Group Buy Remap for 2.2i-ctdi 185bhp from £375

[damianscott71]

Will look at having the Dyno done, it's mainly an issue with funds at the minute.... Does anybody know of a good dyno in/around Kettering, Northamptonshire?

Damian

[belliowalnut]

What's the news then Damian ?

[Glass Spider]

he's either peeling his eyballs off the back window or sitting in a layby (ala BG) engine dead and can't get out of the car.

[audijohn]

Yep hes speeding or screeming that the engines "blown"

[damianscott71]

Hello boys....



Damian

[Glass Spider]

is that the official report then Damian?

[belliowalnut]

Damian is either writing a long report on how great his new remapped Civic is, or waiting in a queue with his insurance company.

[Glass Spider]

Originally Posted by belliowalnut

Damian is either writing a long report on how great his new remapped Civic is, or waiting in a queue with his insurance company.

[damianscott71]

Hello boys & girls,

Thanks for bearing with me, it's been a busy couple of days!

Well, mission accomplished. Peter from Celtic arrived at approx 1.30 yesterday afternoon and got cracking with the job straigt away. He booted up his laptop, plugged the CAN cable into the OBD port of the car (under the steering wheel) started his software and downloaded the existing files from my car, saving them to a folder on his PC This took approx 10 minutes as we sat in the car whilst it poured down outside. He then emailed the file back to HQ via his Vodafone 3g connection. We had a brew (coffee) and waited 30 minutes for the file to be analysed and emailed back to Pete's laptop. Then a very brief 5 minutes to upload the specially prepared map to my car via the OBD port......

Then, the wife came home and I had to go and pick my son up from school. (We went in her car whilst Pete waited patiently in his car!)

Got back at about 3.50pm, and went straight out after I'd unloaded kids & associated gubbins. The car started first time as usual, no problems there. As we pulled out onto the road all seemed normal, low gears with light touch of the accelerator seemed pretty much as I remembered it, but as I pulled onto a roundabout and planted my foot as I would normally do to move out...... WOW!!!! Traction control light flashing, wet road..... The car flew! It didn't feel "peaky" like my Golf 2.0tdi when remapped, it felt smooth and progressive like the 2.2 i-ctdi always did, but much stronger and in fact, smoother throughout the rev range. Where the original map used to have a definite tail off post 3.5k revs, the remapped car now pulls ALL THE WAY through the rev range and pushes you back into your seat from about 2700rpm.

A quick blast up the A14 (in the dark & pouring rain) took me through the run of gears and brought back happy memories of overtaking in 6th gear without changing down that I'd so missed since selling the Golf. 2 or 3 junctions on, I pulled off the dual carriageway and manouevered round a couple of roundabouts, considering whether I should head for home back up the dual carriage way, or take the twisty country roads...... I opted for the latter and headed back across the mini roundabouts to nip back on a B road. As I crossed the roundabout, the traction control indicator flashed on, reminding me that I should be a tad more delicate with my right foot and I headed back via a couple of Northamptonshire villages, observing the speed limits (where appropriate!)

Through 30 zones, the car responded very smoothly and was very happy to sit in a high gear at very low revs. I recall driving at 27 mph in fifth, with the ECO lights fully lit and the MPG bar all the way across the car's display. The engine was barely pulling 1200rpm. Then, once clear of the villages, it pulled, WITHOUT changing gear through to the national speed limit (whatever that is) in fifth!

I don't want to bore you with detail (if I haven't already), but I've got to say that the map is smooth, the work is done quickly and professionally and the extra power that the work unleashed will bring a smile to the most miserable of miserable people.

What's more, the best is yet to come.... Pete from Celtic informs me that the ECU of the car will take a hundred miles or so to settle itself down into the new map and so currently, we're only seeing approx 90% of the full performance increase that the new map can offer. God help me.

I didn't get a rolling road before or after. I couldn't afford the time (or money) to justify it, but having driven a number or remapped cars in the past (previous 3 cars all remapped) I can categorically say that the Celtic map is worth every penny spent! The car pulls progressively and smoothly throughout the rev range, and is immensly fast. I am chuffed to bits with the quality of workmanship and am actually looking forward to my drive to work on Monday. HOW SAD IS THAT?!?!?

