NCAP Rating now available - Only 4*

Civic Centre · 29th October 2006, 10:28

Hello

The NCAP crash test report is now available for the Civic see the link below

http://www.euroncap.com/content/safe...ings.php?id1=6

Does well across the board, however the adult occupancy protection rating is 4 out of 5 stars!

Cheers!

Civic Centre

basegreen · 29th October 2006, 10:33

Someone will be SHOT. They've been promoting this car as "expected 5* NCAP".

Really, really really disappointing.

elfa7 · 29th October 2006, 10:34

Surprised it didn't get 5 stars. Movement of the accelerator pedal, must have stuffed it.

Civic Centre · 29th October 2006, 10:39

Hi, It was also movement of the steering wheel adjuster that effected the score for knee and upper leg protection. I think overall it has scored very well in all three areas of the test.

basegreen · 29th October 2006, 10:57

I know this was one of the big aims they had for the car, so to fail is pretty disappointing.

Maldax · 29th October 2006, 10:59

And the wheel adjuster. If they only get one car to trash I would think some of it's going to be the luck of the draw

JB75 · 29th October 2006, 10:59

Honda will not like this at all, it has to rate as a disappointing result. The displacement of the gas pedal is of particular cause for concern.

It brought a tear to my eye seeing that Milano Red SE "terminated" so crudely...

Maldax · 29th October 2006, 11:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by JB75

It brought a tear to my eye seeing that Milano Red SE "terminated" so crudely...

an extra £325 for the other colours

Cad · 29th October 2006, 16:16

Interesting result.

Re the Accelerator pedal... would it perform better in a RHD configuration, seeing as it's nearer the outside of the car, or worse? Same with the steering wheel adjuster and barrel.

Or was that a RHD... difficult to see for sure.

JB75 · 29th October 2006, 17:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cad

...Re the Accelerator pedal... would it perform better in a RHD configuration, seeing as it's nearer the outside of the car, or worse? Same with the steering wheel adjuster and barrel.

Or was that a RHD... difficult to see for sure.

It was a RHD 1.8 SE according to the NCAP document.

Browsing the NCAP website it's noticable how many similar cars have a 5 star rating, such as the Golf, Astra, C4, Focus and Megane. I predict a few meetings at Honda HQ...

skam · 29th October 2006, 17:54

The movement of the acceleration pedal was 118mm and the limit was 100mm. Also we had a problem with the wheel adjuster. The civic scored 68% (almost...4,5 stars). For example vw golf scored 81%.(The limit to have 5 stars is 80%). If honda repairs some details they should sent a new car that will easily score 5 stars. I dont think that the car isn't safe but everybody in honda were saying that it will easily score 5stars. So they must immidiately make some changes in order to show respect to the owners of the civic or future buyers. We should be disappointed not for the result but for honda policy about it. I can't accept that a new car that want to be one of the best in its category scores only 4 stars. So..honda back to work!!!

Copycat · 29th October 2006, 18:23

What an utter humiliation for Honda. Four stars is an ok result, but given all the hype about the expected five stars this must be a bit hard to cope with at the moment.

I suppose most drivers' feet would be on the clutch and brake pedals at the moment of impact but still such a fault should have been taken into account while designing the car.

I feel disappointed that's all.

basegreen · 29th October 2006, 18:33

I will be writing to them about it. I was sold the car on the 5* rating!

pcr · 29th October 2006, 18:50

This is a disappointing result since I sort of assumed that manufacturers carry out their own testing prior to the NCAP test and would therefore be fairly certain of the outcome. If that is the case then I wonder about the meaning of "expected 5".

MC Hammer · 29th October 2006, 20:05

Is this the official report? Have a look at the chassis no!
If they've over looked that they might just have missed a star.

Topcat · 29th October 2006, 20:12

Oh joy another let down from Honda

richierich · 30th October 2006, 07:45

I always said having had a Laguna and 5*'s it would be something on my list to ensure I had a 5* car, but if as suggested it is often the finer details, stickers, warning lights etc that give 5*'s then do we actaully have a less safe car, never mind all the stickers, lights, it surely is the body deformation and risk of injury which matters.

