not saying all, but even a avid reader of a car mag will know more.

Sales is all about numbers and volume and often if not always iv known more than sales people in dealerships apart from info they are privvy to like waiting times for a car.

Also reading this forum you learn so much and sellers often learn of things when they get an email from head office

FWH · 9th August 2007, 20:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by gb110430

from my experience the actual knowledge of car sales people i severely lacking. It seems very few now coming trends of upgrades to spec nor models.

Im not saying all, but even a avid reader of a car mag will know more.

Sales is all about numbers and volume and often if not always iv known more than sales people in dealerships apart from info they are privvy to like waiting times for a car.

Also reading this forum you learn so much and sellers often learn of things when they get an email from head office

Oh yes!
I agree with all of the above.
And most of them are not only ignorant, but also arrogant, a combination which I don´t care too much for.

But in this case, the sales guy is saying that the product is bad!
They don´t usually do that....

Power_of_Dreams · 24th August 2007, 21:20

140bhp from factory, there *can* be a variance of upto +/- 10%

smurf79 · 26th August 2007, 21:00

I've heard "rumours" that the output when new is about 140bhp but after the engine has loosened up after about 6000 miles the ouput can be 155bhp+, sometimes topping 170bhp

czechplastik · 26th August 2007, 23:10

I think 170 would be a little optimistic, although 150 is easily possible, some people have had their car on a rolling road and recorded 148-150bgp.

9th August 2007, 18:59	#1 (permalink)
koenie Valve Cap Join Date: 5th August 2007 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	different power 2.2 diesel engines I'm about to buy a new civic 2.2 i-ctdi in one of the next months. Yesterday, i was told by my own Honda dealer that there's a lot of difference between one 2.2 ictdi and anonther 2.2 ictdi engine. One can have (standard) 160 hp (instead of 140) while another one only has 120 hp. Reason for that should be the settings of the turbo. "you should have some luck" he said.... This seems so un-Honda to me. Anyone any experience ?

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necromant Valve Cap Join Date: 6th October 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	dynoplots that i have seen or heard about were all between 150 and 160 hp...

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gb110430 Wheelnut Join Date: 10th February 2007 Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thats crazy well seems crazy what the dealer is saying

9th August 2007, 20:39	#4 (permalink)
FWH Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 3rd June 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,227 Thanks: 6 Thanked 44 Times in 39 Posts	Sure engines will differ, but a 40hp spread och a 140hp engine? No chance. Not even from Swindon. Ask him for documented tests that verify his statement. I just can´t understand why on earth he would say this?

9th August 2007, 20:57	#5 (permalink)
gb110430 Wheelnut Join Date: 10th February 2007 Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	from my experience the actual knowledge of car sales people i severely lacking. It seems very few now coming trends of upgrades to spec nor models. Im not saying all, but even a avid reader of a car mag will know more. Sales is all about numbers and volume and often if not always iv known more than sales people in dealerships apart from info they are privvy to like waiting times for a car. Also reading this forum you learn so much and sellers often learn of things when they get an email from head office

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Power_of_Dreams Wheelnut Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: Swindon Posts: 95 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	140bhp from factory, there can be a variance of upto +/- 10%

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smurf79 Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 10th August 2007 Location: Bolton, England Posts: 359 Thanks: 8 Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts	I've heard "rumours" that the output when new is about 140bhp but after the engine has loosened up after about 6000 miles the ouput can be 155bhp+, sometimes topping 170bhp

26th August 2007, 23:10	#9 (permalink)
czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think 170 would be a little optimistic, although 150 is easily possible, some people have had their car on a rolling road and recorded 148-150bgp.