Cloned Number Plate?

clowner · 28th November 2007, 09:15

Someone is driving around london in a silver passat with the reg of my Black Civic.

Got a fine for driving down a one way street the wrong way, which they have photo graphic evidence (which i have seen).

Anyone any expereince of this and know what the best course of action is regarding police/insurance etc?

allan40alt · 28th November 2007, 09:47

In the first instance I would photograph your car with the legitimate registration and send it to them pointing out that it is not your vehicle; with copies to the local police for the area concerned.

If they check the DVLA records they will see that your reg applies to a NHB Civic and not a Silver Passat.

...or just phone them and tell them to check it out.

Dimplyred · 28th November 2007, 10:00

You'd have thought they'd have checked this before sending the fine. How long does it take to check a registration number on the vehicle database.

bucketp · 28th November 2007, 10:02

This happened to my brother in law a few years back, there was another car driving round Edinburgh with the same reg, turns out it was the dvla's fault they had issued the number twice!!! All turned out ok in the end they issued the newer car a new number. Just shows its not always criminals.

Unknownsoldier · 28th November 2007, 10:03

Also a photocopy of your V5 showing your reg etc. Then a letter to the inspector in charge indicating you are refusing to pay on the grounds that...... and then file a seperate charge at your police station.

Tom

mrh339 · 28th November 2007, 10:05

Happened to one of our trucks at work and ended up with loads of tickets, In the end had to go before a magistrate and swear on oath that it was not our vehicle.

ADENGUNNER · 28th November 2007, 10:10

Firstly HI

Have just joined your site (after ordering my new steed, Type R, only 10 days to go!).
Under the new Fraud Act that was ratified in April this year, it is now illegal to manufacture any instrument i.e. credit card, number plate etc in order to make a financial gain. The only query would be what financial gain is this idot going to gain? I expect you may be getting other visits especially when they possibly top up with fuel and drive off without paying for it!
It was good advice to photo your car and also let DVLA know, they will probably refer you to the Police, but the answer is to cover your back.

Dimplyred · 28th November 2007, 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADENGUNNER

Firstly HI

Have just joined your site (after ordering my new steed, Type R, only 10 days to go!).
Under the new Fraud Act that was ratified in April this year, it is now illegal to manufacture any instrument i.e. credit card, number plate etc in order to make a financial gain. The only query would be what financial gain is this idot going to gain? I expect you may be getting other visits especially when they possibly top up with fuel and drive off without paying for it!
It was good advice to photo your car and also let DVLA know, they will probably refer you to the Police, but the answer is to cover your back.

Yes, I think this will be the first of a few tickets you will get until this is sorted.

At least it is different car, so it shouldn't be too hard to sort out, hopefully.

Unknownsoldier · 28th November 2007, 10:51

Thats the financial gain, fee fuel, no NIP, No CG either etc.

Also if it is a cloned plate it is possible that it is going to be used in a robbery/burglarly etc. (as the going down a one way street may be a getaway route, I refer you to Crimewatch about 6 months ago where a gang used false plates, carjacked cars, and one way streets to make a very successful getaway).

Go to:

A) Police - Immediately, that way you cover your back sooner, rather than later.
B) DVLA - Another cover your a*se scenario

Tom

Bog · 28th November 2007, 10:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimplyred

You'd have thought they'd have checked this before sending the fine. How long does it take to check a registration number on the vehicle database.

Quite right - idiots! Would take two minutes to check!

I would ignore it and let them drag me to court, waste their time and money and then counter claim for costs and compensation for stress

Unknownsoldier · 28th November 2007, 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrh339

Happened to one of our trucks at work and ended up with loads of tickets, In the end had to go before a magistrate and swear on oath that it was not our vehicle.

Very trusting of them!, Mind you though a pink mini, hardly looks like a white van

mrh339 · 28th November 2007, 10:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimplyred

Yes, I think this will be the first of a few tickets you will get until this is sorted.

At least it is different car, so it shouldn't be too hard to sort out, hopefully.

Yep, Thats just what i thought. Im affraid its just a right load of hassle as each council / ticket issuer deals only with their own tickets and it can involve a load of paperwork.

Unknownsoldier · 28th November 2007, 11:03

Five minutes I'll check if I've got a suitable letter for you in my pack.

Tom

Unknownsoldier · 28th November 2007, 11:08

0207 747 4707 Parking and Traffic appeals service (for all PCN issued in London).

Sorry thats all I've got for the moment, although give the guys above a bell and they may be able to point you in the right direction

Tom

Topcat · 28th November 2007, 12:06

These things are such a pain in the bum and time consuming!!

Slightly different but my brother was going to buy a Focus ST from a Ford garage a couple of years back, he decided against it and then a few months later received a speeding ticket for the car. It turned out that Ford had registered the car at DVLA in his name and an employee was using it!!

Essexboy · 28th November 2007, 13:42

If you've been cloned you can apply to the DVLA for a new registration, will save you the hassle of it happening again...

Silver Fox 2008 · 9th February 2008, 14:00

Is cloning the main reason why ciVinfo members hide their number plate in photographs

If so, I'll have to get busy!

robbo51 · 9th February 2008, 14:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Fox 2008

Is cloning the main reason why ciVinfo members hide their number plate in photographs

If so, I'll have to get busy!

