Glad its gone - Page 5

Pumatron · 19th October 2007, 13:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hartside

Pumatron, your take on life is exactly the same as my Honda dealer!

(but £18,000 is a fortune to me!)

LOL

, I'm afraid that is what working in a main dealer for 14 years does to you.....Mr Laidback

Honcho · 19th October 2007, 13:40

There are occasions in life where opposing views are both right. This may well be one of them. Not all Civics are faulty. Not all Civics are fault free. The same applies to other marques. When an expensive, new car exhibits faults it's natural for the owner to be angry. When it doesn't, it's natural for the owner to express his/her delight. But neither has any right at all to demean or criticise the other's legitimate view of their own property. Expressions of anger or delight on this site made by members on the quality of their own purchases are perfectly natural and they should be warmly welcomed.

Pauly-b · 19th October 2007, 14:08

This is a very interesting set of views here on both sides..

We (People in general) do seem to go to either extreme with our cars - either it's either the greatest thing in the world, or the worst.

I've just joined as 'her ladyship' has just bought a Type S GT Diesel but since I'm not caught up with the excitement of it being my own car perhaps I can make a few comments - with any luck I can upset both sides!

The reasons why the car was chosen are well documented here - exterior & interior looks, pleasant drive, good fuel economy etc

But, having had a Honda Accord Type R many years ago cast-iron reliabilty was not one of them - quite frankly it was shocking. As far as I'm concerned at this point Honda make cars that are par for the course for quality and not the shining beacon of reliability they were many years ago - Having said that my wife was happy to balance this against what she wanted in the car.

This isn't to say we shouldn't expect (hope for?) good reliabiity but I just don't see Honda in that way anymore.

Havings said all that the Civic is a groovy looking thing with some character obviously aimed at a younger market - the cynical side of me would say that Honda failed to sell enough well made cars aimed at....ahem.....the more mature customer and said 'bugger this lets make it funky, reduce the quality and see what happens.' Some of the plastics inside, for example, are pathetic, granted I drive an Audi but come on Honda... And if you think Honda customer care is poor I'll do you a twenty page rant on bloomin' Audi dealers...

There are people here with major issues but the majority are without - it doesn't make it any more acceptable to those with the problems but 'dems are the facts'. We always publicise negatives in any area far more than the positives.

This website has proved hugely useful for us to see the real issues and also the benefits. Yes there are the usual ' My Civic is the best ever' posts and the laughables 'No, the Type R won't do 163 MPH for god sake' but overall it seems to be a good group of people enjoying their cars, telling us why and discussing pro's and cons - keep it up!

Anyway first post rant over and nice to meet you all!

Cad · 19th October 2007, 14:12

That's a well thought out post Pauly (and I agree with pretty much all of it).

Oh, and welcome to Civinfo

okehciv · 19th October 2007, 15:12

Nice one Pauly

Hartside · 19th October 2007, 15:52

Good post Pauly!

In response to some of the others, of course things go wrong and I accept that. What I can't accept is recurring faults. Anyway, enough now from me on this subject, done to death I think

geoff · 19th October 2007, 16:19

lots of views

be back in six months

maybe start another good debate

Minkster · 19th October 2007, 16:52

I'm definately in the pro-Honda camp (for now at least) but acknowledge there were problems on early cars and clearly some of the Honda dealers are poor - although thats probably the case with all manufacturers.

What does irk me a bit is when people who have problems, seem to be very vocal in indicating that its a problem with the Civic range itself, and as a previous poster said - Civic drivers must be happy testing the car for Honda (paraphrased). Thats simply not the case and its cheeky to suggest it is.

Its unfortunate that early-adopters are experiencing problems but I don't necessarily think thats representative of the *vast majority* of owners, so its not fair to suggest it is.

Just my opinion.

Brodick · 19th October 2007, 16:52

Mostly saying they are more than happy with their Civics

You just can't stay awaya can you Geoff

I think secretly you are considering buying a newer model civic

jayt43 · 19th October 2007, 16:58

Don't knock him Brodick. Geoff has already packed his bags twice and missed the ferry just to keep up with this thread!