I would have prefered to have had 5*, especially when Honda have obviously told dealers to tell customers it was expected to get 5*'s, I heard it from 3.

jayt43 · 30th October 2006, 08:33

Note to manufacturers:

Don't be "confident" or "expectant", much less brag that your shiny new thing of loveliness will get a 5-star rating (see Audi Q7, Honda Civic).

Instead, wait until NCAP actually give you a bit of paper with the results on and then count the number of stars carefully. If there are five, then announce to world car is "really, really, really safe". If < 5 then talk about the vehicle's attractive blue dials, sporty aluminium pedals and the fact there's a stealth compartment for expensive things that you don't want nicked, as well as a neat gunk thingymejig for patching up the tyres.

Communique to franchised dealers of rival manufacturers:

It doesn't need me to remind you that, recently, we've been having a hard time flogging our wares because of that new Honda. Well boys and girls, we've finally found the chink in its armour. Wait for it...yes, it only got a four star adult protection rating (chortle, chortle)!

Therefore, as a matter of course, you must mercilessly EXPLOIT this flaw to all potential customers. When asking "what other vehicles have you test driven?" should a customer reply "Honda Civic" then use the following phrase:

"Well, certainly, whilst our product is styled more conservatively than some others, it's extremely safe. Did you know, for example, that Honda's new Civic received only 4 stars in its NCAP test? Ours has five!! Just think, in a bad crash that extra star may be the difference between well....you know. Let's just say, you want little Johnny/Tamara over there to grow up knowing his father/mother don't you?

Seriously though, this is a real lifeline to the likes of Ford, Volkswagen and Vauxhall in respect of their C-segment products competing against the Civic (not to mention a bit of a PR disaster for Honda).

If you look at the reasons why the car failed to acheive 5-stars, then it actually isn't too drastic (certainly I'd be more concerned about faulty spot welding in the Audi Q7)

Going on Honda's track record, however, have they ever achieved a 5-star NCAP rating? They made great play of their state-of-the-art test facility in testing the new Civic, but obviously there's been a failure somewhere. Like RR said, a few more stickers here and there might have done the trick!!

Fair to say now that the Civic is also out of the running for Car of the Year 2007!

basegreen · 30th October 2006, 08:49

In the Type-S brochure, there's a huge section in there about their state of the art testing/crash facilities.

jayt43 · 30th October 2006, 09:17

Original Civic Press Pack:

"The new Civic will be one of the safest cars in its class. Honda expects the Civic to achieve Euro NCAP ratings of 5 stars for front and side impact safety, 3 stars for pedestrian safety and 4 stars for child protection safety – an outstanding achievement considering it has the shortest front overhang in the C-segment.

The resulting structure together with retracting foot pedals, double pre-tensioners on the front seatbelts and side curtain airbags (standard on all models) has delivered very reassuring results in the 64km/h frontal crash test against a deformable barrier (with a 40 per cent offset), as well as on the 50km/h side impact and the 29km/h stationary pole side impact tests".

I thought something was amiss as it took so long to publish the results. I know there's a backlog of cars being tested, but the new Corsa's results were published just as the car was first appearing on the market! The Civic's result comes approx. 1 year after the car was first revealed.

So what's with the retracting pedals then? I take it this just for the brake and clutch (as of, course, the accelerator pedal is of a different design). Maybe Honda should have just gone with an ordinary gas pedal instead!

29th October 2006, 10:28	#1 (permalink)
Civic Centre Valve Cap Join Date: 21st October 2006 Location: Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	NCAP Rating now available - Only 4* Hello The NCAP crash test report is now available for the Civic see the link below http://www.euroncap.com/content/safe...ings.php?id1=6 Does well across the board, however the adult occupancy protection rating is 4 out of 5 stars! Cheers! Civic Centre

29th October 2006, 16:16	#9 (permalink)
Cad estranged Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 5th June 2006 Location: Upstairs Posts: 391 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Interesting result. Re the Accelerator pedal... would it perform better in a RHD configuration, seeing as it's nearer the outside of the car, or worse? Same with the steering wheel adjuster and barrel. Or was that a RHD... difficult to see for sure. Last edited by Cad; 29th October 2006 at 16:19.

