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ZAMO · 20th May 2010, 22:13

wife going to work today,she was waiting to pull off on a roundabout and the car infront pulled away and then stopped,my wife run into the back of her.she got out to see if the driver was ok,she saw a dog siting on her lap.my wife asked for her details and she drove off.axa are sorting it out.damage is passenger side wing,bumper,head light,grill.i wounder what hire car they will give me.

Roly · 22nd May 2010, 16:51

This is a classic accident, just look at the number of bits of broken plastic at roundabout entrances.
Here's how you avoid doing it yourself. When waiting in the queue and you are next, DON'T look to the right until the car in front has gone and left, then check and go. Sounds like it will slow everything down, but it does not as it only takes a few microseconds and the car behind you won't even notice any delay. In any case, smacking the back of the car in front will cause more delay, and of course you are at fault as YOU ran into the other car. Give it a try and keep your Civic looking great.

59 1.8 ES Auto Milano Red

dunnichen · 22nd May 2010, 17:28

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Originally Posted by ZAMO

wife going to work today,she was waiting to pull off on a roundabout and the car infront pulled away and then stopped,my wife run into the back of her.she got out to see if the driver was ok,she saw a dog siting on her lap.my wife asked for her details and she drove off.axa are sorting it out.damage is passenger side wing,bumper,head light,grill.i wounder what hire car they will give me.

oops a case of "careless driving" possibly "danegrous driving" but not by your wife, the other one should never have been driving with a dog in her lap, thats insane...talk bout asking for an accident to happen...I hope your wife pleads non liable all the way.
Id report that to the cop shop straight away and get it known by your insurance company that you have reported it because of the dog, thats like carrying a shild with out a baby seat these days!

Hitting someone from behind invariably means it will be your( in this case your wifes ) fault because technically you should be leaving enough room to stop, and she should have made sure the vehicle in front has moved away before proceeding...reporting it will cover her back, potentially, which could in turn see her prosecuted for dangerous or careless which will keep your insurance and NCB intact...

Bad Luck!
Hope it sorts itself, it doesnt help the damage to the poor Civ of course

stemil · 22nd May 2010, 17:28

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Originally Posted by Roly

This is a classic accident, just look at the number of bits of broken plastic at roundabout entrances.
Here's how you avoid doing it yourself. When waiting in the queue and you are next, DON'T look to the right until the car in front has gone and left, then check and go. Sounds like it will slow everything down, but it does not as it only takes a few microseconds and the car behind you won't even notice any delay. In any case, smacking the back of the car in front will cause more delay, and of course you are at fault as YOU ran into the other car. Give it a try and keep your Civic looking great.

59 1.8 ES Auto Milano Red

Totally agree, spot on that.

dunnichen · 22nd May 2010, 17:45

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Originally Posted by stemil

Totally agree, spot on that.

I agree aswell... and to add... remember the days of your driving test?

No, thats cos you forget stuff lol but examiners look for at least two checks in each direction before proceeding, apply it as a further rule and it should keep you safe(r)...

ZAMO · 22nd May 2010, 19:20

lets hope the police get involved,the other driver left the scene of a accident refusing to give her details.there has been a lot of cases where this has happened and it is a scam,they have been hitting the buses around here,slight damage but then the bus company gets a huge bill for a complete back end rebuild,the drivers all have cameras now to take photos of any damage.we have photos of the other car and its not more than a scratch.

ZAMO · 29th May 2010, 17:31

up date on my car.it came back from the garage yesterday.straight away i could see they hadnt completed all the work.i was told they would replace the grille,bumper,valance,head light and sort any of the scratches out.they had done the grille and headlight but had tried to polish out the scratches but had left the paint flat,they hadnt replaced the bumper or valance and now there was a new large scratch on the passanger door with a oily circle drawn around it.we went off our heads and after about an hour of phone calls to axa and the garage, the car was returned and i am still stuck with the chevy aveo.

phil99 · 29th May 2010, 17:57

just nearly had the same thing a stupid man in a skoda stopped on a empty roundabout which is open so you can see all around in, Not a good thing, nearly dropped the Kwack in the rain cause of it. I know it would of been my fault if i hit him.

