GROUP BUY: Pipercross Panel Filter for 2.2 CTDi - Page 4

robbo51 · 6th January 2008, 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by garbfink

ho wlong will it take?

I'm northampton born and bread but live up in yorkshire now. I pop back everyso often to visit my parents so depending on how long they need will depend on whether I can help or not.

Good idea!
PM javorb. He has the details

Yorkshirestoke · 6th January 2008, 20:52

Pipercross filter
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1. javorb
2. robbo51
3. Type S Bournemouth
4. Kamshaft
5. Pekwah1
6. Type S 2.2 i-CTDI
7. Trekker308
8. Stype_GT
9. slick
10.Type S Newcastle
11. Waynedunn1980
12. Freddo1
13. Smurf79
14. Sandozer
15. Dave111s
16. Kskanoy
17. sushi_chef
18. rwalters
19. Garbfink
20. DeanFYoung
21. Vider
22. Ajiboy
23. Martin051169
24. Yorkshirestoke
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29.
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ajiboy · 14th January 2008, 13:55

What is happening with this now?

pietka · 14th January 2008, 14:21

Pipercross filter
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1. javorb
2. robbo51
3. Type S Bournemouth
4. Kamshaft
5. Pekwah1
6. Type S 2.2 i-CTDI
7. Trekker308
8. Stype_GT
9. slick
10.Type S Newcastle
11. Waynedunn1980
12. Freddo1
13. Smurf79
14. Sandozer
15. Dave111s
16. Kskanoy
17. sushi_chef
18. rwalters
19. Garbfink
20. DeanFYoung
21. Vider
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23. Martin051169
24. Yorkshirestoke
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robbo51 · 14th January 2008, 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajiboy

What is happening with this now?

We are waiting on Javorb getting it sorted with Pipercross I believe.
Please be patient

slick · 14th January 2008, 16:06

i had an Pm from Javorb regarding the visit to pipercross, they only require the car long enough to measure the air box, thats all.

so i presume the current hold up is that without any kind of airbox to measure production can't start.

i'm currently unable to get up their.

robbo51 · 14th January 2008, 16:32

Can anyone go to Northampton to have Pipercross measure the air box??

ajiboy · 15th January 2008, 11:33

What if they where to have just a standard air filter as i persume it will be the same but with a different grade paper in it?

robbo51 · 15th January 2008, 12:36

Its a lot thinner, allows much more air through and is oiled

damianscott71 · 15th January 2008, 13:44

I could go to Northampton if still required... Let me know if this hasn't already been done.

I must say, I'm in 2 minds if a panel filter will make much difference to the economy or performance of the vehicle. Diesels already run with a surplus of air (they burn very lean), so extra air probably isn't required. Also, are you guys aware that the oil from the filter can "migrate", following the flow of air, and collect on the air mass meter (or MAF). Ths can cause a miss reading with air flow into the engine, forcing the car into "limp mode". I'm not trying to be alarmist, just recalling experiece from previous cars on other forums!

If anyone has any experience of using panel filters on Turbo Diesel cars, good or bad, chip in!

robbo51 · 15th January 2008, 14:08

This has been well documented on other forums (Briskoda.net for one)
1. It will make a small difference
2. Diesels run more efficiently with more air
3. No known issues of the MAF being adversly affected

Please PM javorb if you can take your car into Pipercross
Cheers

slick · 15th January 2008, 15:09

i know when i had an MR2 that oiled filters were bad news and that the recommended route was a dry filter from apexi. yet on my other cars we had no problems, k and n filters were the worst for over oiling, but never heard any problems from pipercross. plus alot of the oiling issues were from cone filters not panel filters.

kskanoy · 15th January 2008, 16:30

It's amazing that only 24 people have signed up in 3 months. It's not the most expensive cost for the civic and gives the car better breathing...

t-raz · 15th January 2008, 17:27

Don't wanna spoil your joy about sport filter on turbo diesel , but after talking with some people who knows much more than many of us about cars,the general opinion is that you won;t gain power or sound, etc, just rising the risk of getting the dirt in our beautiful engines.....I was tempted to buy a filter like that ,but i quit after all that i read....It's all about money!All that propaganda that it's done around this miracle filters , folow just one purpose...to get more money from us! It is just my opinion!

robbo51 · 15th January 2008, 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by t-raz

Don't wanna spoil your joy about sport filter on turbo diesel , but after talking with some people who knows much more than many of us about cars,the general opinion is that you won;t gain power or sound, etc, just rising the risk of getting the dirt in our beautiful engines.....I was tempted to buy a filter like that ,but i quit after all that i read....It's all about money!All that propaganda that it's done around this miracle filters , folow just one purpose...to get more money from us! It is just my opinion!

