: TOWING

SUPERTEACH · 10th September 2006, 11:56

Not a popular subject (will not mention caravans)
Has anyone got a tow bar fitted and if so what is it like as a tow car? (Diesel)

Martin · 10th September 2006, 18:58

Should be good. diesel engine in the CR-V can tow a twin axle caravan with moderate ease.

Towing weight is 1500 kilos on the civic, which is the same as the CR-V.

Hope you aren't a weekend Gypsie though

SUPERTEACH · 10th September 2006, 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin

Should be good. diesel engine in the CR-V can tow a twin axle caravan with moderate ease.

Towing weight is 1500 kilos on the civic, which is the same as the CR-V.

Hope you aren't a weekend Gypsie though

Of course not.
How does a twin axle Rice horse box sound or a Batesons twin axle tipper trailer.

All the figures add up but has anyone actually towed anything yet?

The CRV is excellent in diesel form.

Martin · 10th September 2006, 19:29

Whats a rice horse, and are they so big that you need a box for them????

It should be good, on the torque figures alone

SUPERTEACH · 10th September 2006, 22:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin

Whats a rice horse, and are they so big that you need a box for them????

It should be good, on the torque figures alone

Since 1932 Rice Trailers has been regarded as the natural choice for prestige, hand-built horse trailers.

Are you not a local horse show person then?
Rice Krispies also come in a box?
Does Annika Rice have one?

4 faults at the third triple jump for Southern Male out of PollyAnna etc.

Martin · 11th September 2006, 18:58

Wouldn't know the sharp end of a horse from the blunt one.
Would know the right end of Anika Rice from the wrong one, but that would take an awful lot of beer.
And now you have made me crave rice krispies.

Its Ifor Williams trailers this side of the border, any way.

SUPERTEACH · 11th September 2006, 19:20

OK then. What is the Civic like pulling (the excellent) Ivor Williams single horse box, or tipper?

Bungle · 11th September 2006, 19:32

I don't think anybody has tried it yet; not here at least, anyway. I think it will be you telling us how it copes!

I would imagine the car would be quite capable, the oil buner you have under the bonet is quite a torquey thing, which should make it quite easy. The brakes are good on the car, too, so should cope well.

I want to get a small trailer (<750kg due to new style licence

) which I know the 1.8 will cope fine with. It's the clutch I may start to worry about...

Am I right in thinking the tow bars are removable? I wouldn't want it poking out the back of the car when it's not needed!

Martin · 11th September 2006, 20:53

I should imagine that a horse box, loaded at least is going to be a bit much for a Civic, as I had some people in a few weeks ago, and the CR-V (same tow weight etc) would have struggled with their two horses. That is the only light I can shed on it I'm afraid.

The genuine Honda bars are removable aswell, Bungle.

It Ifor aswell, not like the engine.

SUPERTEACH · 12th September 2006, 19:38

Somebody must have some towing experience with the Civic

323GT-R · 12th September 2006, 20:40

I've got the Bosal tow bar on mine, and have towed my track car on a trailer, it tows really well, and still managed 38mpg!!!

geoff · 13th September 2006, 05:31

just back from france round trip of 1000 miles plenty of power when towing, fuel drops to about 22 mpg on autoroutes 32 mpg on normal roads.
Not a bad car for towing but not the best as it is very light. Had to have the towbar with the removable hitch due to the parking sensors (seems to work loose and rattle)
We had a motorhome and that was not a good drive all rattles and never able to get warm couldn't hear the radio for the background noise.
Can't listen to the radio in the civic for other reasons posted elsewhere

SUPERTEACH · 14th September 2006, 09:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by geoff

just back from france round trip of 1000 miles plenty of power when towing, fuel drops to about 22 mpg on autoroutes 32 mpg on normal roads.
Not a bad car for towing but not the best as it is very light. Had to have the towbar with the removable hitch due to the parking sensors (seems to work loose and rattle)
We had a motorhome and that was not a good drive all rattles and never able to get warm couldn't hear the radio for the background noise.
Can't listen to the radio in the civic for other reasons posted elsewhere

What sort of weight were you towing and is it you with clutch trouble? Is there a connection?

geoff · 14th September 2006, 11:13

the clutch was juddering before i had the tow bar fitted. The caravan weight is about 1200kg honda told me the design towing weight is 1500kg
It is a 2 berth lightweight caravan and we were very careful about not overloading and placing the the weight in the right area's

stu_iow · 17th September 2006, 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by geoff

the clutch was juddering before i had the tow bar fitted. The caravan weight is about 1200kg honda told me the design towing weight is 1500kg
It is a 2 berth lightweight caravan and we were very careful about not overloading and placing the the weight in the right area's

Geoff, i take it you have a diesel engine in it?