30th October 2006, 08:33	#18 (permalink)
jayt43 Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 27th June 2006 Location: Budapest Posts: 520 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Note to manufacturers: Don't be "confident" or "expectant", much less brag that your shiny new thing of loveliness will get a 5-star rating (see Audi Q7, Honda Civic). Instead, wait until NCAP actually give you a bit of paper with the results on and then count the number of stars carefully. If there are five, then announce to world car is "really, really, really safe". If < 5 then talk about the vehicle's attractive blue dials, sporty aluminium pedals and the fact there's a stealth compartment for expensive things that you don't want nicked, as well as a neat gunk thingymejig for patching up the tyres. Communique to franchised dealers of rival manufacturers: It doesn't need me to remind you that, recently, we've been having a hard time flogging our wares because of that new Honda. Well boys and girls, we've finally found the chink in its armour. Wait for it...yes, it only got a four star adult protection rating (chortle, chortle)! Therefore, as a matter of course, you must mercilessly EXPLOIT this flaw to all potential customers. When asking "what other vehicles have you test driven?" should a customer reply "Honda Civic" then use the following phrase: "Well, certainly, whilst our product is styled more conservatively than some others, it's extremely safe. Did you know, for example, that Honda's new Civic received only 4 stars in its NCAP test? Ours has five!! Just think, in a bad crash that extra star may be the difference between well....you know. Let's just say, you want little Johnny/Tamara over there to grow up knowing his father/mother don't you? Seriously though, this is a real lifeline to the likes of Ford, Volkswagen and Vauxhall in respect of their C-segment products competing against the Civic (not to mention a bit of a PR disaster for Honda). If you look at the reasons why the car failed to acheive 5-stars, then it actually isn't too drastic (certainly I'd be more concerned about faulty spot welding in the Audi Q7) Going on Honda's track record, however, have they ever achieved a 5-star NCAP rating? They made great play of their state-of-the-art test facility in testing the new Civic, but obviously there's been a failure somewhere. Like RR said, a few more stickers here and there might have done the trick!! Fair to say now that the Civic is also out of the running for Car of the Year 2007! Last edited by jayt43; 30th October 2006 at 09:00.

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This thread is about: NCAP Rating now available - Only 4, it's in General Discussion* at the Honda Civic forum Civinfo; Hello The NCAP crash test report is now available for the Civic see the link below http://www.euroncap.com/content/safe...ings.php?id1=6 Does well across the board, however the adult ...

29th October 2006, 10:33	#2 (permalink)
basegreen Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 15th April 2006 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,896 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	Someone will be SHOT. They've been promoting this car as "expected 5* NCAP". Really, really really disappointing.

29th October 2006, 10:34	#3 (permalink)
elfa7 Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 8th May 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 1,703 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Surprised it didn't get 5 stars. Movement of the accelerator pedal, must have stuffed it.

29th October 2006, 10:39	#4 (permalink)
Civic Centre Valve Cap Join Date: 21st October 2006 Location: Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hi, It was also movement of the steering wheel adjuster that effected the score for knee and upper leg protection. I think overall it has scored very well in all three areas of the test.

29th October 2006, 10:57	#5 (permalink)
basegreen Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 15th April 2006 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,896 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	I know this was one of the big aims they had for the car, so to fail is pretty disappointing.

29th October 2006, 10:59	#6 (permalink)
Maldax Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 12th June 2006 Location: Reading, Berks Posts: 1,051 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	And the wheel adjuster. If they only get one car to trash I would think some of it's going to be the luck of the draw

29th October 2006, 10:59	#7 (permalink)
JB75 Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 18th August 2006 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 176 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Honda will not like this at all, it has to rate as a disappointing result. The displacement of the gas pedal is of particular cause for concern. It brought a tear to my eye seeing that Milano Red SE "terminated" so crudely...