I'm out and about for most of the weekend (big drive tomorrow, 300 miles approx), but will try and dip into the thread again tomorrow night and would be happy to answer any questions.

I hope that this helps to put a few minds at rest!

Damian
p.s. My car is considerably faster than yours

[IWANTACIVIC]

cool does the car fell more boy racer now ? you say it thows you back in your seat now , is this alot more than before ? because i was slightly disapointed in the acclerion of the civic even when you beat the cdti hard it doesnt knock you back in the seat like high 140s should do ?
does the civic still retain the smothness of stanard car when drive normoly, not snachy etc.

[audijohn]

Originally Posted by IWANTACIVIC

cool does the car fell more boy racer now ? you say it thows you back in your seat now , is this alot more than before ? because i was slightly disapointed in the acclerion of the civic even when you beat the cdti hard it doesnt knock you back in the seat like high 140s should do ?
does the civic still retain the smothness of stanard car when drive normoly, not snachy etc.

And will the Vag-Com be able to be used by your main agent dealership when sevice time comes round???.

[Honcho]

Insurance. D'you tell 'em? (I'm sure you must.) So what then happens to the premium? Do they really stick it to you?

[Miggins]

Insurance and your options:

1 Get the work done and tell your insurance - you will pay from £0 (unlikely) up to £?????? Usual cost is approx £60. Or they may not cover you and you will end up having to cancel the policy with little or no refund.
2 Check before doing the work and include the premium in your budget. Schedule it for a policy renewal if your current insurance company won't cover you.
3 Don't tell them and take an enormous risk - after all isn't that what insurance is? (not recommended)

If you don't inform your insurance company and are found out you will at the very minimum end up having to pay the difference up to and including having your policy cancelled, claim not paid out, endorsement for driving whilst uninsured - 6 points (try getting insurance with that one on your record!) and even a custodial sentence depending on circumstances/judiciary, redundant etc.

If you do go down the correct route and tell your insurance prior to doing the work you may not be surprised to learn that a number of companies won't provide cover - so you end up beng tied into the same company (assuming they don't change their conditions) or going with a specialist. However, a lot of companies will provide cover at a not un reasonable amount. Give it a try on-line to see how much your options are reduced.

I put 17" wheels on my bus and didnt tell the insurance - they cost a lot less to replace than SEAT wheels and make the vehicle a lot safer - they still wanted £20 off me after a minor bump and an engineer visited and dropped me in it - I was lucky!!!!!!

[Miggins]

Just re-run my online insurance quote for a Civic both as standard and modified. Those that would insure put my policy up by about £75 - they will probably need to refer details to the underwriters before confirming etc etc.

Unfortunately I lost about 75% of the list of underwriters who would originally insure an unmodified Civic. Fortunately my insurer one of the cheapest seem happy to insure a modified Civic. (Details of specific mod not supplied at this point)

For searching out policies I can recommend: http://car-insurance.quotezone.co.uk/

Unlike other on-line quote engines this sites stores both your details and all your previous quotes in a clear and easy to see format. If you need to go back and update its a simple case of just editing the relevant details.

Nothing worse than 'we don't have your details' or 'please re-enter your details' grrrrrrr.

[pugsley633]

Hi Damian
Can you start to collect some MPG data to compare against Pottsy super chipped civic

[damianscott71]

Hi,

I averaged 50.4 mpg from Kettering - Farnborough yesterday. Dead smooth all the way. Certainly a lot fewer gear changes on the way. Roundabouts in 3rd gear no problem.

MPG's drop if you boot it, have seen an average of 38mpg for a trip with hard acceleration.

Accelation is as smooth as it was before the remap, the most obvious difference being the way the torque continues to build past 2700 rpm. It's still pulling in 6th and makes overtaking very easy without the need to change down.

Damian

[damianscott71]

Right chaps,

I've done my bit...... Who's next to step up to the mark?

If we can get 6 people interested, you'll pay just £375 for the remap.



I promise, you won't regret it!

Damian

[Miggins]

Fuel consumption:
Fundamentally a Diesel remap gives you more power by putting more fuel in. If you use the extra 10 / 20 / 30% of power your consumption will increase in proportion. If you don't, you will use about the same amout of fuel (increases in efficiency aside) as before.