The petrol and diesel have came capacities don't they?

Martin · 17th September 2006, 19:31

Both vehicles (petrol and diesel) will tow 1500 KG as a maximum.

The diesel will always be a better tow car as the torque figures are greater

BrianI · 17th September 2006, 20:50

All manufacturers max tow weight are generally based on the ability to restart on a 1 in 8 hill and take no account of stability. The general guidance for towing a caravan is that the laden weight of the caravan should not exceed 85% of the kerb weight of the car. Additionally, if you tow anything more than the car kerbweight, then you need to take an additional driving test if you passed your test after 1 Jan 1997.

The kerb weight of the Civic Sport diesel is 1407Kg so the max caravan laden woight would be 1200Kg. It would be unwise to tow anything over 1407Kg and possibly illegal if you don't have the correct licence. The 1500Kg tow limit is thus just a theoretical limit.

See this
http://www.direct.gov.uk/Motoring/Dr...073&chk=BIZx8Z

Brian

Martin · 17th September 2006, 21:09

Thats absolutely spot on Brian.

All I know is the max figures.

You obviuosly know your onions.

Didn't know it was a license issue aswell though

Bungle · 18th September 2006, 08:04

On new licences (post 97) drivers may only tow a trailer <750kg. DSA call this a small trailer. If you want to tow anything heavier, you must take a test to get a '+E' bit on your car licence.

Also, the maximum weight vehicle new drivers can drive is 3.5T. A new driver cannot tow a small trailer on this as the train weight will exceed 3.5T and it becomes an HGV.

Drivers who passed their test earlier do not have such restrictions, may tow any trailer their vehicle is able to tow, and can drive HGVs up to and including 7.5T.

BrianI · 18th September 2006, 09:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bungle

On new licences (post 97) drivers may only tow a trailer <750kg. DSA call this a small trailer. If you want to tow anything heavier, you must take a test to get a '+E' bit on your car licence.

Also, the maximum weight vehicle new drivers can drive is 3.5T. A new driver cannot tow a small trailer on this as the train weight will exceed 3.5T and it becomes an HGV.

Drivers who passed their test earlier do not have such restrictions, may tow any trailer their vehicle is able to tow, and can drive HGVs up to and including 7.5T.

This is not quite true. The limitations on a new licence is that you can tow up to 3500Kg gross train weight provided that the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle. In reality, this means that only heavy vehicles, like 4x4's towing heavy trailers, need the "+E" bit on their licence.
Brian

10th September 2006, 11:56	#1 (permalink)
SUPERTEACH Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 17th August 2006 Location: Cheshire, England Posts: 629 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	TOWING Not a popular subject (will not mention caravans) Has anyone got a tow bar fitted and if so what is it like as a tow car? (Diesel)

13th September 2006, 05:31	#12 (permalink)
geoff Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 20th May 2006 Posts: 530 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	trip to france just back from france round trip of 1000 miles plenty of power when towing, fuel drops to about 22 mpg on autoroutes 32 mpg on normal roads. Not a bad car for towing but not the best as it is very light. Had to have the towbar with the removable hitch due to the parking sensors (seems to work loose and rattle) We had a motorhome and that was not a good drive all rattles and never able to get warm couldn't hear the radio for the background noise. Can't listen to the radio in the civic for other reasons posted elsewhere

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geoff Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 20th May 2006 Posts: 530 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	clutch judder the clutch was juddering before i had the tow bar fitted. The caravan weight is about 1200kg honda told me the design towing weight is 1500kg It is a 2 berth lightweight caravan and we were very careful about not overloading and placing the the weight in the right area's

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10th September 2006, 18:58	#2 (permalink)
Martin Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 18th August 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 226 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Should be good. diesel engine in the CR-V can tow a twin axle caravan with moderate ease. Towing weight is 1500 kilos on the civic, which is the same as the CR-V. Hope you aren't a weekend Gypsie though

10th September 2006, 19:29	#4 (permalink)
Martin Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 18th August 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 226 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Whats a rice horse, and are they so big that you need a box for them???? It should be good, on the torque figures alone

11th September 2006, 18:58	#6 (permalink)
Martin Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 18th August 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 226 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wouldn't know the sharp end of a horse from the blunt one. Would know the right end of Anika Rice from the wrong one, but that would take an awful lot of beer. And now you have made me crave rice krispies. Its Ifor Williams trailers this side of the border, any way.

