[HOW TO] Removal of Door Trim & Speaker info

Roger Harris · 30th May 2006, 17:34

HI Civvies,

My dealer kindly let me photograph the removal of a front door trim today. I want to add a speaker upgrade (not Honda)
and he was happy to show me how! Here are the pics.
Basically it's two screws that are behind little pop-off panels in the door handle and door pull, then the whole thing pops off!
It is hooked over a rim near the window so you have to lift it as you pull it.
I've also shown the removed speaker to give you some idea of how thin it is. It is really light too so not a brilliant unit!

Anyway, Enjoy!
Roger

Roger Harris · 30th May 2006, 17:36

more pics

Roger Harris · 30th May 2006, 17:38

Existing speaker.. Yuk!

mike222 · 30th May 2006, 19:35

Looks really cheap and nasty behind the trim don't you think??? Let us know what speakes you use, if not the Honda ones

Roger Harris · 30th May 2006, 19:41

Hi Mike,

It certainly does, you should feel how light the speaker is!.
I won't be doing the work until after half-term but I'll post some info when it's finished

cheers
Roger

jme1978 · 30th May 2006, 19:42

Nice one Roger - great post!!

Does look a bit cheap behind but its the same with all cars!!!

J

Nick · 31st May 2006, 01:19

great info mate cheers for that. will save aftermarket dealers a bit of time finding how to remove it!

Pottsy · 31st May 2006, 13:38

Great post - ta. As usual £1 worth of speakers fitted.

Moved to How To section.

basegreen · 31st May 2006, 15:16

The standard speakers are dire. Agreed.

Raegten · 31st May 2006, 18:20

Just wondering.....can anyone recomend some good quality (and reasonably priced) speakers that would replace the front ones? I didn't go for the upgrade option on the Civic cos it seemed to be a bit of a rip off.....
After seeing the step by step above I'd gladly have a go myself.

karlak · 4th June 2006, 13:06

I am in the process of pricing up a Civic, and am really glad I came across the info on this forum. It seems that the standard fit speakers are pretty poor (at least comparing against my Current Golf MK5) - How do they actually sound in the real world.

I was before reading about the speaker upgrade option, going to specify this, but I now reckon I will fettle with it myself. One thing I did notice is that they charge you loads of money for some replacement front speakers, but don't upgrade the tweeters -??? Also the power input for the upgraded speakers is 60 watt, does that mean that you also get an amp increase for the fronts - Not that I can see. I reckon my inifinty components would fit in there nicely.

As far as the Bass system, that seems a lot of money - What I would propose is to use one of these 'compact' subwoofers in the boot - possibly below the floor, space allowing, and use the front left/right speaker to feed it - again assuming that the built in Head unit has not got a preout.

This would fill in the bass nicely, without sounding like a Halfords Chav, with your windows schaking. Oh and is probably half the cost of the Hnda system. Only bit of work would be running power to the boot, and extending speaker wires form the front speakers.

I have tried this arrangement in the past, and it make a HUGE difference to the sound. It means that even if you stick with the standard speakers, you will not need to push them as hard to get the low frequencies.

Pottsy · 4th June 2006, 15:17

karlak,

I've done similar, but have always seemed to end up then replacing the fronts for something better as well. The std setup in the Civic actually sounds OK, subjectively better than the MK4 Golf and certainly better than the Audi. But I suspect the EX head unit is a lot better than the VAG items. The speakers look just like the crap I've pulled out of VAG cars.

I won't change the fronts until there's an adaptor available (I can't be bothered to make anything fancy) but I'll put in some nice high quality efficient components and take it from there - trying to avoid a sub (again) but no doubt I'll cave!

basegreen · 4th June 2006, 15:41

If you want to get a better sounding system, go with replacing the speakers front and rear with the coaxial upgrades.

StGeli · 4th June 2006, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by basegreen

If you want to get a better sounding system, go with replacing the speakers front and rear with the coaxial upgrades.

That's my plan when I'm back from my hols in mid June. Not bothering with the bass amp 'though.

I'll let everone know what difference they make.

basegreen · 4th June 2006, 20:38

I have the bassworks, and coaxials in the front (I wasn't paying). Sounds okay, but not worth the money.

karlak · 4th June 2006, 21:48

Are co-axials speakers with a tweeter in the middle? If so, I can't really see the point as there are seperate tweeters -correct??

