Fuel Bio deisel??

longpig · 19th November 2007, 15:52

Does anybody know where Honda stand on the use of Bio deisel ?
I believe it can be made legally and costs Circa 20p per litre!!!!!
I know of people that have used it in farm machinery without any ill effects (To Date) But am Reluctant to fill my 2.2 with it !!! Moggies deisel is bad enough! @ £1.1p per litre ?????----The geinie is out of the bottle now unless protests begin again!!

Essexboy · 19th November 2007, 17:11

Read the manual.... it says NO!

robbo51 · 19th November 2007, 17:33

De man from Honda...he say non!!
Mind you, they're only protecting their warranty.
Biodiesel works fine in diesels.
Eventually all manufacturers will wake up to this, even Honda!!!

GHGH · 19th November 2007, 17:55

For the time being, I don't really see the advantage with large scale production of bio-diesel.
Present tecnology use fatty oils = FOOD to make the precoius liquid.
One of my friends is leading a project aiming to develop a cost effective way of making bio-diesel from celluloce = WOOD, and then I will become interested.

Essexboy · 19th November 2007, 17:58

Ironically the rush to biofuel is an enviromental disaster

All that is happening is people are cutting down huge swaths of rain forest to replace it with palm oil groves so they can produce biofuel.

This is in no way good for the environment.

GHGH · 19th November 2007, 18:13

Exactly.

Korkut Varol · 19th November 2007, 19:15

And you can feel the odour of french fries from the car in front. Worse if it is a truck...

Unknownsoldier · 19th November 2007, 20:50

All this global warming is just junk (in theory the world should be warming up, the ice caps etc. are left over from the last Ice age and so it is logical they wouldn't stay frozen forever.... but hippies and enviromentalists want the world to believe it will be armageddon, so they invest in other schemes [/conspiracy theory rant over]), but I agree, the rainforest being cut down is a bad thing, I think they look nice and harbour cute monkeys, etc.!!!

T

civicfan · 19th November 2007, 20:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by longpig

Does anybody know where Honda stand on the use of Bio deisel ?
I believe it can be made legally and costs Circa 20p per litre!!!!!
I know of people that have used it in farm machinery without any ill effects (To Date) But am Reluctant to fill my 2.2 with it !!! Moggies deisel is bad enough! @ £1.1p per litre ?????----The geinie is out of the bottle now unless protests begin again!!

Don't do it - there are 2 reasons, one unimportant (it's not legal

) and one very important: you will ruin your injection pump, your turbo and God knows what else, because biodiesel is an acidic ester which means it is corrosive and dissolving gaskets. I have heard of some clever taxi drivers mixing it with diesel 50:50 but even that will work only with a 15-20 year old diesel (no hi-pressure common rail, no turbo) and only in summer - try to put a bottle of vegetable oil in a fridge and you'll see why

Essexboy · 19th November 2007, 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by civicfan

one unimportant (it's not legal

)

In the UK it is no longer illegal to use biodiesel, there is a limit but it's pretty high I think. There are other posts on this if you do a search.

Craig_1983 · 19th November 2007, 23:02

don't believe it ever was illegal - as long as you declared it and paid tax on it.
recently the law has changed allowing you to produce a certain quantity without declaring it.

civicfan · 20th November 2007, 13:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Essexboy

In the UK it is no longer illegal to use biodiesel, there is a limit but it's pretty high I think. There are other posts on this if you do a search.

but after you pay tax for it (and only then it is legal) it is by far not that cheap - anyway, technically it doesn't make sense in such modern engines

Essexboy · 20th November 2007, 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by civicfan

but after you pay tax for it (and only then it is legal) it is by far not that cheap - anyway, technically it doesn't make sense in such modern engines

Nope you now don't have to pay duty!

Before it was illegal to run any vehicle on UK roads which had not paid duty on the fuel, that is now not the case! But only upto a certain level, to stop lorries doing it...

Essexboy · 20th November 2007, 15:07

See the link -

Diesel for 9p per litre

longpig · 20th November 2007, 16:45

Certainly opened a spirited debate there EH? From putting it into an old tractor-- to orangutans and lemurs and stuff!!
Yes! my understanding is that you can manufacture quite a quantity ( Not denuding Borneo) without attracting the attentions of the revenue men. How this output is measurable is a mystery but Hey Ho!!
Having had problems with wax esters in the past ( Watch out for some fish dishes) I will avoid them!! The oil used is filtered frying oil that would otherwise find its way into the sewers where it forms wonderful sculptures embellished with condoms razorblades and hypodermics A tribute to the fast food outlets that dont dispose of correctly, so it can be viewed as a service to society. If it assumed a pecuniary value as it will then be saved for the"FAT MAN" instead of guggling off down the sink!!!
I will stick to Moggies diesel and bite the bullet as prices inch inexorably towards the £1.50 litre????? Better that than the beguiling aroma of donuts and fish ever wafting in your wake.

