Petrol prices and floodgates

[Topcat]

Originally Posted by TTDegs

Government would turn round and say "we told you to start using public transport..."

though quite what fuel the buses would be running on is a different matter

It is far cheaper to drive than to use buses and tubes in the London area, a few weeks ago I went to London on a bus and a train (train being 8 stops) total cost for return journey AND THIS WAS OFF PEAK £9.70 had I used an Oyster card if would have been £6.80 and the the Mayor of London blocks our roads with bus lanes to try an make us travel on them - its pathetic

[Wheelchair]

Public transport is no good for anyone like me, disabled using a wheelchair and a Labrador assistance dog in tow.

The trouble is politicians in this country have it too easy, where's Guy Fawkes when you need him!

Mind you, the French have the right idea, the lorries bring the place to standstill when they strike. We Brits are too weak willed to stand up for our rights, we let the government walk all over us.

I'm surprised that the disabled like me and the OAP's aren't rounded up by the government and given something to put us to sleep, we are seen as being of no use whatsoever.

[Jack The Lad.]

Well said that man.
The b-ggers had to do a climb down on the 10% tax thingy today though.
Well done that Frank Field.

[alanwalne]

We could also go on a 'drive slow' in protest, if the police try to caution us, just say 'At these fuel prices, I can't afford to travel any faster'

[Jack The Lad.]

If everyone kept EXACTLY to the speed limits, the whole traffic system would grind to a halt. -- A copper told me that.?

[alanwalne]

Originally Posted by Jack The Lad.

If everyone kept EXACTLY to the speed limits, the whole traffic system would grind to a halt. -- A copper told me that.?

The A2 under miles and miles of average speed cameras proves that point

[angie4m]

Luckily in the east of Scotland ie Edinburgh and East Lothian there hasn't been the panic buying that people have been going on about, neither have the local garages raised their prices. Its costing me still 1.13 for V-Power and I managed to fill my car right up for my trip.

I don't agree with Trade Unions Sorry, its because of them that Soctland and North of England are facing this fuel shortage. They somehow think that by holding the country to ransom (which they basically are) that they will get a final salery pension scheme and not have to contribute towards it. I say wake up to the real world! Final Pension Salery Schemes are a thing of the past, sad but true! If the only way to maintain it is to contribute towards it then so be it. I have too as wel as my own private one and I certianly didn't kick up a stink about it. They just have to face facts that with a ageing population and a volitile market these things cannot be 100% guaranteed!

I feel sorry for the people to the west of Scotland as they seem to be the worst hit. Folk jumping on the band wagon and charging what they like, but then its supply and demand....but my Dad went to his work in Livingston on Monday, went to get fuel totally unaware of any of this to find that there was none anywhere, all the pumps were dry and he was in the M....got home with 20 miles left in the tank and the petrol light on. Not good!

I don't know what its going to be when I am away, when I was down South in February they were already charging 1.08p for unleaded so God only knows what it is going to be.

If there was a fuel shortage in my neck of the woods and the garages were charging over the odds I wouldn't entertain them. It made the News tonight about a garage in Fife that was charging £1.45 per litre for Diesel! They then said the Computer had made a mistake and it was £1.30.....aye right then! They have been exposed on National TV for being robbing Bar Stewards and they know it! The only thing that made a mistake was the greedy owner thinking they could get away with it.

I also don't agree with limiting people to £10, £15 & £20 fill ups only as £20 worth of petrol gets you more than £20 worth of Diesel, especially at the prices they are charging for it! I've seen Petrol at 1.05 & Diesel at 1.16!

[alanwalne]

Angie

I agree, in the current developed world there is no need for Trade Unions. Trade Unions came about because of slavery and under 10 year olds up chimneys for 18 hour days. This is hardly the case now.

The highest level of hypocracy is that the current govenment is funded and partly run by the unions.

Union bosses on the whole have their own selfish interests, not their members intersts at heart. Remember Scargill, he stared the miners strike with a large union and a small house and ended the strike with a large house and a small union. The miners blame Maggie for them being out of a job, perhaps they should have looked closer to home.

When overseas markets and manufacturing are getting stronger and stronger people have to be realistic and cost cutting is a necessary evil if any refining and industrial jobs are going to stay in this country.

[angie4m]

Considering I was born in 1984 I very much doubt that I can remember Scargill and Maggie Thatcher in Goverment

[alanwalne]

Sorry.

It was a point to show that union strength is not a good thing.

[angie4m]

Excatly. I work with people a lot older than me and the slightest thing they don't agree with, they go running to a union, only to discover that the union does not have a strong hold in the company can can't do anything for them.

