Auris owners and Civic

[Unknownsoldier]

I looked at the Auris, opened the door got in, looked (counted to 3), got out and never looked back (binned the brochure without even reading it). I honestly hated it without even looking at the engine, must admit it could have been faster than McC' F1 and I still wouldn't have test driven it.

It felt cheap, nasty, and badly made (much in the same way as SSSSSSanyong looks like someone desgined it over the phone, Clarkson was right on that one), the centre console is awful, the seats felt like they weren't made properly and the interior was for the driver terribly laid out. Really not one that was going to win me over anytime soon.

ATB,
Tom

[Unknownsoldier]

Originally Posted by TTDegs

without wishing to cause ANY offence to the owners of that forum, doesn't it make you appreciate that we have Pottsy running this one?


Jazzman - count me three

Boy Yes, that forum is almost [censored by me].

Tom

[coolice]

Hey All,

I'm gonna upset you all Nah I'm only teasing ya.

Basically at the moment I am doing my homework, checking out what new cars are available as I fancy a change from my current car. Ok, it's a Peugeot 307 XSI (petrol) that I drive now and before you say it, no I think it's a great car and is infact my 3rd Pug. Ok it's build quality isn't probably as good as some but then again neither was the Civic to start with from the sound of things.

Due to work and the need to drive places I am looking into high power diesels, 2 of which are the Civic being one and the Auris SR180 being the other.

Now I will say that in reality both cars mentioned here seem to have their problems/issues, the Civic perhaps more so due to it being out slightly longer compared to the Auris. More will surface as owners get used to the cars I am sure and so it's hard to call one inferior over the other.

Now I am sure this will start a debate as to which car is the best, wait till you test drive them etc. etc. and indeed once I do actually sit in either car things will become clearer but for now their pretty equal.

Having said that the Auris does have one up on the Civic in the power & torque department. With 180bhp & 400Nm of torque you cant deny it's good, but you pay for this in insurance costs over the Civic.

Now I haven't set out to start a riot, but I thought it would be fun to join in as this topic as it has some witty comments in it.

Ian

[damianscott71]

Originally Posted by LNT

Having had a 5 door for a while at work, the rear view is pretty awful. But I suppose it's one of those things that you get used to, and sacrifice for the greater good of the car itself.

To be honest, I think the all round view is awful, you can't see the end of the bonnet or any of the corners. Plus there are huge blindspots on the C-Pillars..... The number of times that I've almost broad-sided a car whilst pulling out of a motorway sliproad..... ARGH!

I still love my car though.

It's a pity that too many old people seem to love Civics too. Honda thought they'd attract more young customers with their new car.... Unfortunately they didn't manage to plonk all of their OAP customer base into new Jazz's..... Or even Auris'!

D
p.s. (I'm 36 by the way!) And before anybody over 45 tries to tell me that they love their Honda Civic, and have as much right as anybody else to drive the car of their choosing.... DON'T! It's as ridiculous as seeing fat people in MacDonalds dressed in sportswear and trainers.

I await your torrent of abuse!

[damianscott71]

Originally Posted by coolice

Having said that the Auris does have one up on the Civic in the power & torque department. With 180bhp & 400Nm of torque you cant deny it's good, but you pay for this in insurance costs over the Civic.

Hi Ian,

The 180bhp engine in the Auris is the same as the Avensis and the Lexus is220d if I'm not mistaken. I don't know if you're aware that there has been a huge recall on this engine, as they were using LOTs of oil and were becoming highly unreliable...

Also, the car didn't get a great review in Autoexpress (or one of the other car mags that I read), but the performance figures are quite compelling!

It was explained to me by the apprentice at the local Honda dealership's service depot that the 2.2 i-cdti was detuned so as not to detract from the percieved sportiness of the Type-R. Now, I know that a lot of 17yr olds are full of cr@p, but Honda apprentices spend lots of time being trained in Swindon, and having spoken to his manager, this young lad is getting top marks in all of his apprenticeship exams. He lives, eats, breathes and .....'s Honda, so I've no real reason to disbelieve him.

This suggestion is born out by the fact that so many people on the forum have had their car's remapped to 190bhp, 500nm torque. I mean, 138bhp from a modern 2.2 litre diesel is pretty weedy, right?

Having a remapped car myself, I can attest that it's quick, torquey, economical(ish), sporty, comfortable, practical, and most importantly, reliable. I've never had to miss a day's work because it didn't start, or because something fell off. Unlike my Golf MK5 2.0GT TDI, that I had previously. If you've got one of those on your list of cars to consider, I'd say scrub it out mate!

