Handbrake failure compensation - Page 3

Pottsy · 1st December 2007, 21:34

Indeed, but I still did it on my Porsches, and most scarily of all, on my Z with its forged Rays (forged wheels are seriously expensive). But it's all just a belt and braces thing, and not needed in my opinion if you just shove it into gear. A car in reverse is not going to go far on its own.

Charley Farley · 1st December 2007, 22:46

Hi Topcat

I have never thought of putting the car in gear before buying this car. I always rely on the handbrake. In fact I don't think I have ever had a handbrake fail in 27 years of motoring.

Charley Farley · 1st December 2007, 22:47

[quote=Charley Farley;125259]Hi Topcat

I know people are divided about leaving the car in gear but again how many people actually do this? I dont know anyone that does it (this forum excluded) and in 24 years of owning a car I have never done it until now as it has never been an issue.

I have never thought of putting the car in gear before buying this car. I always rely on the handbrake. In fact I don't think I have ever had a handbrake fail in 27 years of motoring.

Charley Farley · 1st December 2007, 22:48

Hi Topcat

I have never thought of putting the car in gear before buying this car. I always rely on the handbrake. In fact I don't think I have ever had a handbrake fail in 27 years of motoring.

Unknownsoldier · 1st December 2007, 23:16

We heard you the first time

Tom

alanwalne · 1st December 2007, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimplyred

I don't suppose you have Rage's fitted though. There is no margin for error with these wheels as the rim is level with the tyre sidewall and the sidewall itself is only three inches high. It would be very easy to over do it and hit the kerb. Whilst I am not denying it is good practice, it is something I choose not to do.

While I always leave a car in gear, I have never turned my wheels to the kerb. However if you look at the pictures, with the wheels turned, the wheels are kept away from the kerb by the tyres. The wheels can only catch the kerb if they are not turned.

ritchie_perriam · 2nd December 2007, 02:31

i took my car for a test drive and when we returned to the dealers i parked in the space (which was a slight slope) appied the handbrake, and when i was getting out the car the handbrake just jumped off with a bang. i assumed this was me not applying it properly and thought nothing of it but now i know the truth!!!!!!

and the sales guy didnt even mention this when i asked if there was any known problems with the civic. maybe he just didnt know about this problem or maybe he was being sneaky!

will have to watch out for that cos the slope was very minor and i wouldnt even concider any other methods of keeping my car in 1 place than the handbreak! my driveway is steeper!!!!!!!!

Dimplyred · 2nd December 2007, 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwalne

While I always leave a car in gear, I have never turned my wheels to the kerb. However if you look at the pictures, with the wheels turned, the wheels are kept away from the kerb by the tyres. The wheels can only catch the kerb if they are not turned.

Fair point if you have wheels with deep enough tyres. But take a look at a rage wheel close up you will see what I mean, there is so little rubber on them they would easily touch the kerb if turned towards it.

Topcat · 2nd December 2007, 14:21

Why dont the dealers leave the cars on display in the showroom and on the forecourt in gear if this is the correct thing to do?

TTDegs · 2nd December 2007, 16:56

becuase there is 'correct' and there is 'what I've learnt to do in X years of drving, but got away with it so far'...

Just like an awful lot of drivers (myself included) drive around with one hand on the gearstick for a lot of the time - shouldn't do it, but it's a (bad) habbit I've got in to

ASH · 2nd December 2007, 17:21

ASH · 2nd December 2007, 17:25

Being a foreigner in UK, I noticed poeple don't put in gear when parked. Perhaps because it's not so hilly in England? I see it's more common practice in other part of the world.

Topcat · 2nd December 2007, 17:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTDegs

becuase there is 'correct' and there is 'what I've learnt to do in X years of drving, but got away with it so far'...

Just like an awful lot of drivers (myself included) drive around with one hand on the gearstick for a lot of the time - shouldn't do it, but it's a (bad) habbit I've got in to

But TT driving around with your hand on a gearstick will not cause a potential fatal accident will it? That does not answer the question, why if Honda say the correct way to park is to leave the car in gear with the wheels turned a certain way, is this not the practice followed within the dealerships?

Surely if this is part of the rules of driving why was I never told in my driving lessons to park the car in gear?

If the cars at the forecourt suddenly roll forward an kill someone does that mean Honda are not insured because they were parked incorrectly? I think not.

HappyMan · 2nd December 2007, 17:51

As you know I live in poland, where they generally don't use the handbrake

, they simply put it into gear. I was a little shocked at first and even though I still use my handbrake, I now automatically put my car in to gear, as I have a security measure that means i have to do so. I am interested to see how I cope with the new civic and putting it into gear as it cannot have the bearlock security feature fitted.

alanwalne · 2nd December 2007, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimplyred

Fair point if you have wheels with deep enough tyres. But take a look at a rage wheel close up you will see what I mean, there is so little rubber on them they would easily touch the kerb if turned towards it.

Fair point having 'massive 55 profile' tyres I can get away with it.
Anyway the slope would have to be rediculusly steep to require turning in.
I'm not sure I would want to damage my tyres if the kerb was rough. Perhaps I am unusually sensitive today as I have had to buy 4 new tyres after only 21000 miles!!

sturgi · 3rd December 2007, 10:01

Has Honda sent a ltr to all owners as my wife has not rec anything. I tend to put my Accord into gear when parking as owned a Vectra for a short time

and rolling away was a known problem.