ZAMO · 29th May 2010, 18:01

here are some photos,last one shows new scratch which they did

Relic · 29th May 2010, 18:09

The chassis is going to be bent matey.
They havent even had the bumper off.

Did you demand a Honda garage ?

Beatdown · 29th May 2010, 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relic

The chassis is going to be bent matey.
They havent even had the bumper off.

Did you demand a Honda garage ?

what are u talking about?! The impact barely broke the bumper, how could it possibly bend the chasis?

Relic · 29th May 2010, 18:36

The bumper is flimsy plastic.
It fixes to metal clips and forms over the chasis.
Judging by the way the light and bumper are...that dont look good IMO.
OK

ZAMO · 29th May 2010, 21:43

it was a hit at less than 10mph and the air bags didnt go off so why do you thing there would be chassis damage?

Relic · 29th May 2010, 22:12

What do you think is going to take the impact of 1.5 tonne at 10 mph ?

A short story....
Driving through upminster in a mondeo estate.
Kids pushing each other about toward the road at the pavement edge.
Got my attention incase one fell in front of me.
A car further on had stopped to turn right and 3 or 4 had slammed the brakes on behind.
I look back for a face full of mercedes.
Slammed the brakes on and got down to about 10mph from 30 as I hit.

His vehicle appeared undamaged except for where there should be a 5mm gap at rear panels was about 1mm.
The front of my bonnet was buckled under slightly along with the number plate and top of bumper.
No Broken glass.....no cracked plastic.

Thats it I thought...merely a scratch really.
Inusrance assessors decided to write off my car beyond economic repair.
The merc needed a new back end due to extensive chassis damage.

Surprising what damage is done at 10mph.

oh yes....no airbags

J. Derek Riddell · 29th May 2010, 23:03

Yeeeppp ...

I was hit on a mini-roundabout (at slow speed), when the Civic was 6 months old (other driver didn'nt observe the right of way) - I braked hard, but got hit on one front corner none the less - cracked plastic front bumper, no broken lights, car perfectly driveable - support structure \ support points behind were knackered, and it needed a new bonnet ! ...

About £2500 to repair it - which came off of the other guy's insurance ! - didn't affect my premium or no claims record ...

Alsone · 29th May 2010, 23:38

Its not going to be the chassis but a sub frame if anything.

The chassis is at the base of the car not the top where the grill attaches.

I also stand to be corrected here but the chassis generally stops at the passenger bulk head with struts forward of that, that accept the wings and engine inside the sub frame as in this kit car picture (doesn't show sub frames):

You're not usually going to bend a chassis at 10mph. I doubt you'd bend a main strut just maybe a sub frame if anything. That said, any decent garage will probably check alignment measurements just to be sure even if there isn't any obvious problem.

deni.babe · 30th May 2010, 11:18

i think the garage will know more once the bumper is removed these bumpers flex a lot on impact and in some cases its hard to tell if theres damage to the structure underneath lets hope in your case there isn't.

gjackson · 30th May 2010, 12:14

That picture is from automotive history (exception of some 4x4's and commercial vehicles) it's a ladder chassis a huge lump of metal that the bodyshell sits on. The floor and body of the Civic as per most cars is a structural component.

ZAMO · 4th June 2010, 20:53

well we got it back today and all the work has been done ,new bumper,grille,headlight.honey comb grille.highly polished and valeted inside.looks better now than when we bought it.£350 lighter.they wouldnt tell me the complete price.i asked about the metal work behind the bumper and was told no damage was found.will comfirm this with axa due to them having all the photos from the inspector.

griffin · 5th June 2010, 07:16

Great news mate glad you got her back in good condition this time.