Damian

[cb550]

Originally Posted by damianscott71

To be honest, I think the all round view is awful, you can't see the end of the bonnet or any of the corners. Plus there are huge blindspots on the C-Pillars..... The number of times that I've almost broad-sided a car whilst pulling out of a motorway sliproad..... ARGH!

I still love my car though.

It's a pity that too many old people seem to love Civics too. Honda thought they'd attract more young customers with their new car.... Unfortunately they didn't manage to plonk all of their OAP customer base into new Jazz's..... Or even Auris'!

D
p.s. (I'm 36 by the way!) And before anybody over 45 tries to tell me that they love their Honda Civic, and have as much right as anybody else to drive the car of their choosing.... DON'T! It's as ridiculous as seeing fat people in MacDonalds dressed in sportswear and trainers.

I await your torrent of abuse!

There's more than a hint of 'Victor Meldrew' there,and I think he was knocking on a bit(I reckon when the Civics become more affordable secondhand,more under 25's will probably be taking to them)

[damianscott71]

I DON'T BLOODY BELIEVE IT!

lol

[jazzman]

Originally Posted by LNT

Probably not really appropriate for me because you're looking at Civic 5 door against Auris, but I checked out the Prius before the Civic Hybrid. The Toyota dealer couldn't be bothered getting a car to test drive and it was too expensive anyway, and the spec was abysmal for the money. A year later and I'm still very happy.

With regard to the Civic 5 door v the Auris, the Civic wins hands down, but should really come with reverse sensors as standard. Having had a 5 door for a while at work, the rear view is pretty awful. But I suppose it's one of those things that you get used to, and sacrifice for the greater good of the car itself.

Your comments are interesting because I looked at the Prius and came to the same conclusions as you. I loved the Civic Hybrid and would have bought one except that it was not a hatchback so I invested in my spaceship which I adore (the rear view has never been a problem for me) , after one look the Auris was never in with a chance.

[Accord Owner wants Civic]

Originally Posted by damianscott71

It's a pity that too many old people seem to love Civics too.

And before anybody over 45 tries to tell me that they love their Honda Civic,

I take it that you consider anyone over the age of 45 to be old.

You young wippersnapper, come over here and I'll give you a jolly good hiding. And I suppose you consider anyone over the age of 55 to be virtually dead?

Hold me back, I want to teach this young upstart a lesson.

[FWH]

Originally Posted by Unknownsoldier

Boy Yes, that forum is almost [censored by me].

Tom

LMAO!

[jazzman]

Originally Posted by damianscott71

To be honest, I think the all round view is awful, you can't see the end of the bonnet or any of the corners. Plus there are huge blindspots on the C-Pillars..... The number of times that I've almost broad-sided a car whilst pulling out of a motorway sliproad..... ARGH!

I still love my car though.

It's a pity that too many old people seem to love Civics too. Honda thought they'd attract more young customers with their new car.... Unfortunately they didn't manage to plonk all of their OAP customer base into new Jazz's..... Or even Auris'!

D
p.s. (I'm 36 by the way!) And before anybody over 45 tries to tell me that they love their Honda Civic, and have as much right as anybody else to drive the car of their choosing.... DON'T! It's as ridiculous as seeing fat people in MacDonalds dressed in sportswear and trainers.

I await your torrent of abuse!

I would never abuse a child so when you grow up come back and I can abuse you (verbally that is) but seriously folks even us old wrinkleys love our spaceships as they are great cars and in my case I have been driving for over 50 years most of those in the course of work. The spaceship has brought fun back to motoring certainly for me and I suspect for a lot more of us oldies

[Sandozer]

Auris, just had a look at one on Google, that is one ugly mother, front end styling is appalling IMHO... Guess they ran out of time on the styling.

[coolice]

Originally Posted by damianscott71

Hi Ian,

The 180bhp engine in the Auris is the same as the Avensis and the Lexus is220d if I'm not mistaken. I don't know if you're aware that there has been a huge recall on this engine, as they were using LOTs of oil and were becoming highly unreliable...

Also, the car didn't get a great review in Autoexpress (or one of the other car mags that I read), but the performance figures are quite compelling!

It was explained to me by the apprentice at the local Honda dealership's service depot that the 2.2 i-cdti was detuned so as not to detract from the percieved sportiness of the Type-R. Now, I know that a lot of 17yr olds are full of cr@p, but Honda apprentices spend lots of time being trained in Swindon, and having spoken to his manager, this young lad is getting top marks in all of his apprenticeship exams. He lives, eats, breathes and .....'s Honda, so I've no real reason to disbelieve him.