I have done 2 journies across Europe (~ 3000 miles each) in the same vehicle before and after a remap. The power increase was ~ 20% and my fuel consumption dropped by at least a 20%. (Bar backing off occaisionally to draw oil up the bores it was foot to the floor most of the way)

It's there if you want to use it.

Damian,
Have you managed to find your stop watch and record any times yet?

[damianscott71]

Originally Posted by Miggins

Fuel consumption:
Fundamentally a Diesel remap gives you more power by putting more fuel in. If you use the extra 10 / 20 / 30% of power your consumption will increase in proportion. If you don't, you will use about the same amout of fuel (increases in efficiency aside) as before.
.......
Damian,
Have you managed to find your stop watch and record any times yet?

Hi Miggins,

You're half right about diesel remaps. Remaps increase turbo boost pressure in line with fuelling, so the fuel/air mix remains constant. Even though power increases, economy remains mostly unaffected and often improves. The added torque that a remap offers means that you can drive at lower revs, in higher gears, for longer. Accordingly economy improves.

Tuning boxes, on the other hand, plug into the injector loom and trick the injectors into squirting more fuel into the cylinder. I think that there's a hope that the car recognises this, and that the turbo will play "catch up". However, it's not a great solution as it's not a complete solution. There's smoke & juddering engines abound, and the net results are always a touch disappointing.

I think that you might be confusing the two, as I've always had good experience with remaps as far as mileage is concerned.

However, I don't expect for a second that if I drove everywhere at WOT (wide open throttle) that I'd see much in the way of economy! Up to now, I've chickened out before the car has stopped accelerating!

As far as stopwatch timings are concerned, I didn't have chance to do any before (I know, I should have made time!) If I get chance, I'll do some soon now that I've got the remap.

It is sooooo good!

Damian

[Miggins]

Originally Posted by damianscott71

Remaps increase turbo boost pressure in line with fuelling, so the fuel/air mix remains constant.
Damian

Didn't realise we have electronically controlled/variable waste gates. If that's the case then a remap possibly could increase boost pressure. However, extra power can be obtained by just increasing the fuelling and not touching the waste gate (we don't have variable vane turbos).
Anyone fitted a boost guage in a diesel

Fuel/air ratio in a diesel doesn't need to stay constant (as in a petrol there is not a stoichometric ratio). Diesels have an excess of air and the task is to put as much fuel as possible into the combustion chamber under controlled burn conditions so that there isn't 'knock' and not so much that there is smoke (unburn't fuel). At low levels a small amount of smoke isn't mechanically detrimental but I'd rather not have it. My triangles have already gone black (this is probably where all my fuel economy has gone!)

Originally Posted by damianscott71

Even though power increases, economy remains mostly unaffected and often improves. The added torque that a remap offers means that you can drive at lower revs, in higher gears, for longer. Accordingly economy improves.
Damian

If you use your new found power (at the same revs) you will use more fuel. You don't get extra power out without putting more fuel in. Agreed, if you use the torque lower down you should see slightly lower fuel consumption. I just need to drive slower!

Originally Posted by damianscott71

Tuning boxes, on the other hand, plug into the injector loom and trick the injectors into squirting more fuel into the cylinder. I think that there's a hope that the car recognises this, and that the turbo will play "catch up". However, it's not a great solution as it's not a complete solution. There's smoke & juddering engines abound, and the net results are always a touch disappointing.

I think that you might be confusing the two, as I've always had good experience with remaps as far as mileage is concerned.
Damian

I have a Superchipped SEAT and am speaking from my experience. I wouldn't touch the 'tuning boxes' due to their botched way of trying to trick the engine management system.

Originally Posted by damianscott71

As far as stopwatch timings are concerned, I didn't have chance to do any before (I know, I should have made time!) If I get chance, I'll do some soon now that I've got the remap.

It is sooooo good!

Damian

If you do get round to doing an acceleration test I'm more than happy to provide the 'before' times. You could always take it to Sant Pod on run what ya brung day

Pleased its worked out - I'm still trying to convince the kids its better than a Ps3/barby Doll/Bike etc etc. Enjoy