29th October 2006, 17:54	#11 (permalink)
skam Greek Subtopic Moderator Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 7th October 2006 Location: ATHENS, HELLAS Posts: 828 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts iTrader: (0)	The movement of the acceleration pedal was 118mm and the limit was 100mm. Also we had a problem with the wheel adjuster. The civic scored 68% (almost...4,5 stars). For example vw golf scored 81%.(The limit to have 5 stars is 80%). If honda repairs some details they should sent a new car that will easily score 5 stars. I dont think that the car isn't safe but everybody in honda were saying that it will easily score 5stars. So they must immidiately make some changes in order to show respect to the owners of the civic or future buyers. We should be disappointed not for the result but for honda policy about it. I can't accept that a new car that want to be one of the best in its category scores only 4 stars. So..honda back to work!!!

29th October 2006, 18:23	#12 (permalink)
Copycat Galaxy class starship Rocketship door handle Join Date: 5th May 2006 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1,050 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	What an utter humiliation for Honda. Four stars is an ok result, but given all the hype about the expected five stars this must be a bit hard to cope with at the moment. I suppose most drivers' feet would be on the clutch and brake pedals at the moment of impact but still such a fault should have been taken into account while designing the car. I feel disappointed that's all.

29th October 2006, 18:33	#13 (permalink)
basegreen Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 15th April 2006 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,896 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	I will be writing to them about it. I was sold the car on the 5* rating!

29th October 2006, 18:50	#14 (permalink)
pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 848 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	This is a disappointing result since I sort of assumed that manufacturers carry out their own testing prior to the NCAP test and would therefore be fairly certain of the outcome. If that is the case then I wonder about the meaning of "expected 5".

29th October 2006, 20:05	#15 (permalink)
MC Hammer Kids use a lot of space Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 16th June 2006 Location: UK Posts: 622 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Is this the official report? Have a look at the chassis no! If they've over looked that they might just have missed a star.

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Topcat Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 11th May 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 2,759 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts iTrader: (0)	Oh joy another let down from Honda

30th October 2006, 07:45	#17 (permalink)
richierich Smell My Cheese! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 17th May 2006 Location: Bicester, Oxfordshire Posts: 1,847 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	I always said having had a Laguna and 5's it would be something on my list to ensure I had a 5 car, but if as suggested it is often the finer details, stickers, warning lights etc that give 5's then do we actaully have a less safe car, never mind all the stickers, lights, it surely is the body deformation and risk of injury which matters. I would have prefered to have had 5, especially when Honda have obviously told dealers to tell customers it was expected to get 5*'s, I heard it from 3.

30th October 2006, 08:49	#19 (permalink)
basegreen Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 15th April 2006 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,896 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	In the Type-S brochure, there's a huge section in there about their state of the art testing/crash facilities.

30th October 2006, 09:17	#20 (permalink)
jayt43 Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 27th June 2006 Location: Budapest Posts: 520 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Original Civic Press Pack: "The new Civic will be one of the safest cars in its class. Honda expects the Civic to achieve Euro NCAP ratings of 5 stars for front and side impact safety, 3 stars for pedestrian safety and 4 stars for child protection safety – an outstanding achievement considering it has the shortest front overhang in the C-segment. The resulting structure together with retracting foot pedals, double pre-tensioners on the front seatbelts and side curtain airbags (standard on all models) has delivered very reassuring results in the 64km/h frontal crash test against a deformable barrier (with a 40 per cent offset), as well as on the 50km/h side impact and the 29km/h stationary pole side impact tests". I thought something was amiss as it took so long to publish the results. I know there's a backlog of cars being tested, but the new Corsa's results were published just as the car was first appearing on the market! The Civic's result comes approx. 1 year after the car was first revealed. So what's with the retracting pedals then? I take it this just for the brake and clutch (as of, course, the accelerator pedal is of a different design). Maybe Honda should have just gone with an ordinary gas pedal instead!