This suggestion is born out by the fact that so many people on the forum have had their car's remapped to 190bhp, 500nm torque. I mean, 138bhp from a modern 2.2 litre diesel is pretty weedy, right?

Having a remapped car myself, I can attest that it's quick, torquey, economical(ish), sporty, comfortable, practical, and most importantly, reliable. I've never had to miss a day's work because it didn't start, or because something fell off. Unlike my Golf MK5 2.0GT TDI, that I had previously. If you've got one of those on your list of cars to consider, I'd say scrub it out mate!

Damian

Hi Damian,

Thanks for replying to my post mate.

I wasn't aware of that recall on the Toyota engine, but will now try to find out a little more about it if I can. It is this type of information which is handy to know so that you can enquire about or avoid as necassary.
I have read it is the same engine as used in the Avensis but did not remember that the Lexus could also have been using it, should have done as Toyota & Lexus go together.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Honda engine is detuned like you say as with it being a 2.2 it is spec'd conservatively.
Your own car you running the Celtic Tuning chip yeah? It runs well and gives great performance looking at the figures in your signature.

I have looked into diesel performance chips/boxes, but haven't paid attention to what the Celtic option changes or adds. Do they reprogram your existing chip or is it a seperate box and then what is the effect on your warrenty for instance?

I'm steerign clear of Golfs & VW's in general as you appear to pay a lot of money for not a lot at the end of the day. Fords as well dont appeal.
I did look longingly at the Megane, again great engine but butt ugly rear end

If Peugeot had a more powerful diesel powerplant I possibly wouldn't be considering a change of car make, but then again variety is good.

Thanks for your reply.

Ian

[Korkut Varol]

Originally Posted by damianscott71

It's a pity that too many old people seem to love Civics too. Honda thought they'd attract more young customers with their new car.... Unfortunately they didn't manage to plonk all of their OAP customer base into new Jazz's..... Or even Auris'!

D
p.s. (I'm 36 by the way!) And before anybody over 45 tries to tell me that they love their Honda Civic, and have as much right as anybody else to drive the car of their choosing.... DON'T! It's as ridiculous as seeing fat people in MacDonalds dressed in sportswear and trainers.

I await your torrent of abuse!

By declaring your age and your proposed limit to be old, I hope you are aware that you've got only 9 years ahead to think over what you have said.. Time flies, and you'll be there before you realize...

It is also nice that elderly people own Civics, because it means that a greater proportion of the produced will stay on the roads, not being written-off in the hands of reckless youngsters.

As the lyrics go;
I know what it is to be young
But you don't know what it is to be old.
Someday you'll be saying the same thing
Time takes away so the story is told.
In time when your young days are over
There'll be someone sharing their time with you.

Take care, my friend!

[skam]

Originally Posted by Korkut Varol

LMAO!!!!
In fact it does not look like any proper thing!
I had read somewhere that Toyota was to launch Auris about the same time with the Civic. However, they postponed it for some retouches on appearance after seeing Civic being a visual hit.
If this is the revised one, I wonder how the original was...

You are right on this one Korkut Varol. Ι 've read the same but i can't remember where...
I must say though that although they delayed the Auris launch in order to make changes on the appearance the result is worst than our civic. I dont want to know how the original design was....

[pcr]

So it's a fact then, all cars except the Civic are crap and old people shouldn't be driving it. I guess it's human nature to defend your own and owners of other brands feel exactly the same way about their cars, fridges, curtains, etc.

[damianscott71]

Originally Posted by pcr

So it's a fact then, all cars except the Civic are crap and old people shouldn't be driving it. I guess it's human nature to defend your own and owners of other brands feel exactly the same way about their cars, fridges, curtains, etc.

Yep, it's a fact.

That, and the fact that irony is dead, dead and very dead.

[damianscott71]

Sorry, perhaps we should start posting comments in a larger font, for all you old guys!

Just kidding, enough of the oldisms.... for now!

[Korkut Varol]

Originally Posted by damianscott71

Sorry, perhaps we should start posting comments in a larger font, for all you old guys!

Just kidding, enough of the oldisms.... for now!

No thanks, my monitor displays embossed fonts, so I can still feel and read even if I cannot see!

[TTDegs]

Originally Posted by coolice

I have looked into diesel performance chips/boxes, but haven't paid attention to what the Celtic option changes or adds. Do they reprogram your existing chip or is it a seperate box and then what is the effect on your warrenty for instance?

Celtic do a remap via the ODBC port in the car
plug in their laptop, send off the results, get new map, apply

engine / drivetrain warrenty is then gone, but this is true for the tuning box method too...

insurance - get a quote first, but shouldn't result in a huge hike