[Palindrome]

Just a shame we didn't stick with it when we had the first fuel strike and actually had the government by the short and curlies!

That will never happen again as they will now have a contingency plan in place!

[Jack The Lad.]

Like AK 47's.

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by Jack The Lad.

The b-ggers had to do a climb down on the 10% tax thingy today though.
Well done that Frank Field.

Sorry JTL I don't agree. This government, which I don't support, is weak and pathetic. Today Gordon Brown stood in PMQ's and said that Labour was the party of the poor, HOW?

My view is such. This present government claims to be the party of the people but doesn't listen. It claims to have the poor in mind, but removed the 10% tax threshold.. It controls from central government - removing local knowledge and expertise.

what did Frank Field achieve - NOTHING. There were NO firm policy decisions and everything is to 'be thought through'. In other words meaning nothing will be done. The poor will be neglected once again.

Why not reduce the tax on petrol until a new reliable, realistic form of fuel can be introduced?

[Jack The Lad.]

I have never voted Labour either HM, but I do believe that he did achieve something, Tis getting too close to an election for the b-ggers to do a runner on it now. ?

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by Jack The Lad.

I have never voted Labour either HM, but I do believe that he did achieve something, Tis getting too close to an election for the b-ggers to do a runner on it now. ?

You may have a point there, JTL

[TTDegs]

Originally Posted by Topcat

It is far cheaper to drive than to use buses and tubes in the London area, a few weeks ago I went to London on a bus and a train (train being 8 stops) total cost for return journey AND THIS WAS OFF PEAK £9.70 had I used an Oyster card if would have been £6.80 and the the Mayor of London blocks our roads with bus lanes to try an make us travel on them - its pathetic

I'm off to London tomorrow, for a works conferance in Earl's Court.

The top brass have made a big thing about it being the 'most eco-friendly conference we have ever had', and as such have 'strongly discouraged' us from driving there.

So instead of me doing my normal drive to Hammersmith (170 miles each way = 340 = 8 gallons = £40 max), I have to catch the train.

Off Peak ticket T&Cs say the train must arrive in London by 8:00am.
The 5:54 train from Cardiff arrives at Paddington at 8:01am.
The earlier one than that leaves at 5:15am


Off Peak Open Return is £57 (and I couldn't leave London until 7pm)
Normal Open Return is.... wait for it... £158

So I'm saving the planet (assuming that my share of the emmisions on the train is actually lower than the Civ will kick out), but costing the company an extra £120.
Plus the £10 it will no doubt cost for the cup of dodgy train coffee and microwaved lump of gristle ina bun LOL


anyho - enough for now, otherwise I'll be too wound up to sleep and end up missing the train anyway

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by TTDegs

I'm off to London tomorrow, for a works conferance in Earl's Court.

The top brass have made a big thing about it being the 'most eco-friendly conference we have ever had', and as such have 'strongly discouraged' us from driving there.

So instead of me doing my normal drive to Hammersmith (170 miles each way = 340 = 8 gallons = £40 max), I have to catch the train.

Off Peak ticket T&Cs say the train must arrive in London by 8:00am.
The 5:54 train from Cardiff arrives at Paddington at 8:01am.
The earlier one than that leaves at 5:15am


Off Peak Open Return is £57 (and I couldn't leave London until 7pm)
Normal Open Return is.... wait for it... £158

So I'm saving the planet (assuming that my share of the emmisions on the train is actually lower than the Civ will kick out), but costing the company an extra £120.
Plus the £10 it will no doubt cost for the cup of dodgy train coffee and microwaved lump of gristle ina bun LOL


anyho - enough for now, otherwise I'll be too wound up to sleep and end up missing the train anyway

It isn't about saving money or time, its about saving the planet - although no one seems to know how to do that exactly.

[NH Dan]

Just read in the news that some thieving git in Fife has been charging £1.45 for diesel and £1.25 for unleaded!!!! he then blamed it on a computer error and dropped it by 5p !!!!

[NEEMSTAR]

Originally Posted by HappyMan

although no one seems to know how to do that exactly.

things that are NOT saving the earth -
bus lanes
the congestion charge
fuel prices
road tax

i think the government should introduce tram systems throughout all major towns
i know it would cost a sh*t load but seriously the tram system in nottingham is amazing
i don't mind travelling in it to travel the last couple of miles to uni (park and ride)- the tram is never late - decent price and VERY clean and well maintained
on the other hand i would NEVER use a smelly late bus