Transmission I-Shift........Diagnosis and update!!

[spanish boy]

I have my car up for sale, and as usual when you decide to sell them they suddenly don't start to run as well........

It just seemed a little hesitant......almost like a spark plug on its way out.......the fuel consumption has also dropped by about 15%

Took it into Avonvale this am.......after running diagnostics it came back that the i-shift required a new idle learn.........would take about 2 hours and cost £204.00...........not covered by the Honda used car guarantee........

Ive just driven home.........30 miles, its perfect and the fuel consumption was 46mpg

Now writing a letter to Honda asking for £204 back!!

Another learning

Regards all

Juan

[delta0]

The ishift has nothing to do with the idle it is simply the gear change and clutch system.

Perhaps i miss understood but they fixed the problem and you want your money back?

[Freddie]

Originally Posted by delta0

The ishift has nothing to do with the idle it is simply the gear change and clutch system.

Perhaps i miss understood but they fixed the problem and you want your money back?

I am assuming he is asking for a good will gesture if its a part that shouldnt need replacing within a certain age/mileage,
we got Vauxhall to pay for 60% of a bill when the heater failed in a 5 year old car with less than 28000 miles on it,

[spanish boy]

Spot on Freddie.........to me a used car guarantee should cover software just as much as it covers hardware........if my wheel bearing had failed it wouldnt have cost me penny......

Regards all

Juan

[spanish boy]

delta0, the invoice says:

"carry out full diagnosis and found I-Shift requires new idle learn"

I'll take their word for it, they solved the problem

Regards all

John

[delta0]

Yep. Get the money back. I shift does not control the idle. The control it has on the throttle is when the gear change occurs.

[victoras_h]

Hi everyone,

I don't mean to hijack this thread but I have a question regarding the I-Shift software updates and didn't want to create a new one just for that.

I might be getting a 2008 civic from a local Honda dealer and from the info around the wiki I understood that also in 2008 there was a new software revision released for the I-Shift transmission. I really want to get the latest possible update but I do not trust what the dealer says. I am almost certain that they will say it's already up to date, or that they don't have the updates. (I live in Romania, here people choose to go the "easy" way... not helping others).

Is there a way for me to find out which software version is in place? I would be willing to buy some sort of interface so I could see the error and sensor codes on my laptop for example. Would this be possible?

[delta0]

The most obvious features of the update are the drastically improved gear change time and when you try to accelerate suddenly from 10mph it won't try and change down to 1st gear. I'm sure the software version could be checked by a person that maps engines.

[bodgerx]

Originally Posted by spanish boy

delta0, the invoice says:

"carry out full diagnosis and found I-Shift requires new idle learn"

I'll take their word for it, they solved the problem

Regards all

John

The idle learn is a procedure they will do to recalibrate it. This is can be done on all Civics. Without knowing the details of your warranty, how old the car is and how many miles you have, there is no way to judge if this is fair or unfair...

[spanish boy]

2008 with 57500 on the clock, Honda Used Car Warranty.........I've checked the small print and can see no reason as to why I should have had to pay for this........I await their answer!!

I sold the car today and have an automatic Civic coming my way in around 10 days, it will be interesting to see the difference between an i-drive and a full auto

Regards all

Juan

[delta0]

Originally Posted by spanish boy

2008 with 57500 on the clock, Honda Used Car Warranty.........I've checked the small print and can see no reason as to why I should have had to pay for this........I await their answer!!

I sold the car today and have an automatic Civic coming my way in around 10 days, it will be interesting to see the difference between an i-drive and a full auto

Regards all

Juan

The slush box is a bit different as it is an auto rather than an automated manual like an ishift. You lose a bit of performance and mpg but it is what you are comfortable with that is important. As your previous car was from 2008 it is out of warranty, you have not said how long your used car cover lasted either.

[Kremmen]

Originally Posted by spanish boy

2008 with 57500 on the clock, Honda Used Car Warranty.........I've checked the small print and can see no reason as to why I should have had to pay for this........I await their answer!!

I sold the car today and have an automatic Civic coming my way in around 10 days, it will be interesting to see the difference between an i-drive and a full auto

Regards all

Juan

I can answer that having had both, the full auto is considerably better, more predictable, and gives a far better driving experience.
I can also state that like for like the i-shift was only 2 mpg better. That was calculated when both cars had done 26k which is when I p/x'd the i-shift.

[spanish boy]

delta, warranty runs until June 2013

Kremmen, I would have kept the other car if not for the idrive..........it annoyed me more and more each week, shocking piece of kit.

Regards all

Juan

[delta0]

Originally Posted by spanish boy

delta, warranty runs until June 2013

Kremmen, I would have kept the other car if not for the idrive..........it annoyed me more and more each week, shocking piece of kit.

Regards all

Juan

That must be the used car cover? It appears you did not have the latest software on your ishift that dramatically improves it.

[Kremmen]

Originally Posted by delta0

That must be the used car cover? It appears you did not have the latest software on your ishift that dramatically improves it.

The latest update I had on my i-shift before it went would have been circa July/August 2009..... and it was still absolutely hopeless.

I'm not at all surprised Honda dropped it and went full auto. I bet their inside knowledge and growing complaints led to that move.

[delta0]

Originally Posted by Kremmen

The latest update I had on my i-shift before it went would have been circa July/August 2009..... and it was still absolutely hopeless.

I'm not at all surprised Honda dropped it and went full auto. I bet their inside knowledge and growing complaints led to that move.

I have an update from 2011 and there is even a 2012 one for later cars. The reason for dropping it is to appease the traditional auto lovers. I am not an auto lover so I prefer the automated manual. I will likely buy a CTR next and will take that in manual or an automated manual system (if Honda pursue the DSG systems for this car).

[Kremmen]

Highly unlikely Honda will go back to automated manual IMO.

If they do then I'm off elsewhere.

I can drive my full auto in a manner that passengers cannot detect when the gear has changed, try that with an i-shift from standstill.

[NE1L]

Originally Posted by Kremmen

I can drive my full auto in a manner that passengers cannot detect when the gear has changed, try that with an i-shift from standstill.

Think the clue is in the name though.

It's an automated manual NOT AN AUTO!!!!

Some people really need to understand the difference.

Do you stick Unleaded in your Diesel and then complain that it doesn't run like a petrol car or vice versa. You can't expect something to behave like something it isn't.

I love the I-Shift. Best of both worlds in terms of manual and automatic but then again I am not expecting it to grow legs and play a round of golf down the local club. My expectations are for it to behave like the automated manual that it is. Which it does well.

[delta0]

Originally Posted by Kremmen

Highly unlikely Honda will go back to automated manual IMO.

If they do then I'm off elsewhere.

I can drive my full auto in a manner that passengers cannot detect when the gear has changed, try that with an i-shift from standstill.

As VW do, i expect they will offer both in future. Automated manual for the performance route to go with the manual and then also an auto for others that prefer it. Not detecting a gear change is not what a manual or automated manual is trying to do.

[Kremmen]

Originally Posted by delta0

As VW do, i expect they will offer both in future. Automated manual for the performance route to go with the manual and then also an auto for others that prefer it. Not detecting a gear change is not what a manual or automated manual is trying to do.

Exactly, but the original advertising stated it was and I was sucked in