Changing Car

trevolly · 9th May 2012, 13:31

Hi all, atm I've got a 09 plate Type R which I absolutely love. I've got myself a new job after 6 months of unemployment which is going to involve very early starts.

The journey to work is a 90 mile round trip and I'm realizing that with that trip and the price of fuel the Type R is going to be expensive.

I want to stay with Civic and have been looking at a few different vehicles and along with the local garages have been offered two deals.....

A 1.8 Civic Ti (petrol), registered in Aug 11 with 9000 miles. The garage will give me 10,500 for the Type R and with a small deposit its gonna cost me £270 a month. Obviously just a Civic SE with a body kit, 17" alloys and fancy sat nav. This is the dealers demo model they wanna let go.

Or.....

A 2.2 Civic ES (diesel 2012 model) with mats, Superguard treated interior and 17" Radium Alloys fitted as extra in polished metal colour (deep grey). This is again a demo model they want to sell and only has 1,400 miles on it. They have priced it at £20,500 (I priced it as new on Honda's site and it was just under £24k) and will only give me £9100 for the Type R and with a small deposit it works out at £400 a month.

Both are as new in condition. I'm worried about losing the auto wipers and lights and electric door mirrors that the Type R has but the nice thing about the Ti is it does look funky. The low monthly really (its only £10 a month more than what I pay for the R) appeals to me but deep down a niggle bites telling me its just a SE.

The 2.2 diesel appeals as although they are classing it as 2nd hand its new to me (with only 1,400 miles on it). It has all the features I'm used to (and a bit more) I know the new Civic shape is either loved or hated but I think in the dark grey polished metal colour with the Radium alloys its looks quite sporty. The little niggle biting says its a lot of money a month and the fact that no one seems to say the same thing about diesel. I've spoken to 4 different dealers and some say I will not see the benefit of diesel with the miles I'm doing, and combining that fact with the extra price of diesel I should go for petrol. The feeling I get is they'll tell me what sells the car they have!!

Any advice would really be appreciated guys, there's going to be tears when I let the Type R go ( please dont come back with "the Type R will be fine" I've had people tell me their mpg in their R is anything from 35 - 50mpg.) I know I drive my Type R fairly heavily and can only get 30ish at the best.

Thanks all
Trev

Hotchy · 9th May 2012, 13:47

Any chance of just buying a decent old diesel for travelling and keep the type R? My old 206 2.0 hdi done good mpg and has a solid block and you can get them for next to nothing. No point wrecking a good car with loads of miles a month

LincsPoacher · 9th May 2012, 13:48

With the mileage you will be doing I really think diesel is the way to go. If you want all the bells and whistles why not go for something a little older, say 2/3 years old, that could well bring something like an EX GT with all the toys in to range.

NH Dan · 9th May 2012, 14:15

ok, BOTH cars are 'used', they both have a previous owner but as you say, both demonstrators so no real issue there.

basically, at 141p per litre and 42.8mpg on petrol, it'll cost you £3,744.08 to do 25k pa.
Diesel, 147p per litre and 53.3mpg, it'l cost you £3,134.44 to do 25k, a difference of £609.64 in favour of the diesel - per annum

However, you'll be paying £130 a month more and then there's servicing which will cost more., leaving you at least £950.36 a year better off on the petrol...

dilemmas.....

okehciv · 9th May 2012, 14:28

Trev, it a dilemma that I don't envy that you have to make, a slightly older EX GT which Lincspoacher put forward is probably the way I would go to be honest. Am sure you will have plenty of replies to mull over. Of course a full service history is a must

Best of luck

trevolly · 9th May 2012, 14:35

Thanks for all the info guys. I'm really struggling. The dealers are trying to push me towards an older 2.2 diesel EX with 24k and a 2007 plate but the thing is (I'm prob being stupid here) a bit of me is bulking at buying a car that is older than the one I have.

The dealer that has the demo 2.2, 2012 diesel has just called and said that he looked in to the running costs of the new diesel and has said tbh I'd be better off buying a brand new 1.8 petrol if I was looking at spending that kind of cash (is he saying that because he has "new sales" figures to hit??)

I've been spoilt rotten by the looks of the Type R that I own now, even the dealer has said its one of the best condition Type R's he's seen and I get out of it most days and smile at it (sad huh!!)

