****huge Sale***xenon Hid Conversion Kits****spring Special****

[Vision Performance]

Hi Guys,

As a Spring special for all those dark and dreary nights we are offering a ONE OFF winter special where YOU can save HUGE amounts off our amazing HID Xenon conversion Kits!!
These are not the usual cheap kits and come with a full comprehensive 2 YEAR WARRANTY!!

We have recently succesfully completed many group buys on various forums, including, UKMKIV's, GTR.co.uk, Scoobynet, etc....

Now we are offering you guys this AMAZING DEAL!!


About Us
At Vision Performance we pride ourselves on the quality of our products and our customer service. We use our products on our own cars, from HID Kits, LED side lights, Blitz, HKS, Stoptech and other performance parts. We stand by our products and our customers.
We are true petrol heads and our love of cars has spilled over to allow us to work in an industry which we truly enjoy! We provide a friendly car modding service and can also provide remapping on our Dyno Dynamics 4WD dyno.
Have the Vision Performance experience.......a difference you can see.



Features
»Higher light output combined with lower power consumption. A 35W HID light produces up to 3 times the lumens and more closely approximates the color temperature of natural daylight than a 55W halogen bulb.
»Greater visibility. The combination of more light output and whiter color make for better visibility in rain, snow and night time driving.
»Longer Life. HID lamps will last on average 10 times as long than halogen bulbs.
»Less Maintenance. Xenon runs cooler than your traditional halogens, therefore it will not melt your housing. This product has been designed to offer higher levels of water and heat resistance
Get wholesales prices. Unbelievable savings. Fits all vehicles which have projector or reflector headlights. Waterproof with weatherproof metal ballasts.
Easy to convert, no cutting of wiring required, needs only 20-40 minutes to install.
On average, 10 times the average life of traditional halogen bulbs.
Greater luminosity: makes it super easy to drive at night and bad weather. German Technology. Japanese Chips.
ISO 9001:2000 & E-mark Certified.
Solid metal Waterproof/Weatherproof ballast.

These kits will fit straight onto all Honda's without any modification, there is a range of colours available from:
43000k, 6000k, 8000k, 10000k

6000k is the most popular and most commonly used.


If you haven't got a Honda and want a kit for a different vehicle then we can provide it for!

SALE PRICE = £65 DELIVERED!!!!


CALL 087 123 00 456
NOW TO PLACE YOUR ORDER!!!!

NEXT DAY DELIVERY!!!!

GUARANTEED UK STOCK!!

CHECK OUR FEEDBACK TO SEE THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT!!

Great seller!!!Buyer: dariuxxs ( 50)
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10-Dec-07 14:20 Xenon Hid Conversion Kit H4 6000K..... UK SELLER! (#150187229786)£65.00View ItemTop Ebayer !!! Many thanks !! A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++aBuyer: roundabouttoys ( 1036)
10-Dec-07 09:07 Xenon Hid Conversion Kit H7 6000K..... UK SELLER! (#15017503563£55.00View Itemtop ebayerBuyer: beario23 ( 148)
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09-Dec-07 08:13 Xenon Hid Conversion Kit H7 6000K..... UK SELLER!

DONT DELAY, GRAB A BARGAIN AS THIS WILL ONLY BE FOR THE SPRING PERIOD!!!

Email any questions to:
Sales@visionperformance.co.uk

Or call us on:
087 123 00 456

[mrh339]

Just not legal.
Department for Transport - Aftermarket HID (Xenon) headlamps
Fact sheet: Aftermarket HID headlamps

December 2006

In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.
The following is the legal rationale:
The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.
However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).
For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.
Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:
1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.
2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).
3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
In practice this means:
1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.
2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.
3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.
Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.
In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.
If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:
Transport Technology and Standards 6
Department for Transport
Zone 2/04
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DR
Telephone: 020 7944 2078
Fax: 020 7944 2196
Email: TTS.enquiries@dft.gsi.gov.uk

[Guitaralmond]

Originally Posted by mrh339

Just not legal.
Department for Transport - Aftermarket HID (Xenon) headlamps
Fact sheet: Aftermarket HID headlamps

December 2006

In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.
The following is the legal rationale:
The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.
However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).
For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.
Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:
1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.
2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).
3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
In practice this means:
1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.
2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.
3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.
Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.
In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.
If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:
Transport Technology and Standards 6
Department for Transport
Zone 2/04
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DR
Telephone: 020 7944 2078
Fax: 020 7944 2196
Email: TTS.enquiries@dft.gsi.gov.uk

Just what i thought..

