Tuning pipercross panel air filter - Page 2

TTDegs · 24th September 2007, 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtidan

Are Pipercross filters oiled?

it would appear that at least some are.

But I can't find anywhere selling one for our Civics (but then I don't have Javorb's connections

), so I can't confirm one way or the other. Sorry!

Unknownsoldier · 24th September 2007, 16:49

All K&N filters are, and I believe Pipercross oil them to some degree (I believe as theirs are foam (?) they have oil in the to catch dust particles). I must say on my BMW I did notice a fair difference on top end (I.e motorway pull and a better MPG), mine was 2.2 petrol though, from diesels I hear there isn't much gain.

Tom

robbo51 · 24th September 2007, 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTDegs

so that's..... 2bhp or 1 bhp for the air filter then.
or 6 bhp for a full blown induction kit (with ducting)

I gather you wont be getting one then!!
Thankyou for pointing out that it makes a small difference and thankyou for supporting those of us that DO wish to get one.
Do we start a new thread to get a list going TTDegs?
Please advise. Your wisdom will be most appreciated

BTW, they wont knacker the MAF because the oil is only a thin film.

kamshaft · 24th September 2007, 19:34

dose anyone know how much the standard filter for the 2.2 is, i just want to know if the pipercross is worth the price. cheers

robbo51 · 24th September 2007, 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamshaft

dose anyone know how much the standard filter for the 2.2 is, i just want to know if the pipercross is worth the price. cheers

IMO it IS worth it. It allows more air through, so thats worth it surely

TTDegs · 24th September 2007, 22:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbo51

I gather you wont be getting one then!!
Thankyou for pointing out that it makes a small difference and thankyou for supporting those of us that DO wish to get one.
Do we start a new thread to get a list going TTDegs?
Please advise. Your wisdom will be most appreciated

BTW, they wont knacker the MAF because the oil is only a thin film.

LOL - no I won't robbo, but there again, I'm certainly not going to stop you if you want to

Equally though when people are asking 'what is a panel filter?' (and there is nothing wrong with that), then it's fairly obvious that they are not going to know the advantages or disadvantages of fitting one

Will a new panel filter allow more air in? yes
Is this going to give more power? the stats would say 'yes'
Will it sound faster - almost certainly yes
Will you notice? 1 or 2 bhp out of 140 odd - personally my inbuilt power measurer ("does-it-feel-faster-ometer") isn't accurate to that degree

But others might be

Ta for the update on the oil / MAF thing - like I mentioned, it could well have been down to complete numptiness on the part of the owners - they could have sprayed them with wd40 for all I know

I originally moved the posts saying 'yes please' out of javorb's tuning box thread, but then this one turned into a discussion too...

But at least all the 'me too's are in the same place now

If this thread starts to wander ever further away from a list of names, I'll chop the 'yes's out into a new thread in the Buying section, which is probably where it should be

smurf79 · 24th September 2007, 23:22

Count me in for one. I've had K&N filters fitted to 3 previous cars and noticed an difference to performance and MPg every time.
Citroen C4 2.0HDi (K&N panel filter) MPG went from 46 to 50, bhp went from 138 to 142.
VW Bora 1.9 TDi (K&N Induction Kit) MPg went from 47 to 58, bhp went from 130 to 140 and the exhaust note sounded deeper due to the induction kit.
Renault Laguna 3.0 V6 petrol (K&N panel filter) MPG went from 27 to 33, bhp went from 210 to 215

Wouldn't hesitate in getting one for my Honda. Would rather have an induction kit than a panel filter as there are greater gains and the exhaust note sounds better

robbo51 · 25th September 2007, 07:30

Javiorb:
I'll start a new thread under 'Group buy' in the 'For Sale' Section

kissifer1972 · 25th September 2007, 22:58

Was reliably informed by a specialist diesel mechanic years ago that diesels rely on a good air filter more than petrol engines. I have serviced my own cars for years and he told me to replace the air filter at every service or fit a K%N or equivalent. Fitted K&N to my Cavalier 1.7TD, Rover 75 CDT and Discovery TD5. All three of them showed better pick up and better MPG after. You won't notice massive power gains but I think, if I understand my mechanic friend right, you won't lose power as the filter clogs, the power will be consistent and not lesson as the next service looms.

For warranty reasons won't be servicing this one for a couple of years.

One little point, would the fitting of a non-genuine part, such as an induction kit or performance filter, affect your warranty?

Chris

czechplastik · 26th September 2007, 02:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by kissifer1972

One little point, would the fitting of a non-genuine part, such as an induction kit or performance filter, affect your warranty?

Chris

More than likely, it's also considered a 'mod' by your insurance company.

