Group Buy Remap for 2.2i-ctdi 185bhp from £375

[damianscott71]

Originally Posted by Miggins

How is your Uncle Celtic? ..........ONLY JOKING!!!!!!!

He's doing much better thanks!

I chose Celtic after numerous conversations with the guys there. They really know what they're talking about, which is more than can be said for some others. Superchips are good too, at least the guys at Superchips HQ in Buckingham.

I'm on my 5th remapped car....

1) Smart FourTwo - Full Brabus Conversion (a bit gay, I know. I killed it on day 2, engine rebuild & killed it again = money back)
2) Volvo S70 - Superchipped
3) VW Passat TDI - From 110bhp originally to 170bhp with bigger injectors, bigger turbo + custom remap)
4) VW Golf 2.0 TDI - From 138bhp to 180bhp by Superchips.
5) Honda Civic 2.2 i-CTDI - From 138 to 185 by Celtic tuning.

I've picked up a few pointers along the way!



Damian

[TTDegs]

Originally Posted by Miggins

Superchips are good. Although they claim a lower peak power, the midrange always shows a hefty increase where you want your big lump of torque. Unfortunately a lot of these 'come out to you' remappers don't have sample power and torque plots to compare with the original output. It's very difficult to assess the difference on a gut feeling.

Those that have had their cars dyno'd after have all the increase at the top end and one very nice chap (on this forum ) found his didn't meet the claims and had it removed.

Originally Posted by damianscott71

I think that it was a tuning box that didn't meet expectations, not a remap.
I think that you should go with somebody with some experience, either Celtic or Superchips.
.....
Whatever you choose, good luck!

Damian

T'was indeed a tuning box
(See the 'more ooomph for your 2.2' thread for more details)

And suffice to say, I won't be going back down that route

Given the choice, I would go SuperChips if they had a non-intrusive ODBC fix (don't know if they have yet?)
Or Celtic, purely cos Damian was brave enough to go first and is a very happy bunny

Or anyone else who you personally trust, based on experience of mates who have had work done there


Just bear in mind what you're letting yourself in for, and decide
a) how much you want to pay
b) if you want a warrenty (expect to pay more of you do)
c) if the insurance premium increase is worth it

[damianscott71]

Originally Posted by TTDegs

Just bear in mind what you're letting yourself in for, and decide
a) how much you want to pay
b) if you want a warrenty (expect to pay more of you do)
c) if the insurance premium increase is worth it

Feel free to disregard point C at any point.....

D

[TTDegs]

c) was just a gentle reminder

it's generally a no-brainer


but of course, the last thing I would suggest is that people don't tell their insurance co's, even if the mod is 100% invisible - finding out that it's only 99.99% invisible when a claim is rejected wouldn't be good


Which isn't to comment on the invisibleness or not of Celtic's solution - just remember to get and insurance quote first and add it to the total price

Often the increase in premium will come as a pleasent surprise (at how little it is)

[IWANTACIVIC]

how many pepole have the celtic remap done so far ?
hows everyones cars getting on ? any problems is mpg any more or are you using the 185

[ciderman4]

I had my car done by Celtic in mid-December. Car's going great and is a real flying machine. No problems at all, fuel consumption is similar to pre-upgrade. The 'pull' in 3rd and 4th gear is phenomenal.

I recommend it.

Steve

[Smiler AS]

I would love the Celtic Tuning remap to be done (I know, I keep saying it), but have tried calling a couple of times and even sent a couple of e-mails now, still no reply from them

Superchips price seemed a bit much at £511, anyone else willing to
try P-Torque, mentioned previoulsy.

[audijohn]

Originally Posted by Smiler AS

I would love the Celtic Tuning remap to be done (I know, I keep saying it), but have tried calling a couple of times and even sent a couple of e-mails now, still no reply from them

Superchips price seemed a bit much at £511, anyone else willing to
try P-Torque, mentioned previoulsy.

Can someone explain how Celtic do there remap via the OBD port without leaving a "Signature" please.
P-Torque is a chap called Will, he is very knowledgeable in this area and is in contact with a lot of guys in germany who do this a lot more than they do over here. I have not personally had him work for me as he is a long way away from my area. Hope this helps.

[Smiler AS]

I only e-mailed P Torque this morning and already they have come back to me to say what they can work out for me. Looking promising.

[Smiler AS]

Out of the blue, Celtic Tuning got back to me at the end of last week, firstly apoligising for the lack of contact (seemingly issues with remapping in Scotland, travel distance etc.). So now looks like I will be taking a 6 1/2 drive to Durham to meet one of their technicians there to get the remap done on 20th Feb. Then, hopefully, a very enjoyable 6 1/2 hour drive to get back home.