Yes and general internet security too

pcr · 9th February 2008, 14:39

A letter to the Police and another to the DVLA is as far as I would go, the authorities should be able to deal with this in minutes. After all, it's their problem and not yours, same should be true for identity theft, but we allow the banks to blame us.

civicfan · 9th February 2008, 14:53

a similar story with stolen number plates, if you don't report it immediately next day you have a hearing @ the police - as a suspect (because the thief escapes with a full tank from the gas station - with your plate)

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This thread is about: Cloned Number Plate?, it's in General Discussion at the Honda Civic forum Civinfo; Someone is driving around london in a silver passat with the reg of my Black Civic. Got a fine for driving down a one way ...

28th November 2007, 09:47	#2 (permalink)
allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 6 Thanked 27 Times in 26 Posts	In the first instance I would photograph your car with the legitimate registration and send it to them pointing out that it is not your vehicle; with copies to the local police for the area concerned. If they check the DVLA records they will see that your reg applies to a NHB Civic and not a Silver Passat. ...or just phone them and tell them to check it out.

28th November 2007, 10:00	#3 (permalink)
Dimplyred Type R GT 09570 Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th August 2007 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 3,253 Thanks: 16 Thanked 41 Times in 41 Posts	You'd have thought they'd have checked this before sending the fine. How long does it take to check a registration number on the vehicle database.

28th November 2007, 10:02	#4 (permalink)
bucketp Exiled Englishman Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 23rd October 2007 Location: Peebles, Scottish Borders Posts: 361 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This happened to my brother in law a few years back, there was another car driving round Edinburgh with the same reg, turns out it was the dvla's fault they had issued the number twice!!! All turned out ok in the end they issued the newer car a new number. Just shows its not always criminals.

28th November 2007, 10:03	#5 (permalink)
Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,261 Thanks: 37 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts	Also a photocopy of your V5 showing your reg etc. Then a letter to the inspector in charge indicating you are refusing to pay on the grounds that...... and then file a seperate charge at your police station. Tom

28th November 2007, 10:05	#6 (permalink)
mrh339 Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 27th September 2007 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 337 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Happened to one of our trucks at work and ended up with loads of tickets, In the end had to go before a magistrate and swear on oath that it was not our vehicle.

28th November 2007, 10:10	#7 (permalink)
ADENGUNNER Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 28th November 2007 Location: Somerset Posts: 110 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Firstly HI Have just joined your site (after ordering my new steed, Type R, only 10 days to go!). Under the new Fraud Act that was ratified in April this year, it is now illegal to manufacture any instrument i.e. credit card, number plate etc in order to make a financial gain. The only query would be what financial gain is this idot going to gain? I expect you may be getting other visits especially when they possibly top up with fuel and drive off without paying for it! It was good advice to photo your car and also let DVLA know, they will probably refer you to the Police, but the answer is to cover your back.

28th November 2007, 10:51	#9 (permalink)
Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,261 Thanks: 37 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts	Thats the financial gain, fee fuel, no NIP, No CG either etc. Also if it is a cloned plate it is possible that it is going to be used in a robbery/burglarly etc. (as the going down a one way street may be a getaway route, I refer you to Crimewatch about 6 months ago where a gang used false plates, carjacked cars, and one way streets to make a very successful getaway). Go to: A) Police - Immediately, that way you cover your back sooner, rather than later. B) DVLA - Another cover your a*se scenario Tom

28th November 2007, 11:03	#13 (permalink)
Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,261 Thanks: 37 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts	Five minutes I'll check if I've got a suitable letter for you in my pack. Tom

28th November 2007, 11:08	#14 (permalink)
Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,261 Thanks: 37 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts	0207 747 4707 Parking and Traffic appeals service (for all PCN issued in London). Sorry thats all I've got for the moment, although give the guys above a bell and they may be able to point you in the right direction Tom

28th November 2007, 12:06	#15 (permalink)
Topcat Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 11th May 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 2,739 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	These things are such a pain in the bum and time consuming!! Slightly different but my brother was going to buy a Focus ST from a Ford garage a couple of years back, he decided against it and then a few months later received a speeding ticket for the car. It turned out that Ford had registered the car at DVLA in his name and an employee was using it!!

28th November 2007, 13:42	#16 (permalink)
Essexboy Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 9th June 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 171 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	If you've been cloned you can apply to the DVLA for a new registration, will save you the hassle of it happening again...

9th February 2008, 14:00	#17 (permalink)
Silver Fox 2008 Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 29th December 2007 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is cloning the main reason why ciVinfo members hide their number plate in photographs If so, I'll have to get busy!

9th February 2008, 14:39	#19 (permalink)
pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 842 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	A letter to the Police and another to the DVLA is as far as I would go, the authorities should be able to deal with this in minutes. After all, it's their problem and not yours, same should be true for identity theft, but we allow the banks to blame us.

9th February 2008, 14:53	#20 (permalink)
civicfan Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 13th September 2007 Posts: 747 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	a similar story with stolen number plates, if you don't report it immediately next day you have a hearing @ the police - as a suspect (because the thief escapes with a full tank from the gas station - with your plate)