And somebody, somewhere is already drinking your Sangria, Geoff!

geoff · 19th October 2007, 17:00

How did you guess
I find a new handle and come back as your friend

Mind you the new honda motorbike I bought a month ago is fine

The dealer is always friendly smile on his face etc etc

Mine you he could just be laughing at the stupid Englishman

geoff · 19th October 2007, 17:01

Its all Right we live in France now

longitude · 19th October 2007, 19:10

I love my 2.2 diesel Civic. I've had it for three weeks and I still look forward to getting in and setting off for work BUT I do have reservations about the build quality. I've previously owned a CRV, previous model Civic and an Accord and I have to say this Civic doesn't feel as well built. I'm waiting for the dealer to sort out a nasty buzz coming from the left hand side of the dash at 1700 rpm and it's spoiling my enjoyment of what is otherwise an excellent car. If they fix it I'll be a much happier owner but like others in this thread I don't think Honda have done themselves any favours by producing a car that doesn't match up to previous build quality.

KillingJoker · 26th October 2007, 19:57

Hi All,

Got shot of mine at the end of August. After fault after fault I'd had enough and decided to go back to a little 4x4 (bought a 3 Door Suzuki Grand Vitara 1.9DDiS). Possibly not as refined as the Honda, and generally lacking in toys compared to the 55 plate 1.8EX I traded in, but I'm back to enjoying my daily drive again.

I miss the built-in Sat Nav and mobile hands free kit which came with the Honda, but that's about all. I've had a lot of questions from people who've asked why I got rid and I've had to tell them the saga of issues I had with it and they then understand why.

It's a real shame and I've lost a shed load of money in trading it in so soon, but c'est la vie.

I just hope Honda have taken on board comments from the owners and looked at the faults people are experiencing and put their house in order.

Cheers,
KJ

lippy · 26th October 2007, 20:23

My god, what a passionate lot we are - for or against - and all very vocal!!

Well, to add my twopenneth worth, i respect other peoples views and was sorry to see that Geoff got rid of his civic. Like all places that sell things, (eg shops/ garages/ communications companies) you will always have one who falls over backwards to help and another who treats you like dirt when you complain and I think HUK could do better in this repect. However my dealer has always been helpful and I get on with them very well. I will be keeping my civic for a few years yet.

A member of staff at my dealer has also told me that a lot of the things owners have complained about and suggestions on this site will be fixed / incorporated in the revised model - like connection for ipods (the jazz and accord have it) but couldnt tell me when !

(PS - i have had the fuel filler cap replaced but everything else has checked out ok on the recall checks with no other problems.)

geoff · 5th February 2008, 18:47

No problem with the dual zone auto climate control on my vw touran
not like it was on my civic es

Topcat · 5th February 2008, 18:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by geoff

No problem with the dual zone auto climate control on my vw touran
not like it was on my civic es

GEOFF !!!!

Good to hear from you again - glad your car is all in working order

geoff · 6th February 2008, 08:04

Hi TC

Long time no speak

hows the civic or are you still driving the jazz?

Only one vist to the vw dealer since I had the car and fixed on first visit

But as brodrick would say if you buy an old fashion car it can be fixed by

anyone.

Regards to everyone on the forum

Topcat · 6th February 2008, 08:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by geoff

Hi TC

Long time no speak

hows the civic or are you still driving the jazz?

Only one vist to the vw dealer since I had the car and fixed on first visit

But as brodrick would say if you buy an old fashion car it can be fixed by

anyone.

Regards to everyone on the forum

Hiya Geoff

Not driving either as now I sold my civic to a Honda dealer and got myself a very nice Ford Focus which I am thoroughly enjoying driving

Brods is hurt by the whole situation but never mind he will learn to adjust

Take Care

Ramsay · 6th February 2008, 09:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topcat

Hiya Geoff

Not driving either as now I sold my civic to a Honda dealer and got myself a very nice Ford Focus which I am thoroughly enjoying driving

Brods is hurt by the whole situation but never mind he will learn to adjust

Take Care

Hi Ya TC
Are you going to put your posts up for auction ?, might get a couple of quid back.

