Who wants a flip key? - Page 17

csmcqueen · 3rd February 2008, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stef

I also noted that the transponder is connected to the processor.
I am 99% sure that this is to configure the transponder.
Once it is configured it can be removed, since NO power is needed to make the transponder work...

Once I have my Ebay key, I will probably try to remove the transponder if the key does not work

oops missed this post before i posted my question !!!

Marky · 3rd February 2008, 21:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stef

I also noted that the transponder is connected to the processor.
I am 99% sure that this is to configure the transponder.
Once it is configured it can be removed, since NO power is needed to make the transponder work...

Once I have my Ebay key, I will probably try to remove the transponder if the key does not work

still puzzled as the pictures of the accord key show that the transponder is not connected to anything so how is it programmed.

I would have thought that if it is connected there must be a reason like possibly making it more secure somehow ?

Still expensive to just pull off with some pliers in case it does not work. Think I will be sticking with the standard key for now.

mark511915 · 4th February 2008, 08:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marky

still puzzled as the pictures of the accord key show that the transponder is not connected to anything so how is it programmed.

I would have thought that if it is connected there must be a reason like possibly making it more secure somehow ?

Still expensive to just pull off with some pliers in case it does not work. Think I will be sticking with the standard key for now.

IS there no way we could conact someone from honda to help with this ?

Stef · 4th February 2008, 09:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marky

still puzzled as the pictures of the accord key show that the transponder is not connected to anything so how is it programmed.

I would have thought that if it is connected there must be a reason like possibly making it more secure somehow ?

Still expensive to just pull off with some pliers in case it does not work. Think I will be sticking with the standard key for now.

A transponder does not need power to opperate, it uses the car transponder induction field to provide is own power (that is why it is so sensitive for distance).
Transponders can be pre-programmed (like accord one) or can be Reprogrammed like Civic.
I also think that 2006 Accords will have the same type like Civic.

eighteentee · 4th February 2008, 09:27

Damn! I just ordered one of these flip keys off ebay to put me on until the Bentley one's become available. Buggeration!!

Marky · 4th February 2008, 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark511915

IS there no way we could conact someone from honda to help with this ?

Presume as it is not a Honda OEM product they would advise to steer clear and I bet that they would not endorse removing the transponder from the circuit board just to get the flip key working.

Mark

mark511915 · 4th February 2008, 10:38

oh well guess we be patient and see what our chinas come up with !!!! ill hold thumbs !!!!

babyjoe · 4th February 2008, 11:08

If you cut the connection, you can always solder it back on again if it shouldn't work.

eighteentee · 4th February 2008, 12:14

So, in conclusion if you've ordered one off eBay it's next to useless?

Stef · 4th February 2008, 12:20

Just received my Ebay keys.
It does not look too bad, but could be better.
It does look made for the Accord type key, with separate transponder. There is a cavity for the transponder in the front of the key.
Also the Civic internal does not fit exactly, some plastic from the flip key must be removed

I gues I will have to remove the transponder from the Civic key to make a test, cross our fingers.

TYPE_S_GT · 4th February 2008, 12:37

it actually looks quite good, keep us posted on how you get on. As someone has said earlier the transponder does not require any connectors or power you should be able to put it in the cavity and the key "should" work.

csmcqueen · 4th February 2008, 12:38

Now the big question is does the transponder need the main processor of the remote more than once to initially set the code or does it 'roll' every now and again and need the processor again, in any case I suppose you could extend the connections on the transponder and solder to the main board (this is what I would do)

But.... It doesn't make the job easy for the average person and the Bentley type keys.