TTDegs · 20th November 2007, 23:33

mate of mine from work (now moved away*) used to run his Land Rover (old sytle proper one, not one of these new soft roader boxes) on refined chip oil

He once spent several hours explaining to me the entire process

All very interesting, and he paid virtually nothing for his fuel, all 100% legit

And his 'Landy' was more than happy on it

Wouldn't recommend it for the Civ though

* this had nothing to do with the smell. Apparently

GHGH · 21st November 2007, 07:31

Taking care of used cooking oil is really a good thing.
Problem rises when you are shall mix in a fraction of biodiesel on a regular basis because of the huge amount needed.

My sources says that annual UK diesel consumption (road transport) is ca. 20 million tonnes, or more than 20 000 million litres diesel.
If you're mixing in 5% biodiesel, you'll you will need more than 1000 million litres of cooking oil. Or chop down rain forest replacing it with palm plantations producing the "cooking oi"l.

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longpig Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 9th October 2007 Location: south merseyside Posts: 54 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	aggro culture? Certainly opened a spirited debate there EH? From putting it into an old tractor-- to orangutans and lemurs and stuff!! Yes! my understanding is that you can manufacture quite a quantity ( Not denuding Borneo) without attracting the attentions of the revenue men. How this output is measurable is a mystery but Hey Ho!! Having had problems with wax esters in the past ( Watch out for some fish dishes) I will avoid them!! The oil used is filtered frying oil that would otherwise find its way into the sewers where it forms wonderful sculptures embellished with condoms razorblades and hypodermics A tribute to the fast food outlets that dont dispose of correctly, so it can be viewed as a service to society. If it assumed a pecuniary value as it will then be saved for the"FAT MAN" instead of guggling off down the sink!!! I will stick to Moggies diesel and bite the bullet as prices inch inexorably towards the £1.50 litre????? Better that than the beguiling aroma of donuts and fish ever wafting in your wake.

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robbo51 On holiday!! Civinfo guru Join Date: 1st July 2007 Location: Bingley, W.Yorks Posts: 3,092 Thanks: 47 Thanked 40 Times in 37 Posts	De man from Honda...he say non!! Mind you, they're only protecting their warranty. Biodiesel works fine in diesels. Eventually all manufacturers will wake up to this, even Honda!!!

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GHGH Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 941 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	For the time being, I don't really see the advantage with large scale production of bio-diesel. Present tecnology use fatty oils = FOOD to make the precoius liquid. One of my friends is leading a project aiming to develop a cost effective way of making bio-diesel from celluloce = WOOD, and then I will become interested.

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Essexboy Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 9th June 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 179 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Ironically the rush to biofuel is an enviromental disaster All that is happening is people are cutting down huge swaths of rain forest to replace it with palm oil groves so they can produce biofuel. This is in no way good for the environment.

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GHGH Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 941 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Exactly.

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Korkut Varol Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 31st October 2006 Location: Ankara, Turkey Posts: 461 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	And you can feel the odour of french fries from the car in front. Worse if it is a truck...

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Craig_1983 Valve Cap Join Date: 20th October 2007 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	don't believe it ever was illegal - as long as you declared it and paid tax on it. recently the law has changed allowing you to produce a certain quantity without declaring it.

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Essexboy Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 9th June 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 179 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	See the link - Diesel for 9p per litre

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	mate of mine from work (now moved away) used to run his Land Rover (old sytle proper one, not one of these new soft roader boxes) on refined chip oil He once spent several hours explaining to me the entire process All very interesting, and he paid virtually nothing for his fuel, all 100% legit And his 'Landy' was more than happy on it Wouldn't recommend it for the Civ though this had nothing to do with the smell. Apparently

21st November 2007, 07:31	#17 (permalink)
GHGH Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 941 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Taking care of used cooking oil is really a good thing. Problem rises when you are shall mix in a fraction of biodiesel on a regular basis because of the huge amount needed. My sources says that annual UK diesel consumption (road transport) is ca. 20 million tonnes, or more than 20 000 million litres diesel. If you're mixing in 5% biodiesel, you'll you will need more than 1000 million litres of cooking oil. Or chop down rain forest replacing it with palm plantations producing the "cooking oi"l.