I'm not a boy racer (I'm an old git at 39!!) but having only been driving for coming up to 2 years I like to have a nice car, and the Ti does look nice. It's just the fact that its a base model "old style" Civic deep down.

Jeza · 9th May 2012, 15:01

Just gas convert your Type R it's just over a grand then all you have to do is put abit of petrol in and run your car on gas most of the time. It'll bring your car tax down, only 80p ltr and the tank will fit into your boot storage space nicely. Cause it's gonna be cheaper than paying £400 per month and you still keep your Type R. Thats what I'm doing in November.

Go for the Prins gas convertion as thats the one that I've seen recommended for Honda Type R's. Hope that helps?

Jeza · 9th May 2012, 15:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by trevolly

Thanks for all the info guys. I'm really struggling. The dealers are trying to push me towards an older 2.2 diesel EX with 24k and a 2007 plate but the thing is (I'm prob being stupid here) a bit of me is bulking at buying a car that is older than the one I have.

The dealer that has the demo 2.2, 2012 diesel has just called and said that he looked in to the running costs of the new diesel and has said tbh I'd be better off buying a brand new 1.8 petrol if I was looking at spending that kind of cash (is he saying that because he has "new sales" figures to hit??)

I've been spoilt rotten by the looks of the Type R that I own now, even the dealer has said its one of the best condition Type R's he's seen and I get out of it most days and smile at it (sad huh!!)

I'm not a boy racer (I'm an old git at 39!!) but having only been driving for coming up to 2 years I like to have a nice car, and the Ti does look nice. It's just the fact that its a base model "old style" Civic deep down.

Oi careful with the old git bit you said I'm not far off. ;-P . Join the T.A. and and spend a couple of weekends a year playing silly buggers and getting just over a grand for your troubles.

Woette · 9th May 2012, 15:11

I'd keep the R, you say you drive fairly heavily. Drive like that in the 1.8 and it will also return lowish mpg (around 35), the diesel will fair better but will also struggle to reach your expectations.
I think if you drive the R sensibly and 65ish at the motorway i think you can get it to 40 mpg.
Do they pay for the miles at your new work or is it all on your own cost? 180 miles daily commute is quite a lot!
If they pay for it, i think its a no brainer!

okehciv · 9th May 2012, 15:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by trevolly

Thanks for all the info guys. I'm really struggling. The dealers are trying to push me towards an older 2.2 diesel EX with 24k and a 2007 plate but the thing is (I'm prob being stupid here) a bit of me is bulking at buying a car that is older than the one I have.

The dealer that has the demo 2.2, 2012 diesel has just called and said that he looked in to the running costs of the new diesel and has said tbh I'd be better off buying a brand new 1.8 petrol if I was looking at spending that kind of cash (is he saying that because he has "new sales" figures to hit??)

I've been spoilt rotten by the looks of the Type R that I own now, even the dealer has said its one of the best condition Type R's he's seen and I get out of it most days and smile at it (sad huh!!)

I'm not a boy racer (I'm an old git at 39!!) but having only been driving for coming up to 2 years I like to have a nice car, and the Ti does look nice. It's just the fact that its a base model "old style" Civic deep down.

Just because that's what they are pushing doesn't mean you have to go that way, you must have other dealers in the surrounding area find out via the net to see what's out there, if they haven't got it am sure they can get what you want
If its a EX or EX GT1.8, again best of luck

tinkz · 9th May 2012, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by NH Dan

ok, BOTH cars are 'used', they both have a previous owner but as you say, both demonstrators so no real issue there.

basically, at 141p per litre and 42.8mpg on petrol, it'll cost you £3,744.08 to do 25k pa.
Diesel, 147p per litre and 53.3mpg, it'l cost you £3,134.44 to do 25k, a difference of £609.64 in favour of the diesel - per annum

However, you'll be paying £130 a month more and then there's servicing which will cost more., leaving you at least £950.36 a year better off on the petrol...

dilemmas.....

Dan how much if he keeps the "R"

trevolly · 9th May 2012, 20:58

I test drove the 1.8 Civic Ti earlier today and we reset the mpg when we left the garage - when we got back to the garage it was 36.5 mpg. I've just taken the Type R around exactly the same route and drove like I did with the Ti (and the sales rep in the car

) and I got 33.5 mpg.