Ive driven thousands of miles with these panel filters.
Never had a problem
At the end of the day its all about choices.
However the facts speak for themselves, from experience, they do have more benefits than to the contrary.
Thanks for your comments

robbo51 · 15th January 2008, 17:48

Pipercross filter
Group Buy
1. javorb
2. robbo51
3. Type S Bournemouth
4. Kamshaft
5. Pekwah1
6. Type S 2.2 i-CTDI
7. Trekker308
8. Stype_GT
9. slick
10.Type S Newcastle
11. Waynedunn1980
12. Freddo1
13. Smurf79
14. Sandozer
15. Dave111s
16. Kskanoy
17. sushi_chef
18. rwalters
19. Garbfink
20. DeanFYoung
21. Vider
22. Ajiboy
23. Martin051169
24. Yorkshirestoke
25. Pietka
26.
27.
28.
29.
30

slick · 16th January 2008, 08:21

with regards to panel filters, when i was on the roadsters club we had several options for induction, a variety of cone filters, or replacing the current panel filter with a TRD one.

these were all tested on various occasions and even did before and after dyno tests.

the panel filter change showed about 2-3 bhp gain on the mr2.

the cone filters did nothing for BHP but then on a mid engine car it was sucking in the hot air straight from the engine.

all the induction kits saw an improvement in mpg

with the diesel box it should see a small gain.

Vider · 16th January 2008, 15:39

as soon as we finally get this filter I'm going to take my car for dyno run, so we will know for sure whether it gives you any extra power or not

robbo51 · 16th January 2008, 19:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by slick

with regards to panel filters, when i was on the roadsters club we had several options for induction, a variety of cone filters, or replacing the current panel filter with a TRD one.

these were all tested on various occasions and even did before and after dyno tests.

the panel filter change showed about 2-3 bhp gain on the mr2.

the cone filters did nothing for BHP but then on a mid engine car it was sucking in the hot air straight from the engine.

all the induction kits saw an improvement in mpg

with the diesel box it should see a small gain.

You are quite correct.
Diesels require dense, cold air and lots of it!!
The more air you can feed it, the better.

IWANTACIVIC · 20th January 2008, 00:04

still watching this with interst if it shows bhp rise and good noise impovement ill have one , but had dear xmas so not got money yet . i await your reports sorry i can add my name yet .

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t-raz Valve Cap Join Date: 26th October 2007 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Don't wanna spoil your joy about sport filter on turbo diesel , but after talking with some people who knows much more than many of us about cars,the general opinion is that you won;t gain power or sound, etc, just rising the risk of getting the dirt in our beautiful engines.....I was tempted to buy a filter like that ,but i quit after all that i read....It's all about money!All that propaganda that it's done around this miracle filters , folow just one purpose...to get more money from us! It is just my opinion! Last edited by t-raz; 15th January 2008 at 17:30.

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ajiboy Valve Cap Join Date: 26th October 2007 Location: South Wales Newport Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	What is happening with this now?

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slick Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 14th December 2007 Location: Ipswich, UK Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	i had an Pm from Javorb regarding the visit to pipercross, they only require the car long enough to measure the air box, thats all. so i presume the current hold up is that without any kind of airbox to measure production can't start. i'm currently unable to get up their.

14th January 2008, 16:32	#67 (permalink)
robbo51 Diesel of course Civinfo guru Join Date: 1st July 2007 Location: Bingley, W.Yorks Posts: 3,119 Thanks: 48 Thanked 41 Times in 38 Posts iTrader: (0)	Can anyone go to Northampton to have Pipercross measure the air box??