20th May 2010, 22:13	#1 (permalink)
ZAMO Supporter Join Date: 1st March 2010 Location: ormskirk uk Posts: 81 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	ouch wife going to work today,she was waiting to pull off on a roundabout and the car infront pulled away and then stopped,my wife run into the back of her.she got out to see if the driver was ok,she saw a dog siting on her lap.my wife asked for her details and she drove off.axa are sorting it out.damage is passenger side wing,bumper,head light,grill.i wounder what hire car they will give me.

29th May 2010, 17:31	#7 (permalink)
ZAMO Supporter Thread starter Join Date: 1st March 2010 Location: ormskirk uk Posts: 81 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	not happy up date on my car.it came back from the garage yesterday.straight away i could see they hadnt completed all the work.i was told they would replace the grille,bumper,valance,head light and sort any of the scratches out.they had done the grille and headlight but had tried to polish out the scratches but had left the paint flat,they hadnt replaced the bumper or valance and now there was a new large scratch on the passanger door with a oily circle drawn around it.we went off our heads and after about an hour of phone calls to axa and the garage, the car was returned and i am still stuck with the chevy aveo. Last edited by ZAMO; 29th May 2010 at 18:03.

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22nd May 2010, 16:51	#2 (permalink)
Roly Car: 2009 1.8ES Auto Milano Red Join Date: 7th June 2009 Location: Colchester UK Posts: 58 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	This is a classic accident, just look at the number of bits of broken plastic at roundabout entrances. Here's how you avoid doing it yourself. When waiting in the queue and you are next, DON'T look to the right until the car in front has gone and left, then check and go. Sounds like it will slow everything down, but it does not as it only takes a few microseconds and the car behind you won't even notice any delay. In any case, smacking the back of the car in front will cause more delay, and of course you are at fault as YOU ran into the other car. Give it a try and keep your Civic looking great. 59 1.8 ES Auto Milano Red

22nd May 2010, 19:20	#6 (permalink)
ZAMO Supporter Thread starter Join Date: 1st March 2010 Location: ormskirk uk Posts: 81 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	lets hope the police get involved,the other driver left the scene of a accident refusing to give her details.there has been a lot of cases where this has happened and it is a scam,they have been hitting the buses around here,slight damage but then the bus company gets a huge bill for a complete back end rebuild,the drivers all have cameras now to take photos of any damage.we have photos of the other car and its not more than a scratch.

29th May 2010, 17:57	#8 (permalink)
phil99 Team Telford Car: 59 CTR GT Milano Join Date: 31st August 2009 Location: Cosford (Telford) Posts: 987 Thanks given: 128 Thanked 57 Times in 57 Posts iTrader: (1)	just nearly had the same thing a stupid man in a skoda stopped on a empty roundabout which is open so you can see all around in, Not a good thing, nearly dropped the Kwack in the rain cause of it. I know it would of been my fault if i hit him.

29th May 2010, 18:09	#10 (permalink)
Relic Cockup Specialist Car: 2007 2.2 Type 'S' GT, Bronze Join Date: 31st August 2009 Location: uk Posts: 12,157 Thanks given: 737 Thanked 1,459 Times in 1,279 Posts iTrader: (0)	The chassis is going to be bent matey. They havent even had the bumper off. Did you demand a Honda garage ?

29th May 2010, 21:43	#13 (permalink)
ZAMO Supporter Thread starter Join Date: 1st March 2010 Location: ormskirk uk Posts: 81 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	it was a hit at less than 10mph and the air bags didnt go off so why do you thing there would be chassis damage?