11th September 2006, 19:20	#7 (permalink)
SUPERTEACH Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 17th August 2006 Location: Cheshire, England Posts: 629 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	OK then. What is the Civic like pulling (the excellent) Ivor Williams single horse box, or tipper?

11th September 2006, 19:32	#8 (permalink)
Bungle Rocketship door handle Join Date: 3rd July 2006 Location: SE London/Kent Posts: 1,217 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't think anybody has tried it yet; not here at least, anyway. I think it will be you telling us how it copes! I would imagine the car would be quite capable, the oil buner you have under the bonet is quite a torquey thing, which should make it quite easy. The brakes are good on the car, too, so should cope well. I want to get a small trailer (<750kg due to new style licence ) which I know the 1.8 will cope fine with. It's the clutch I may start to worry about... Am I right in thinking the tow bars are removable? I wouldn't want it poking out the back of the car when it's not needed!

11th September 2006, 20:53	#9 (permalink)
Martin Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 18th August 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 226 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I should imagine that a horse box, loaded at least is going to be a bit much for a Civic, as I had some people in a few weeks ago, and the CR-V (same tow weight etc) would have struggled with their two horses. That is the only light I can shed on it I'm afraid. The genuine Honda bars are removable aswell, Bungle. It Ifor aswell, not like the engine.

12th September 2006, 19:38	#10 (permalink)
SUPERTEACH Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 17th August 2006 Location: Cheshire, England Posts: 629 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Somebody must have some towing experience with the Civic

12th September 2006, 20:40	#11 (permalink)
323GT-R Wheelnut Join Date: 2nd September 2006 Location: Warrington Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I've got the Bosal tow bar on mine, and have towed my track car on a trailer, it tows really well, and still managed 38mpg!!!

17th September 2006, 19:31	#16 (permalink)
Martin Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 18th August 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 226 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Both vehicles (petrol and diesel) will tow 1500 KG as a maximum. The diesel will always be a better tow car as the torque figures are greater

17th September 2006, 20:50	#17 (permalink)
BrianI Valve Cap Join Date: 4th June 2006 Location: Warwickshire, UK Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	All manufacturers max tow weight are generally based on the ability to restart on a 1 in 8 hill and take no account of stability. The general guidance for towing a caravan is that the laden weight of the caravan should not exceed 85% of the kerb weight of the car. Additionally, if you tow anything more than the car kerbweight, then you need to take an additional driving test if you passed your test after 1 Jan 1997. The kerb weight of the Civic Sport diesel is 1407Kg so the max caravan laden woight would be 1200Kg. It would be unwise to tow anything over 1407Kg and possibly illegal if you don't have the correct licence. The 1500Kg tow limit is thus just a theoretical limit. See this http://www.direct.gov.uk/Motoring/Dr...073&chk=BIZx8Z Brian

17th September 2006, 21:09	#18 (permalink)
Martin Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 18th August 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 226 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thats absolutely spot on Brian. All I know is the max figures. You obviuosly know your onions. Didn't know it was a license issue aswell though

18th September 2006, 08:04	#19 (permalink)
Bungle Rocketship door handle Join Date: 3rd July 2006 Location: SE London/Kent Posts: 1,217 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	On new licences (post 97) drivers may only tow a trailer <750kg. DSA call this a small trailer. If you want to tow anything heavier, you must take a test to get a '+E' bit on your car licence. Also, the maximum weight vehicle new drivers can drive is 3.5T. A new driver cannot tow a small trailer on this as the train weight will exceed 3.5T and it becomes an HGV. Drivers who passed their test earlier do not have such restrictions, may tow any trailer their vehicle is able to tow, and can drive HGVs up to and including 7.5T.