[HondaRob]

could that be the reason for the "huge sale"...?

[dragonglance]

just what i said the other day :d

[ctrdaveg]

Originally Posted by Vision Performance

Hi Guys,

As a Spring special for all those dark and dreary nights we are offering a ONE OFF winter special where YOU can save HUGE amounts off our amazing HID Xenon conversion Kits!!
These are not the usual cheap kits and come with a full comprehensive 2 YEAR WARRANTY!!

We have recently succesfully completed many group buys on various forums, including, UKMKIV's, GTR.co.uk, Scoobynet, etc....

Now we are offering you guys this AMAZING DEAL!!

Where's your reply to the above comments, Vision Performance ??

[robbo51]

Originally Posted by ctrdaveg

Where's your reply to the above comments, Vision Performance ??

You probably wont get one.
I suspect he's just a Spammer!!!

[Palindrome]

Think thats the last we've heard of them!
Be interesting to see a reply though!!!

[Vision Performance]

Hi Guys ,


No we are not spammers, just haven't had time to visit this thread for a while.

Now the area concerning the legality of HID's has been around for a while, and it is good they have been raised as clarification is required.
While the issues raised by the DVLA have value they are still sitting on the fence as to enforcing.

The first thing we need to understand and look at is the notion of enforcement.

Now within MOT Stations nationwide there are no checks on Retro fitted HID kit's, as they are not required to. All they are required to check as part of the MOT and passing the car as "Legal" to be on the road is the beam and spray pattern of the headlights. New car's manufactured with HID's MUST comply with all of the above that the DVLA have stated. Now begs the question, Is something which is NOT enforced Illegal?..... The DVLA do not want to back the fitting of retro HID kits and in essence ensure that nobody would pay silly amounts of money for factory fitted kits, however they also are sitting on the fence as to enforcing it....

However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

The above statement is a contradiction in itself. At first they say they cannot type approve used vehicles and therefore cannot apply the same rules and regs set out for new vehicles manufactured, yet they then state that retro fitted kits should follow the new vehicles regulations... This is the main reason why They CANNOT enforce this rule.

Now comes the reason why they are illegal and the only issue that is and can be enforced:

the reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.


As above, the only reason they are "Illegal" is due to the notion that the beam and spray pattern will be incorrect. Now if a hid kit is fitted and the spray and beam pattern is perfect according to the "Law" then is it "Illegal"? as the above statement is proven false at the first hurdle, thus nullifying the rest of the statement and regulation....


As I said from the start these Issues have been around for a long time and they will be. There will be consumers who still believe the "hype" and will only upgrade to HID from the manufacturer, however there will also be consumers who understand the law and refuse to be ripped off by manufacturers and upgrade via retro fitting. Other consumers have no choice as the manufacturer did not offer it for their vehicle. We are not really here to debate on what is "legal" and what is not, yet we are here to offer the members of this forum a Great price for some Awesome equipment. This offer is still open and for anyone who wishes to discuss anything with regards to these issues or any other please do not hesitate to contact us on the details below:

Tel: 087 123 00 456

Email: Amir@visionperformance.co.uk


myself and my colleagues will do our utmost to answer any enquiries posted on here, however if we cannot answer in a quick enough time period you are welcome to contact myself or anyone of my colleagues direct.

Amir
Vision Performance

[mrh339]

Amir stop ************. They are illegal. Simple as that. It also illegal to sell these kits so watch out.

[gjackson]

Wow, you could have summed all that up with just yes they are illegal.

The only hype involved in this subject is from yourselves.

[Vision Performance]

Guys relax, as I said if your not interested than that's fine.

mrh339:

That's quite a sweeping comment. What exactly did I say that is ********?....


gjackson:

No I couldn't have. Just a few questions for you to think about which may help you and others who may be thinking about retro fitting HID's.
When does a policy that is not enforced become the Law?
When has there been a single case of prosecution for hid retro fitting?
What Hype am I creating?....