19th October 2007, 16:19	#87 (permalink)
geoff Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 20th May 2006 Posts: 533 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	good thread lots of views be back in six months maybe start another good debate

19th October 2007, 17:00	#91 (permalink)
geoff Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 20th May 2006 Posts: 533 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Broders How did you guess I find a new handle and come back as your friend Mind you the new honda motorbike I bought a month ago is fine The dealer is always friendly smile on his face etc etc Mine you he could just be laughing at the stupid Englishman

19th October 2007, 17:01	#92 (permalink)
geoff Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 20th May 2006 Posts: 533 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jay Its all Right we live in France now

5th February 2008, 18:47	#96 (permalink)
geoff Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 20th May 2006 Posts: 533 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	vw touran No problem with the dual zone auto climate control on my vw touran not like it was on my civic es

6th February 2008, 08:04	#98 (permalink)
geoff Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 20th May 2006 Posts: 533 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Hi TC Long time no speak hows the civic or are you still driving the jazz? Only one vist to the vw dealer since I had the car and fixed on first visit But as brodrick would say if you buy an old fashion car it can be fixed by anyone. Regards to everyone on the forum


This thread is about: Glad its gone, it's in And goodbye at the Honda Civic forum Civinfo; Originally Posted by Hartside Pumatron, your take on life is exactly the same as my Honda dealer! (but £18,000 is a fortune to me!) LOL ...

19th October 2007, 13:40	#82 (permalink)
Honcho Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 5th October 2006 Posts: 258 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	There are occasions in life where opposing views are both right. This may well be one of them. Not all Civics are faulty. Not all Civics are fault free. The same applies to other marques. When an expensive, new car exhibits faults it's natural for the owner to be angry. When it doesn't, it's natural for the owner to express his/her delight. But neither has any right at all to demean or criticise the other's legitimate view of their own property. Expressions of anger or delight on this site made by members on the quality of their own purchases are perfectly natural and they should be warmly welcomed.

19th October 2007, 14:08	#83 (permalink)
Pauly-b Valve Cap Join Date: 3rd October 2007 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This is a very interesting set of views here on both sides.. We (People in general) do seem to go to either extreme with our cars - either it's either the greatest thing in the world, or the worst. I've just joined as 'her ladyship' has just bought a Type S GT Diesel but since I'm not caught up with the excitement of it being my own car perhaps I can make a few comments - with any luck I can upset both sides! The reasons why the car was chosen are well documented here - exterior & interior looks, pleasant drive, good fuel economy etc But, having had a Honda Accord Type R many years ago cast-iron reliabilty was not one of them - quite frankly it was shocking. As far as I'm concerned at this point Honda make cars that are par for the course for quality and not the shining beacon of reliability they were many years ago - Having said that my wife was happy to balance this against what she wanted in the car. This isn't to say we shouldn't expect (hope for?) good reliabiity but I just don't see Honda in that way anymore. Havings said all that the Civic is a groovy looking thing with some character obviously aimed at a younger market - the cynical side of me would say that Honda failed to sell enough well made cars aimed at....ahem.....the more mature customer and said 'bugger this lets make it funky, reduce the quality and see what happens.' Some of the plastics inside, for example, are pathetic, granted I drive an Audi but come on Honda... And if you think Honda customer care is poor I'll do you a twenty page rant on bloomin' Audi dealers... There are people here with major issues but the majority are without - it doesn't make it any more acceptable to those with the problems but 'dems are the facts'. We always publicise negatives in any area far more than the positives. This website has proved hugely useful for us to see the real issues and also the benefits. Yes there are the usual ' My Civic is the best ever' posts and the laughables 'No, the Type R won't do 163 MPH for god sake' but overall it seems to be a good group of people enjoying their cars, telling us why and discussing pro's and cons - keep it up! Anyway first post rant over and nice to meet you all!