Component speakers i.e. seperate woofers and tweeters will always be better than a "one speaker does 2 jobs speaker"

At least it seems like the stock headunit does a fairly good job. Still a shame that more and more companies are going for the bespoke fitted system. I currenlty have fitted an Alpine HU in my Golf, and to be honest the difference between that and the standard headunit is Just unbelievable - far more bass,better control of the sound, and you can actuallt hear bits of the music you can't as standard.

Please Manufacturers go back to a normal DIN size stereo, and ISO leads, so that we can upgrade if we wish..... Oh and no fancy CAN buses

basegreen · 4th June 2006, 22:01

There are dual cone, and co-axial speakers. The latter being the most expensive. The coaxials are good quality speakers. Probably the sort of thing you could source at a specialist import place for about £100-£125 a set. Honda charge £200 or so. I don't know if you can get straight swaps from a specialist.

Although a component speaker set up is preferable, I've heard a dual-cone, tweeter upgrade, bassworks set up VS a coaxial + bassworks speaker upgrade and the latter sounds best.

I wouldn't personally pay the £600 for the bassworks set up, pay the £220 or so for the coaxials in the back instead, if you want to improve all four main speakers.

Hope that helps a bit more.

Pottsy · 5th June 2006, 06:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlak

Are co-axials speakers with a tweeter in the middle? If so, I can't really see the point as there are seperate tweeters -correct??

Component speakers i.e. seperate woofers and tweeters will always be better than a "one speaker does 2 jobs speaker"

At least it seems like the stock headunit does a fairly good job. Still a shame that more and more companies are going for the bespoke fitted system. I currenlty have fitted an Alpine HU in my Golf, and to be honest the difference between that and the standard headunit is Just unbelievable - far more bass,better control of the sound, and you can actuallt hear bits of the music you can't as standard.

Please Manufacturers go back to a normal DIN size stereo, and ISO leads, so that we can upgrade if we wish..... Oh and no fancy CAN buses

The best Alpine I've encountered (7878 with its F1-Status drive, in the Golf below) was just ace. Serious money at the time, but an amazing sound (especially with a rather neat Boston Acoustics sub in the boot and some PG amps). Followed me around in a couple of Golfs, stayed out of the 350z (it had a Bose system and it was terrible) back in the Audi and now out of the Civic. Oddly, the system in the Civic is sounding almost acceptable - pretty certain that decent door speakers will make it just passable. Focals (again) I think!

karlak · 5th June 2006, 07:42

Good news that the standard HU sounds so good - I have found my Infinity Component speakers out (thought I had given them away) and would certainly try and get them fitted in the front.

This is my current Golf with an Alpine fitted. No comments on the boring dash though

generationgav · 20th July 2006, 15:03

Right back on topic.

How do you unhook the "pull" cables connected to the door?

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30th May 2006, 19:35	#4 (permalink)
mike222 Valve Cap Join Date: 19th May 2006 Location: Worcestershire Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Looks really cheap and nasty behind the trim don't you think??? Let us know what speakes you use, if not the Honda ones

30th May 2006, 19:41	#5 (permalink)
Roger Harris Wheelnut Join Date: 23rd May 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hi Mike, It certainly does, you should feel how light the speaker is!. I won't be doing the work until after half-term but I'll post some info when it's finished cheers Roger

30th May 2006, 19:42	#6 (permalink)
jme1978 Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 29th April 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 211 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Nice one Roger - great post!! Does look a bit cheap behind but its the same with all cars!!! J

31st May 2006, 01:19	#7 (permalink)
Nick Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 9th May 2006 Location: London Posts: 230 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	great info mate cheers for that. will save aftermarket dealers a bit of time finding how to remove it!

31st May 2006, 13:38	#8 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 4,668 Thanks: 3 Thanked 51 Times in 25 Posts	Great post - ta. As usual £1 worth of speakers fitted. Moved to How To section.

31st May 2006, 15:16	#9 (permalink)
basegreen Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 15th April 2006 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,864 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The standard speakers are dire. Agreed.

31st May 2006, 18:20	#10 (permalink)
Raegten Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 4th May 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 125 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just wondering.....can anyone recomend some good quality (and reasonably priced) speakers that would replace the front ones? I didn't go for the upgrade option on the Civic cos it seemed to be a bit of a rip off..... After seeing the step by step above I'd gladly have a go myself.