Members of this forum asked for a response as to the legality of HID's and a response was given. If anyone has any valid points of critique than it is welcomed, we are here to help you guys we're not trying to hard sell or spam anything up. If your not interested that's fine, and if you are than you are welcome just the same. I am not trying to start an argument with anyone and neither are we trying to debate anything, the facts are there for everyone to see. Either way the offer is open and welcome to anyone who wishes to participate.

[mrh339]

As above, the only reason they are "Illegal" is due to the notion that the beam and spray pattern will be incorrect. Now if a hid kit is fitted and the spray and beam pattern is perfect according to the "Law" then is it "Illegal"? as the above statement is proven false at the first hurdle, thus nullifying the rest of the statement and regulation....

Grade A bullplop.

[Palindrome]

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:
1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.
2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).
3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
In practice this means:
1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.
2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

No matter how you babble on about fence sitting , it's Illegal!

Nuf Said!

Fair comment mrh339

[mrh339]

Originally Posted by Palindrome

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:
1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.
2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).
3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
In practice this means:
1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.
2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

No matter how you babble on about fence sitting , it's Illegal!

Nuf Said!

Correct!!

[illegalhunter]

who cares if there illegal blind everybody

[TTDegs]

whilst opinions are obviously rather polarised on this issue (and you probably all know where I stand), can I remind everyone about the rules on keeping things civil please?

many thanks all.

[TTDegs]

with that post in mind - Vision, I have two questions if I may please?

1) Are you categorically saying that your kits are legal? And if so (ok, sorry, 2 and a half questions), would you be willing to stand up in a court of law and give expert witness if someone who purchased your kit was either prosecuted for using it, or was about to loose a huge insurance claim due to using it and crashing into someone who claimed to be be blinded by the dazzle?

2) You seem to have been selling these kits for £65 on ebay since at least about December last year. If one of the members in here were to decide to go with your interpretation of the law, and purchase a kit from you, what discount would you have given in your "ONE OFF winter special", (from the first line of the post) and is the "****spring Special****" price (from the thread title) going to be any better?

many thanks for your replies so far.

[TTDegs]

sorry, re-read your earlier post, and had to pick up on this point:

Originally Posted by dft

the reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.

Originally Posted by Vision Performance

As above, the only reason they are "Illegal" is due to the notion that the beam and spray pattern will be incorrect. Now if a hid kit is fitted and the spray and beam pattern is perfect according to the "Law" then is it "Illegal"? as the above statement is proven false at the first hurdle, thus nullifying the rest of the statement and regulation....

ok, with you here, sort of.

IF you fit a HID kit, and the resulting beam and spray pattern is perfect, then I guess you could have the beginings of a case.
Of course, as soon as the person prosecuting you dumps a bag of sand in the boot, you've going to have to start talking pretty quick - but we'll ignore that for now, and stick with the idea that they haven't done that

So. Your theory behind the legality of HID kits (and please correct me if I'm wrong here) is that if the resulting beam and spray is perfect, then how can it be illegal.


And yet, the dft quote states:
If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct

Does this not blow away your theory for why the HID kits are not illegal?

Or are you disputing the dft's statement?

I'm a tad confused...

[TTDegs]

and (sorry!) this one:

Originally Posted by dft

For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

Originally Posted by Vision Performance

The above statement is a contradiction in itself. At first they say they cannot type approve used vehicles and therefore cannot apply the same rules and regs set out for new vehicles manufactured, yet they then state that retro fitted kits should follow the new vehicles regulations... This is the main reason why They CANNOT enforce this rule.

sorry, but you've lost me here even more
They DO say that type approval is only applicable to new vehicles, and therefore can't be applied to after market.
They DON'T mention that they CAN'T apply the same rules and regs to aftermarket though.
In fact, they expressly say that it would be reasonable to do so.

But it's entirely possible that you have a much greater understanding of Type Approval than I have, as I'm just going by the English as it is written, and have no pretentions of any legal background to understand the bits that are implied rather than there in black and white.

I'd welcome some enlightenment from you though, as my head is beginging to buzz somewhat from all this legal talk