Normally I'm quite heavy on the revs pulling away from standstill where I tried to change gear much earlier this time - a bit like the Ti's shift indicator was telling me to.

It just seems silly to change the car and increase my monthly repayment by £25 for 3-7 mpg's benefit.

Sazzey · 9th May 2012, 21:44

Keep the R,just change your driving style to and from work.Then happy days for the weekend

markvirgo · 9th May 2012, 22:08

I get 41.6mpg on my 1.8 and I have a varied drive including (off road

)motorway at 80mph.

egomaniac · 9th May 2012, 22:19

41.6????? I am lucky to get 33 in my 1.8

mpn_daedalus · 9th May 2012, 22:21

Definately keep the R lol.

owls121 · 9th May 2012, 22:34

I'm the same mate, I'm starting a new job which is 70 miles one way! How ever I get £300 to help with fuel, so in all around £180 I have to put too,

Just drive 60-65, you'll be fine, I would never get rid of my R for work! Ha

J_H · 9th May 2012, 22:57

I do 120 miles a day in my CTR. Full tank lasts three days, 360 miles. This is about 33 MPG. There was no saving to be had for me changing car or getting another run about so the CTR is racking the miles up q

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Smokey28 · 9th May 2012, 23:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_H

I do 120 miles a day in my CTR. Full tank lasts three days, 360 miles. This is about 33 MPG. There was no saving to be had for me changing car or getting another run about so the CTR is racking the miles up q

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You must be on 100k a year, hehe.

Amazed how people do so many miles in a Type R. Whats the point if it's pottering to work and trying to get highest MPG you can?

LkyWorld · 9th May 2012, 23:54

I done this sum before I got my ctr. Tbh I was looking at a Leon fr diesel but with the cost of diesel now adays the difference of nearly 10p is just not worth it plus I prefer the drive and noise of a petrol.

The only way you could make a saving is go LPG and lose ** lower folding boot.

Plus would save you the extra 9grand on the diesel u would be buying log plus more mods if u have that money to burn?

If your gonna go for anything go for a prius as that's the only way you would gain after 20years of driving it which u won't.

Keep the type r and debate a lpg conversion. might be best decision u ever made.

9th May 2012, 13:31	#1 (permalink)
trevolly Join Date: 14th August 2011 Location: UK Posts: 24 Thanks given: 3 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	Changing Car Hi all, atm I've got a 09 plate Type R which I absolutely love. I've got myself a new job after 6 months of unemployment which is going to involve very early starts. The journey to work is a 90 mile round trip and I'm realizing that with that trip and the price of fuel the Type R is going to be expensive. I want to stay with Civic and have been looking at a few different vehicles and along with the local garages have been offered two deals..... A 1.8 Civic Ti (petrol), registered in Aug 11 with 9000 miles. The garage will give me 10,500 for the Type R and with a small deposit its gonna cost me £270 a month. Obviously just a Civic SE with a body kit, 17" alloys and fancy sat nav. This is the dealers demo model they wanna let go. Or..... A 2.2 Civic ES (diesel 2012 model) with mats, Superguard treated interior and 17" Radium Alloys fitted as extra in polished metal colour (deep grey). This is again a demo model they want to sell and only has 1,400 miles on it. They have priced it at £20,500 (I priced it as new on Honda's site and it was just under £24k) and will only give me £9100 for the Type R and with a small deposit it works out at £400 a month. Both are as new in condition. I'm worried about losing the auto wipers and lights and electric door mirrors that the Type R has but the nice thing about the Ti is it does look funky. The low monthly really (its only £10 a month more than what I pay for the R) appeals to me but deep down a niggle bites telling me its just a SE. The 2.2 diesel appeals as although they are classing it as 2nd hand its new to me (with only 1,400 miles on it). It has all the features I'm used to (and a bit more) I know the new Civic shape is either loved or hated but I think in the dark grey polished metal colour with the Radium alloys its looks quite sporty. The little niggle biting says its a lot of money a month and the fact that no one seems to say the same thing about diesel. I've spoken to 4 different dealers and some say I will not see the benefit of diesel with the miles I'm doing, and combining that fact with the extra price of diesel I should go for petrol. The feeling I get is they'll tell me what sells the car they have!! Any advice would really be appreciated guys, there's going to be tears when I let the Type R go ( please dont come back with "the Type R will be fine" I've had people tell me their mpg in their R is anything from 35 - 50mpg.) I know I drive my Type R fairly heavily and can only get 30ish at the best. Thanks all Trev Last edited by trevolly; 9th May 2012 at 13:34. Reason: spelling