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ajiboy Valve Cap Join Date: 26th October 2007 Location: South Wales Newport Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	What if they where to have just a standard air filter as i persume it will be the same but with a different grade paper in it?

15th January 2008, 12:36	#69 (permalink)
robbo51 Diesel of course Civinfo guru Join Date: 1st July 2007 Location: Bingley, W.Yorks Posts: 3,119 Thanks: 48 Thanked 41 Times in 38 Posts iTrader: (0)	Its a lot thinner, allows much more air through and is oiled

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damianscott71 Diesel Demon Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 1st July 2006 Location: Kempston, Bedfordshire Posts: 449 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	I could go to Northampton if still required... Let me know if this hasn't already been done. I must say, I'm in 2 minds if a panel filter will make much difference to the economy or performance of the vehicle. Diesels already run with a surplus of air (they burn very lean), so extra air probably isn't required. Also, are you guys aware that the oil from the filter can "migrate", following the flow of air, and collect on the air mass meter (or MAF). Ths can cause a miss reading with air flow into the engine, forcing the car into "limp mode". I'm not trying to be alarmist, just recalling experiece from previous cars on other forums! If anyone has any experience of using panel filters on Turbo Diesel cars, good or bad, chip in!

15th January 2008, 14:08	#71 (permalink)
robbo51 Diesel of course Civinfo guru Join Date: 1st July 2007 Location: Bingley, W.Yorks Posts: 3,119 Thanks: 48 Thanked 41 Times in 38 Posts iTrader: (0)	This has been well documented on other forums (Briskoda.net for one) 1. It will make a small difference 2. Diesels run more efficiently with more air 3. No known issues of the MAF being adversly affected Please PM javorb if you can take your car into Pipercross Cheers

15th January 2008, 15:09	#72 (permalink)
slick Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 14th December 2007 Location: Ipswich, UK Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	i know when i had an MR2 that oiled filters were bad news and that the recommended route was a dry filter from apexi. yet on my other cars we had no problems, k and n filters were the worst for over oiling, but never heard any problems from pipercross. plus alot of the oiling issues were from cone filters not panel filters.

15th January 2008, 16:30	#73 (permalink)
kskanoy Valve Cap Join Date: 16th July 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	It's amazing that only 24 people have signed up in 3 months. It's not the most expensive cost for the civic and gives the car better breathing...

15th January 2008, 17:48	#76 (permalink)
robbo51 Diesel of course Civinfo guru Join Date: 1st July 2007 Location: Bingley, W.Yorks Posts: 3,119 Thanks: 48 Thanked 41 Times in 38 Posts iTrader: (0)	Pipercross filter Group Buy 1. javorb 2. robbo51 3. Type S Bournemouth 4. Kamshaft 5. Pekwah1 6. Type S 2.2 i-CTDI 7. Trekker308 8. Stype_GT 9. slick 10.Type S Newcastle 11. Waynedunn1980 12. Freddo1 13. Smurf79 14. Sandozer 15. Dave111s 16. Kskanoy 17. sushi_chef 18. rwalters 19. Garbfink 20. DeanFYoung 21. Vider 22. Ajiboy 23. Martin051169 24. Yorkshirestoke 25. Pietka 26. 27. 28. 29. 30

16th January 2008, 08:21	#77 (permalink)
slick Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 14th December 2007 Location: Ipswich, UK Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	with regards to panel filters, when i was on the roadsters club we had several options for induction, a variety of cone filters, or replacing the current panel filter with a TRD one. these were all tested on various occasions and even did before and after dyno tests. the panel filter change showed about 2-3 bhp gain on the mr2. the cone filters did nothing for BHP but then on a mid engine car it was sucking in the hot air straight from the engine. all the induction kits saw an improvement in mpg with the diesel box it should see a small gain.

16th January 2008, 15:39	#78 (permalink)
Vider Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 4th September 2007 Location: PL, UK Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	as soon as we finally get this filter I'm going to take my car for dyno run, so we will know for sure whether it gives you any extra power or not

20th January 2008, 00:04	#80 (permalink)
IWANTACIVIC Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 16th September 2006 Location: LINCS UK Posts: 658 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	still watching this with interst if it shows bhp rise and good noise impovement ill have one , but had dear xmas so not got money yet . i await your reports sorry i can add my name yet .