The small gains don't make it worthwhile for me.

robbo51 · 26th September 2007, 07:12

I declared it on my last car and it put up the insurance by £3 per annum. + I asked the dealer about it and he wasnt bothered at all. There really is no big deal here. If you want one get your name down in the group buy, if not, thats fine too. Thankyou for your input

Pottsy · 30th October 2007, 21:44

Bumpety bump!

We need more names...

kskanoy · 5th November 2007, 16:21

can foreigners buy? i'm from norway and very interested!

sushi_chef · 5th November 2007, 16:24

You can definately count me in!

robbo51 · 5th November 2007, 16:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by kskanoy

can foreigners buy? i'm from norway and very interested!

Definate

kskanoy · 5th November 2007, 17:12

sorry for my bad english but I didn't understand that...

robbo51 · 5th November 2007, 17:16

Sorry. I mean you CAN get one. It will be posted to you
SIGN HERE:
http://www.civinfo.com/forum/sale-wa...-2-2-ctdi.html

kskanoy · 5th November 2007, 17:33

Then i have signed in

Hope we get 30 then

Nadz · 6th November 2007, 13:36

would this fit the 1.8?

robbo51 · 10th November 2007, 19:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nadz

would this fit the 1.8?

No. Its just for the diesel. Sorry

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24th September 2007, 16:49	#22 (permalink)
Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,453 Thanks: 56 Thanked 26 Times in 24 Posts iTrader: (0)	All K&N filters are, and I believe Pipercross oil them to some degree (I believe as theirs are foam (?) they have oil in the to catch dust particles). I must say on my BMW I did notice a fair difference on top end (I.e motorway pull and a better MPG), mine was 2.2 petrol though, from diesels I hear there isn't much gain. Tom

24th September 2007, 19:34	#24 (permalink)
kamshaft Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 27th April 2007 Posts: 140 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	dose anyone know how much the standard filter for the 2.2 is, i just want to know if the pipercross is worth the price. cheers

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smurf79 Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 10th August 2007 Location: Bolton, England Posts: 374 Thanks: 8 Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts iTrader: (1)	Count me in for one. I've had K&N filters fitted to 3 previous cars and noticed an difference to performance and MPg every time. Citroen C4 2.0HDi (K&N panel filter) MPG went from 46 to 50, bhp went from 138 to 142. VW Bora 1.9 TDi (K&N Induction Kit) MPg went from 47 to 58, bhp went from 130 to 140 and the exhaust note sounded deeper due to the induction kit. Renault Laguna 3.0 V6 petrol (K&N panel filter) MPG went from 27 to 33, bhp went from 210 to 215 Wouldn't hesitate in getting one for my Honda. Would rather have an induction kit than a panel filter as there are greater gains and the exhaust note sounds better

25th September 2007, 07:30	#28 (permalink)
robbo51 Diesel of course Civinfo guru Join Date: 1st July 2007 Location: Bingley, W.Yorks Posts: 3,119 Thanks: 48 Thanked 41 Times in 38 Posts iTrader: (0)	Javiorb: I'll start a new thread under 'Group buy' in the 'For Sale' Section

25th September 2007, 22:58	#29 (permalink)
kissifer1972 Wheelnut Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Was reliably informed by a specialist diesel mechanic years ago that diesels rely on a good air filter more than petrol engines. I have serviced my own cars for years and he told me to replace the air filter at every service or fit a K%N or equivalent. Fitted K&N to my Cavalier 1.7TD, Rover 75 CDT and Discovery TD5. All three of them showed better pick up and better MPG after. You won't notice massive power gains but I think, if I understand my mechanic friend right, you won't lose power as the filter clogs, the power will be consistent and not lesson as the next service looms. For warranty reasons won't be servicing this one for a couple of years. One little point, would the fitting of a non-genuine part, such as an induction kit or performance filter, affect your warranty? Chris

26th September 2007, 07:12	#31 (permalink)
robbo51 Diesel of course Civinfo guru Join Date: 1st July 2007 Location: Bingley, W.Yorks Posts: 3,119 Thanks: 48 Thanked 41 Times in 38 Posts iTrader: (0)	I declared it on my last car and it put up the insurance by £3 per annum. + I asked the dealer about it and he wasnt bothered at all. There really is no big deal here. If you want one get your name down in the group buy, if not, thats fine too. Thankyou for your input

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kskanoy Valve Cap Join Date: 16th July 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	can foreigners buy? i'm from norway and very interested!

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kskanoy Valve Cap Join Date: 16th July 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Then i have signed in Hope we get 30 then

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Nadz Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 22nd June 2006 Location: Paisley Posts: 172 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	would this fit the 1.8?