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9th May 2012, 13:47	#2 (permalink)
Hotchy Supporter Car: 2007 57 2.2 Type S Join Date: 19th February 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 619 Thanks given: 35 Thanked 38 Times in 38 Posts iTrader: (1)	Any chance of just buying a decent old diesel for travelling and keep the type R? My old 206 2.0 hdi done good mpg and has a solid block and you can get them for next to nothing. No point wrecking a good car with loads of miles a month

9th May 2012, 13:48	#3 (permalink)
LincsPoacher Supporter Car: 2009 2.2 EX GT Milano Red Join Date: 20th December 2011 Location: Lincolnshire Posts: 969 Thanks given: 47 Thanked 127 Times in 122 Posts iTrader: (2)	With the mileage you will be doing I really think diesel is the way to go. If you want all the bells and whistles why not go for something a little older, say 2/3 years old, that could well bring something like an EX GT with all the toys in to range.

9th May 2012, 14:15	#4 (permalink)
NH Dan Arfurs right hand man Car: 1.8 Civic 'Spanish' ES 9th g Join Date: 31st January 2008 Location: South London,Uk Posts: 3,824 Thanks given: 479 Thanked 345 Times in 289 Posts iTrader: (0)	ok, BOTH cars are 'used', they both have a previous owner but as you say, both demonstrators so no real issue there. basically, at 141p per litre and 42.8mpg on petrol, it'll cost you £3,744.08 to do 25k pa. Diesel, 147p per litre and 53.3mpg, it'l cost you £3,134.44 to do 25k, a difference of £609.64 in favour of the diesel - per annum However, you'll be paying £130 a month more and then there's servicing which will cost more., leaving you at least £950.36 a year better off on the petrol... dilemmas.....

9th May 2012, 14:28	#5 (permalink)
okehciv Supporter Join Date: 21st January 2007 Location: shaw gtr manchester Posts: 2,985 Thanks given: 123 Thanked 359 Times in 338 Posts iTrader: (1)	Trev, it a dilemma that I don't envy that you have to make, a slightly older EX GT which Lincspoacher put forward is probably the way I would go to be honest. Am sure you will have plenty of replies to mull over. Of course a full service history is a must Best of luck

9th May 2012, 14:35	#6 (permalink)
trevolly Thread starter Join Date: 14th August 2011 Location: UK Posts: 24 Thanks given: 3 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	Thanks for all the info guys. I'm really struggling. The dealers are trying to push me towards an older 2.2 diesel EX with 24k and a 2007 plate but the thing is (I'm prob being stupid here) a bit of me is bulking at buying a car that is older than the one I have. The dealer that has the demo 2.2, 2012 diesel has just called and said that he looked in to the running costs of the new diesel and has said tbh I'd be better off buying a brand new 1.8 petrol if I was looking at spending that kind of cash (is he saying that because he has "new sales" figures to hit??) I've been spoilt rotten by the looks of the Type R that I own now, even the dealer has said its one of the best condition Type R's he's seen and I get out of it most days and smile at it (sad huh!!) I'm not a boy racer (I'm an old git at 39!!) but having only been driving for coming up to 2 years I like to have a nice car, and the Ti does look nice. It's just the fact that its a base model "old style" Civic deep down.

9th May 2012, 15:01	#7 (permalink)
Jeza Type R GT Milano GP Kit Car: 2007 GT CTR, Milano Red Join Date: 5th April 2012 Location: Germany & Lincs UK Posts: 2,156 Thanks given: 492 Thanked 259 Times in 218 Posts iTrader: (1)	Just gas convert your Type R it's just over a grand then all you have to do is put abit of petrol in and run your car on gas most of the time. It'll bring your car tax down, only 80p ltr and the tank will fit into your boot storage space nicely. Cause it's gonna be cheaper than paying £400 per month and you still keep your Type R. Thats what I'm doing in November. Go for the Prins gas convertion as thats the one that I've seen recommended for Honda Type R's. Hope that helps?