Milano_Jon · 3rd December 2007, 10:24

I have ALWAYS ever left all my cars in gear, whether parking on the flat, or on a hill. Having owned bangers and land rovers, it's become habit, and i'd still would not trust a brake on the rear wheels alone to hold a car on a hill.

The letter contradicts how i was taught by my driving instructor on how to apply a handbrake. He always made me depress the button when applying the handbrake.

Brodick · 3rd December 2007, 10:53

Still no Letter arrived here either

mattlittle · 3rd December 2007, 11:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASH

Being a foreigner in UK, I noticed poeple don't put in gear when parked. Perhaps because it's not so hilly in England? I see it's more common practice in other part of the world.

What about Scotland - full of hills and yet people don't do it here either.

Brodick · 3rd December 2007, 11:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattlittle

What about Scotland - full of hills and yet people don't do it here either.

Well they bl***y well should

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Charley Farley Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 25th September 2006 Location: Greenford West London Posts: 478 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Topcat I have never thought of putting the car in gear before buying this car. I always rely on the handbrake. In fact I don't think I have ever had a handbrake fail in 27 years of motoring. Last edited by Charley Farley; 1st December 2007 at 22:52.

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ASH Wheelnut Join Date: 29th September 2007 Location: London Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Being a foreigner in UK, I noticed poeple don't put in gear when parked. Perhaps because it's not so hilly in England? I see it's more common practice in other part of the world. Last edited by ASH; 2nd December 2007 at 18:01.

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This thread is about: Handbrake failure compensation, it's in General Discussion at the Honda Civic forum Civinfo; Indeed, but I still did it on my Porsches, and most scarily of all, on my Z with its forged Rays (forged wheels are seriously ...

1st December 2007, 21:34	#41 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 4,775 Thanks: 7 Thanked 64 Times in 33 Posts	Indeed, but I still did it on my Porsches, and most scarily of all, on my Z with its forged Rays (forged wheels are seriously expensive). But it's all just a belt and braces thing, and not needed in my opinion if you just shove it into gear. A car in reverse is not going to go far on its own.

1st December 2007, 22:47	#43 (permalink)
Charley Farley Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 25th September 2006 Location: Greenford West London Posts: 478 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	[quote=Charley Farley;125259]Hi Topcat I know people are divided about leaving the car in gear but again how many people actually do this? I dont know anyone that does it (this forum excluded) and in 24 years of owning a car I have never done it until now as it has never been an issue. I have never thought of putting the car in gear before buying this car. I always rely on the handbrake. In fact I don't think I have ever had a handbrake fail in 27 years of motoring.

1st December 2007, 22:48	#44 (permalink)
Charley Farley Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 25th September 2006 Location: Greenford West London Posts: 478 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Topcat I have never thought of putting the car in gear before buying this car. I always rely on the handbrake. In fact I don't think I have ever had a handbrake fail in 27 years of motoring.

1st December 2007, 23:16	#45 (permalink)
Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,275 Thanks: 40 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts	We heard you the first time Tom

2nd December 2007, 02:31	#47 (permalink)
ritchie_perriam Tyre Shredder Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 30th November 2007 Location: guildford, surrey Posts: 277 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	i took my car for a test drive and when we returned to the dealers i parked in the space (which was a slight slope) appied the handbrake, and when i was getting out the car the handbrake just jumped off with a bang. i assumed this was me not applying it properly and thought nothing of it but now i know the truth!!!!!! and the sales guy didnt even mention this when i asked if there was any known problems with the civic. maybe he just didnt know about this problem or maybe he was being sneaky! will have to watch out for that cos the slope was very minor and i wouldnt even concider any other methods of keeping my car in 1 place than the handbreak! my driveway is steeper!!!!!!!!

2nd December 2007, 14:21	#49 (permalink)
Topcat Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 11th May 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 2,739 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Why dont the dealers leave the cars on display in the showroom and on the forecourt in gear if this is the correct thing to do?

2nd December 2007, 16:56	#50 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	becuase there is 'correct' and there is 'what I've learnt to do in X years of drving, but got away with it so far'... Just like an awful lot of drivers (myself included) drive around with one hand on the gearstick for a lot of the time - shouldn't do it, but it's a (bad) habbit I've got in to

2nd December 2007, 17:51	#54 (permalink)
HappyMan Super Moderator Rocketship door handle Join Date: 16th August 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 1,669 Thanks: 9 Thanked 29 Times in 28 Posts	As you know I live in poland, where they generally don't use the handbrake , they simply put it into gear. I was a little shocked at first and even though I still use my handbrake, I now automatically put my car in to gear, as I have a security measure that means i have to do so. I am interested to see how I cope with the new civic and putting it into gear as it cannot have the bearlock security feature fitted.

3rd December 2007, 10:01	#56 (permalink)
sturgi Valve Cap Join Date: 11th September 2007 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Has Honda sent a ltr to all owners as my wife has not rec anything. I tend to put my Accord into gear when parking as owned a Vectra for a short time and rolling away was a known problem.

3rd December 2007, 10:24	#57 (permalink)
Milano_Jon Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 17th July 2007 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 100 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have ALWAYS ever left all my cars in gear, whether parking on the flat, or on a hill. Having owned bangers and land rovers, it's become habit, and i'd still would not trust a brake on the rear wheels alone to hold a car on a hill. The letter contradicts how i was taught by my driving instructor on how to apply a handbrake. He always made me depress the button when applying the handbrake.

3rd December 2007, 10:53	#58 (permalink)
Brodick Perfect Guy! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 2nd December 2006 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 1,657 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Still no Letter arrived here either