[Geoff13th]

Originally Posted by Smiler AS

Out of the blue, Celtic Tuning got back to me at the end of last week, firstly apoligising for the lack of contact (seemingly issues with remapping in Scotland, travel distance etc.). So now looks like I will be taking a 6 1/2 drive to Durham to meet one of their technicians there to get the remap done on 20th Feb. Then, hopefully, a very enjoyable 6 1/2 hour drive to get back home.

Surely it will be a shorter trip home

Anyways, let us know how it goes, and what the difference is like!

[damianscott71]

Originally Posted by audijohn

Can someone explain how Celtic do there remap via the OBD port without leaving a "Signature" please.

There is a counter that keeps record of each time an ECU is written to via the OBD port. Normally, this number will be set at "1" i.e this ECU has been written to once, at the factory. Therefore, an ECU remap can be spotted by checking the write counter. Anything other than 1 starts to raise eyebrows.

Celtic (or the people who supply Celtic's remapping software) have a method of recording the number on the ECU counter before the remap, and writing the same number back to the counter at the end of the process.

Therefore, you get a remap without a "Signature".

I hope.

Damian

[Miggins]

Anyone managed to get a dyno plot from any of these remapping companies or had one done themselves?

I'm more than will to have one done after the remap as a confirmation etc but would like an indication on the distribution of power/torque prior to committing myself ()

I am surprised that for what it would cost a remap company to have done (trade price) compared to the advertising benefits - none have put forward any plots other than people like Superchips - yes I know there is a big difference in price but £300 isn't chicken feed for what you actually get.

[TTDegs]

and - by preferance please! - that would be a before and after dyno run.

I don't care if the before run shows 100bhp or 200bhp - it's the difference we're after knowing about

[Miggins]

Originally Posted by TTDegs

it's the difference we're after knowing about

True - Its the only way of getting a valid comparison - going on some previous plots from some sources

[Smiler AS]

I'l be doing a dyno run after i get the car remapped (end of Feb), but probably not before hand. At the moment, i'm going by DamianScott's excellent reviews and information supplied on Celtic Tuning.

Anyway a 6 1/2 hour drive (360 miles) in the morning, mapped over lunchtime and then the same return trip in the afternoon (on a mix of motorways, A class and B class roads) I should be able to provide a good review for all you guys and gals.

[TTDegs]

Smiler, that very kind


And I (for one) would certainly like to see an 'after' run


But - just to explain myself really...
When I first fitted my in-line box, there was a noticable difference. Not huge, but a difference.
And I was reasonably happy - but figured there wasn't as much of a difference as I was hoping for.

Chucking it on dyno, and doing several runs with it at different settings soon showed why

However - had I only had the 'after' dyno run, showing 159bhp, I might have been thinking '19 extra horses - not bad'
When compared to my original figures of 148 bhp as standard, it began to look less great

[Smiler AS]

I know what you mean and I think its safe to say that the 2.2 diesel has a few extra ponies under the hood than Honda have advertised, maybe just a "gimmickie" thing to say that both the 1.8 petrol and 2.2 diesel have the same bhp - but thats another story - and another thread!

[damianscott71]

I would have had the full rolling road treatment before and after the remap if I'd had the spare cash.... As it stands, my wife found out that I'd spent MORE money on my car and almost kicked me out of the house! Anyway, that's a different story altogether.

All I can say is that the car pulls in a much more progressive manner than before the remap. It's much quicker and fuel economy remains pretty much the same as it ever was (i.e. it's still slightly disappointing!)

As Ciderman4 will probably confirm, the way that the car pulls in any gear after 2500rpm would raise a smile to a corpse. And it keeps on pulling too. The option to overtake in 6th gear on the motorway without changing down a gear is reason enough to have the remap done. Other reasons include.... Pissing off boy racers at traffic lights, pissing off reps in 3 series on the motorway, pissing off your wife when she finds your credit card bill...... The list is endless!

D

p.s. Miggins, stop moaning about the rolling road and get the job done. YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT!

[ciderman4]

Smiler, Damian is right - the car is much more "progressive" (progressive is a good word for it - basically meaning faster in this context !).

From 3rd gear onwards the car really pulls and the power comes in so smoothly. As I've said before, I definitely recommend getting it done.
Personally, right now I'm not too bothered about putting it on a rolling road to obtain exact horsepower and torque figures - I can just feel that there have been considerable increases and that's good enough for me.
Having said that, the next time I attend a Santa Pod meet I will probably get it done (they normally do it for a tenner).

Get it done - you won't regret it.

Steve