29th May 2010, 22:12	#14 (permalink)
Relic Cockup Specialist Car: 2007 2.2 Type 'S' GT, Bronze Join Date: 31st August 2009 Location: uk Posts: 12,157 Thanks given: 737 Thanked 1,459 Times in 1,279 Posts iTrader: (0)	What do you think is going to take the impact of 1.5 tonne at 10 mph ? A short story.... Driving through upminster in a mondeo estate. Kids pushing each other about toward the road at the pavement edge. Got my attention incase one fell in front of me. A car further on had stopped to turn right and 3 or 4 had slammed the brakes on behind. I look back for a face full of mercedes. Slammed the brakes on and got down to about 10mph from 30 as I hit. His vehicle appeared undamaged except for where there should be a 5mm gap at rear panels was about 1mm. The front of my bonnet was buckled under slightly along with the number plate and top of bumper. No Broken glass.....no cracked plastic. Thats it I thought...merely a scratch really. Inusrance assessors decided to write off my car beyond economic repair. The merc needed a new back end due to extensive chassis damage. Surprising what damage is done at 10mph. oh yes....no airbags

29th May 2010, 23:03	#15 (permalink)
J. Derek Riddell [ Laird Mac Nac Feegle ] Car: 2007 1.8 'Executive' (EX) Join Date: 8th November 2007 Location: Isle of Hundvåg, Stavanger, Norway Posts: 9,232 Thanks given: 297 Thanked 1,093 Times in 823 Posts iTrader: (5)	Yeeeppp ... I was hit on a mini-roundabout (at slow speed), when the Civic was 6 months old (other driver didn'nt observe the right of way) - I braked hard, but got hit on one front corner none the less - cracked plastic front bumper, no broken lights, car perfectly driveable - support structure \ support points behind were knackered, and it needed a new bonnet ! ... About £2500 to repair it - which came off of the other guy's insurance ! - didn't affect my premium or no claims record ...

29th May 2010, 23:38	#16 (permalink)
Alsone Supporter Car: 2008 1.8 GT Type S Join Date: 14th May 2010 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 1,524 Thanks given: 48 Thanked 90 Times in 86 Posts iTrader: (2)	Its not going to be the chassis but a sub frame if anything. The chassis is at the base of the car not the top where the grill attaches. I also stand to be corrected here but the chassis generally stops at the passenger bulk head with struts forward of that, that accept the wings and engine inside the sub frame as in this kit car picture (doesn't show sub frames): You're not usually going to bend a chassis at 10mph. I doubt you'd bend a main strut just maybe a sub frame if anything. That said, any decent garage will probably check alignment measurements just to be sure even if there isn't any obvious problem.

30th May 2010, 11:18	#17 (permalink)
deni.babe loads of grunt Car: 08 2.2 type s gt blsilverish Join Date: 7th February 2010 Location: tettenhall ,wolverhampton Posts: 2,125 Thanks given: 220 Thanked 338 Times in 312 Posts iTrader: (7)	i think the garage will know more once the bumper is removed these bumpers flex a lot on impact and in some cases its hard to tell if theres damage to the structure underneath lets hope in your case there isn't.

30th May 2010, 12:14	#18 (permalink)
gjackson Join Date: 5th February 2008 Location: West Yorks Posts: 628 Thanks given: 6 Thanked 42 Times in 41 Posts iTrader: (0)	That picture is from automotive history (exception of some 4x4's and commercial vehicles) it's a ladder chassis a huge lump of metal that the bodyshell sits on. The floor and body of the Civic as per most cars is a structural component.

4th June 2010, 20:53	#19 (permalink)
ZAMO Supporter Thread starter Join Date: 1st March 2010 Location: ormskirk uk Posts: 81 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	well we got it back today and all the work has been done ,new bumper,grille,headlight.honey comb grille.highly polished and valeted inside.looks better now than when we bought it.£350 lighter.they wouldnt tell me the complete price.i asked about the metal work behind the bumper and was told no damage was found.will comfirm this with axa due to them having all the photos from the inspector.

5th June 2010, 07:16	#20 (permalink)
griffin Big T Car: 09 CTR GT Nighthawk black Join Date: 19th March 2010 Location: wigan Posts: 1,557 Thanks given: 204 Thanked 156 Times in 150 Posts iTrader: (7)	Great news mate glad you got her back in good condition this time.