4th June 2006, 13:06	#11 (permalink)
karlak Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 3rd June 2006 Posts: 432 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am in the process of pricing up a Civic, and am really glad I came across the info on this forum. It seems that the standard fit speakers are pretty poor (at least comparing against my Current Golf MK5) - How do they actually sound in the real world. I was before reading about the speaker upgrade option, going to specify this, but I now reckon I will fettle with it myself. One thing I did notice is that they charge you loads of money for some replacement front speakers, but don't upgrade the tweeters -??? Also the power input for the upgraded speakers is 60 watt, does that mean that you also get an amp increase for the fronts - Not that I can see. I reckon my inifinty components would fit in there nicely. As far as the Bass system, that seems a lot of money - What I would propose is to use one of these 'compact' subwoofers in the boot - possibly below the floor, space allowing, and use the front left/right speaker to feed it - again assuming that the built in Head unit has not got a preout. This would fill in the bass nicely, without sounding like a Halfords Chav, with your windows schaking. Oh and is probably half the cost of the Hnda system. Only bit of work would be running power to the boot, and extending speaker wires form the front speakers. I have tried this arrangement in the past, and it make a HUGE difference to the sound. It means that even if you stick with the standard speakers, you will not need to push them as hard to get the low frequencies.

4th June 2006, 15:17	#12 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 4,668 Thanks: 3 Thanked 51 Times in 25 Posts	karlak, I've done similar, but have always seemed to end up then replacing the fronts for something better as well. The std setup in the Civic actually sounds OK, subjectively better than the MK4 Golf and certainly better than the Audi. But I suspect the EX head unit is a lot better than the VAG items. The speakers look just like the crap I've pulled out of VAG cars. I won't change the fronts until there's an adaptor available (I can't be bothered to make anything fancy) but I'll put in some nice high quality efficient components and take it from there - trying to avoid a sub (again) but no doubt I'll cave!

4th June 2006, 15:41	#13 (permalink)
basegreen Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 15th April 2006 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,864 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	If you want to get a better sounding system, go with replacing the speakers front and rear with the coaxial upgrades.

4th June 2006, 20:38	#15 (permalink)
basegreen Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 15th April 2006 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,864 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I have the bassworks, and coaxials in the front (I wasn't paying). Sounds okay, but not worth the money.

4th June 2006, 21:48	#16 (permalink)
karlak Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 3rd June 2006 Posts: 432 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Are co-axials speakers with a tweeter in the middle? If so, I can't really see the point as there are seperate tweeters -correct?? Component speakers i.e. seperate woofers and tweeters will always be better than a "one speaker does 2 jobs speaker" At least it seems like the stock headunit does a fairly good job. Still a shame that more and more companies are going for the bespoke fitted system. I currenlty have fitted an Alpine HU in my Golf, and to be honest the difference between that and the standard headunit is Just unbelievable - far more bass,better control of the sound, and you can actuallt hear bits of the music you can't as standard. Please Manufacturers go back to a normal DIN size stereo, and ISO leads, so that we can upgrade if we wish..... Oh and no fancy CAN buses

4th June 2006, 22:01	#17 (permalink)
basegreen Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 15th April 2006 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,864 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	There are dual cone, and co-axial speakers. The latter being the most expensive. The coaxials are good quality speakers. Probably the sort of thing you could source at a specialist import place for about £100-£125 a set. Honda charge £200 or so. I don't know if you can get straight swaps from a specialist. Although a component speaker set up is preferable, I've heard a dual-cone, tweeter upgrade, bassworks set up VS a coaxial + bassworks speaker upgrade and the latter sounds best. I wouldn't personally pay the £600 for the bassworks set up, pay the £220 or so for the coaxials in the back instead, if you want to improve all four main speakers. Hope that helps a bit more.

5th June 2006, 07:42	#19 (permalink)
karlak Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 3rd June 2006 Posts: 432 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Good news that the standard HU sounds so good - I have found my Infinity Component speakers out (thought I had given them away) and would certainly try and get them fitted in the front. This is my current Golf with an Alpine fitted. No comments on the boring dash though

20th July 2006, 15:03	#20 (permalink)
generationgav Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 29th May 2006 Posts: 797 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Right back on topic. How do you unhook the "pull" cables connected to the door?