19th October 2007, 14:12	#84 (permalink)
Cad estranged Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 5th June 2006 Location: Upstairs Posts: 390 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That's a well thought out post Pauly (and I agree with pretty much all of it). Oh, and welcome to Civinfo

19th October 2007, 15:12	#85 (permalink)
okehciv Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 21st January 2007 Location: shaw gtr manchester Posts: 896 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Nice one Pauly

19th October 2007, 15:52	#86 (permalink)
Hartside Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 4th May 2006 Location: Northumberland Posts: 549 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Good post Pauly! In response to some of the others, of course things go wrong and I accept that. What I can't accept is recurring faults. Anyway, enough now from me on this subject, done to death I think

19th October 2007, 16:52	#88 (permalink)
Minkster Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 31st May 2007 Location: Grantham, UK Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm definately in the pro-Honda camp (for now at least) but acknowledge there were problems on early cars and clearly some of the Honda dealers are poor - although thats probably the case with all manufacturers. What does irk me a bit is when people who have problems, seem to be very vocal in indicating that its a problem with the Civic range itself, and as a previous poster said - Civic drivers must be happy testing the car for Honda (paraphrased). Thats simply not the case and its cheeky to suggest it is. Its unfortunate that early-adopters are experiencing problems but I don't necessarily think thats representative of the vast majority of owners, so its not fair to suggest it is. Just my opinion.

19th October 2007, 16:52	#89 (permalink)
Brodick Perfect Guy! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 2nd December 2006 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 1,656 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Mostly saying they are more than happy with their Civics You just can't stay awaya can you Geoff I think secretly you are considering buying a newer model civic

19th October 2007, 16:58	#90 (permalink)
jayt43 Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 27th June 2006 Location: Budapest Posts: 509 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Don't knock him Brodick. Geoff has already packed his bags twice and missed the ferry just to keep up with this thread! And somebody, somewhere is already drinking your Sangria, Geoff!

19th October 2007, 19:10	#93 (permalink)
longitude 4th Honda Valve Cap Join Date: 29th August 2007 Location: St Albans Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I love my 2.2 diesel Civic. I've had it for three weeks and I still look forward to getting in and setting off for work BUT I do have reservations about the build quality. I've previously owned a CRV, previous model Civic and an Accord and I have to say this Civic doesn't feel as well built. I'm waiting for the dealer to sort out a nasty buzz coming from the left hand side of the dash at 1700 rpm and it's spoiling my enjoyment of what is otherwise an excellent car. If they fix it I'll be a much happier owner but like others in this thread I don't think Honda have done themselves any favours by producing a car that doesn't match up to previous build quality.

26th October 2007, 19:57	#94 (permalink)
KillingJoker Valve Cap Join Date: 1st September 2006 Location: Leicester, UK Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi All, Got shot of mine at the end of August. After fault after fault I'd had enough and decided to go back to a little 4x4 (bought a 3 Door Suzuki Grand Vitara 1.9DDiS). Possibly not as refined as the Honda, and generally lacking in toys compared to the 55 plate 1.8EX I traded in, but I'm back to enjoying my daily drive again. I miss the built-in Sat Nav and mobile hands free kit which came with the Honda, but that's about all. I've had a lot of questions from people who've asked why I got rid and I've had to tell them the saga of issues I had with it and they then understand why. It's a real shame and I've lost a shed load of money in trading it in so soon, but c'est la vie. I just hope Honda have taken on board comments from the owners and looked at the faults people are experiencing and put their house in order. Cheers, KJ

26th October 2007, 20:23	#95 (permalink)
lippy Bournemouth Belle Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 10th January 2007 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 394 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	My god, what a passionate lot we are - for or against - and all very vocal!! Well, to add my twopenneth worth, i respect other peoples views and was sorry to see that Geoff got rid of his civic. Like all places that sell things, (eg shops/ garages/ communications companies) you will always have one who falls over backwards to help and another who treats you like dirt when you complain and I think HUK could do better in this repect. However my dealer has always been helpful and I get on with them very well. I will be keeping my civic for a few years yet. A member of staff at my dealer has also told me that a lot of the things owners have complained about and suggestions on this site will be fixed / incorporated in the revised model - like connection for ipods (the jazz and accord have it) but couldnt tell me when ! (PS - i have had the fuel filler cap replaced but everything else has checked out ok on the recall checks with no other problems.)

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