TYPE_S_GT · 4th February 2008, 13:35

i dont think there are any connectors, i think the bits on the side of the transponder are simply there to hold it in place. i had a remote start clifford on my previous car this required the transponder to be removed from the key and taped inside the steering column. i had it for 4 years and never had any problems.

csmcqueen · 4th February 2008, 13:40

anyone know what model number is on the transponder and I will trace the manufacturer

kamshaft · 4th February 2008, 17:45

that ebay one dose look quite tastey

Robbieee · 4th February 2008, 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stef

Just received my Ebay keys.
It does not look too bad, but could be better.
It does look made for the Accord type key, with separate transponder. There is a cavity for the transponder in the front of the key.
Also the Civic internal does not fit exactly, some plastic from the flip key must be removed

I gues I will have to remove the transponder from the Civic key to make a test, cross our fingers.

Does it feel cheap?

Stef · 4th February 2008, 19:50

The Ebay flip key WORKS.
It will take some skills, you will have to move the transponder out of the original box. The transponder MUST BE WIRED to his original pads. it does NOT work without connection.

So:
1- cut the flip key plastic like in the picture to make the original box perfect fit
2- Check the original transponder position (polarity)
3- Remove the transponder from the original PCB (Use 2 soldering irons, to heat each side, or use a special desoldering tool)
4- Connect 2 small wires to the original transponder pads
5- Solder the wires to the transponder (mind original polarity)
6- Glue the transponder in place as far to the front as possible (cut the flip key transponder cavity )

Hint: put some silicone grease on the flip mechanism.
Pollish the metal key part after cutting.
Good luck

Stef · 4th February 2008, 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbieee

Does it feel cheap?

Just had a VW flip key in my hand and the Ebay one feels same.
I do find the Ebay one a bit too big, it is allmost a mobile phone...
I also think the plastic will scratch easily.

Robbieee · 4th February 2008, 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stef

Just had a VW flip key in my hand and the Ebay one feels same.
I do find the Ebay one a bit too big, it is allmost a mobile phone...
I also think the plastic will scratch easily.

What size is it?!?!

mark511915 · 4th February 2008, 20:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbieee

What size is it?!?!

you can see the size in a previous post ! just need a pic of it open now

i still like the bently !!!

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4th February 2008, 09:27	#325 (permalink)
eighteentee Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 26th September 2007 Location: Clitheroe, UK Posts: 102 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Damn! I just ordered one of these flip keys off ebay to put me on until the Bentley one's become available. Buggeration!!

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mark511915 Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 25th December 2007 Location: durban southafrica Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	oh well guess we be patient and see what our chinas come up with !!!! ill hold thumbs !!!!

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babyjoe Wheelnut Join Date: 1st November 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you cut the connection, you can always solder it back on again if it shouldn't work.

4th February 2008, 12:14	#329 (permalink)
eighteentee Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 26th September 2007 Location: Clitheroe, UK Posts: 102 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So, in conclusion if you've ordered one off eBay it's next to useless?

4th February 2008, 12:37	#331 (permalink)
TYPE_S_GT Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 25th January 2008 Location: Manchester Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	it actually looks quite good, keep us posted on how you get on. As someone has said earlier the transponder does not require any connectors or power you should be able to put it in the cavity and the key "should" work.

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csmcqueen Civic's got Big Booty ! Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 11th January 2008 Location: Corby, Northants, UK Posts: 152 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Now the big question is does the transponder need the main processor of the remote more than once to initially set the code or does it 'roll' every now and again and need the processor again, in any case I suppose you could extend the connections on the transponder and solder to the main board (this is what I would do) But.... It doesn't make the job easy for the average person and the Bentley type keys.

4th February 2008, 13:35	#333 (permalink)
TYPE_S_GT Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 25th January 2008 Location: Manchester Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i dont think there are any connectors, i think the bits on the side of the transponder are simply there to hold it in place. i had a remote start clifford on my previous car this required the transponder to be removed from the key and taped inside the steering column. i had it for 4 years and never had any problems.

4th February 2008, 13:40	#334 (permalink)
csmcqueen Civic's got Big Booty ! Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 11th January 2008 Location: Corby, Northants, UK Posts: 152 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	anyone know what model number is on the transponder and I will trace the manufacturer

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kamshaft Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 27th April 2007 Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	that ebay one dose look quite tastey