9th May 2012, 15:11	#9 (permalink)
Woette Car: '07 1.8 MR Type-S 63000 km Join Date: 7th October 2007 Location: Leuven, Belgium Posts: 1,833 Thanks given: 90 Thanked 115 Times in 114 Posts iTrader: (0)	I'd keep the R, you say you drive fairly heavily. Drive like that in the 1.8 and it will also return lowish mpg (around 35), the diesel will fair better but will also struggle to reach your expectations. I think if you drive the R sensibly and 65ish at the motorway i think you can get it to 40 mpg. Do they pay for the miles at your new work or is it all on your own cost? 180 miles daily commute is quite a lot! If they pay for it, i think its a no brainer!

9th May 2012, 20:58	#12 (permalink)
trevolly Thread starter Join Date: 14th August 2011 Location: UK Posts: 24 Thanks given: 3 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	I test drove the 1.8 Civic Ti earlier today and we reset the mpg when we left the garage - when we got back to the garage it was 36.5 mpg. I've just taken the Type R around exactly the same route and drove like I did with the Ti (and the sales rep in the car ) and I got 33.5 mpg. Normally I'm quite heavy on the revs pulling away from standstill where I tried to change gear much earlier this time - a bit like the Ti's shift indicator was telling me to. It just seems silly to change the car and increase my monthly repayment by £25 for 3-7 mpg's benefit.

9th May 2012, 21:44	#13 (permalink)
Sazzey Car: 2009 CTR Alabaster Silver Join Date: 9th August 2011 Location: Powys,WALES Posts: 7 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Keep the R,just change your driving style to and from work.Then happy days for the weekend

9th May 2012, 22:08	#14 (permalink)
markvirgo Type EX,A guy called Mark Car: 2006 1.8, Alabaster Silver Join Date: 22nd June 2007 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 1,983 Thanks given: 98 Thanked 328 Times in 281 Posts iTrader: (11)	I get 41.6mpg on my 1.8 and I have a varied drive including (off road )motorway at 80mph.

9th May 2012, 22:19	#15 (permalink)
egomaniac iVTEC, do you? Car: 2009 CTR, Red Join Date: 12th November 2007 Location: Newcastle, UK Posts: 414 Thanks given: 4 Thanked 28 Times in 27 Posts iTrader: (2)	41.6????? I am lucky to get 33 in my 1.8

9th May 2012, 22:21	#16 (permalink)
mpn_daedalus ...............Daedalus Car: CW Type R No. 460 Join Date: 5th August 2010 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,579 Thanks given: 222 Thanked 424 Times in 394 Posts iTrader: (3)	Definately keep the R lol.

9th May 2012, 22:34	#17 (permalink)
owls121 Supporter Car: 2009 Milano red GT Join Date: 21st March 2011 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,510 Thanks given: 65 Thanked 73 Times in 73 Posts iTrader: (1)	I'm the same mate, I'm starting a new job which is 70 miles one way! How ever I get £300 to help with fuel, so in all around £180 I have to put too, Just drive 60-65, you'll be fine, I would never get rid of my R for work! Ha

9th May 2012, 22:57	#18 (permalink)
J_H i-VTEC - DO YOU? Car: 2009 CTR, Black Join Date: 11th December 2008 Location: Woking, UK Posts: 3,055 Thanks given: 21 Thanked 215 Times in 200 Posts iTrader: (3)	I do 120 miles a day in my CTR. Full tank lasts three days, 360 miles. This is about 33 MPG. There was no saving to be had for me changing car or getting another run about so the CTR is racking the miles up q Sent from my Android using Tapatalk.

9th May 2012, 23:54	#20 (permalink)
LkyWorld Supporter Car: 2008 CTR, Milano Red Join Date: 8th December 2009 Location: Bristol Posts: 447 Thanks given: 40 Thanked 34 Times in 30 Posts iTrader: (3)	I done this sum before I got my ctr. Tbh I was looking at a Leon fr diesel but with the cost of diesel now adays the difference of nearly 10p is just not worth it plus I prefer the drive and noise of a petrol. The only way you could make a saving is go LPG and lose ** lower folding boot. Plus would save you the extra 9grand on the diesel u would be buying log plus more mods if u have that money to burn? If your gonna go for anything go for a prius as that's the only way you would gain after 20years of driving it which u won't. Keep the type r and debate a lpg conversion. might be best decision u ever made.