Front speakers - replacement with Infinity Ref 6510CS - Page 11

digisine · 1st May 2007, 20:07

and a drive littered with bits of broken plastic!........the tweater mouldings have three plastic hooks and a spring metal device - this bit pulls out, but the plastic hooks are a liitle weedy and need careful manipulation to disengage. My advice woul be to start by lowering the windoe and genlty easing the edge of the trin which is by the window channel away fom the channel until th eplastic hook is clear of the metal alowing you to ease it towards you at right angles to the door. The metal clip is on the front slope of the trim and should pop away with out too much prising force.
Once the top of the trim is clear lift it up to release the plastic hooks on the bottom edge clear of the door.
I found also that prising the oor trim clips was quite hard - start in the middle lower edge of the panle and work along the bottom edge in both directions from the middle - then up the sides at that wil give you more leverage. I bought a trim removal tool (£10) from a local parts supplier (like camberley auto factors. This hels to release the plastic rivets from the door without breaking them or the moulding on the door trim that they fit in. You need another pair of hands to hold the trim while you disengage the fastners that hold the loking and door opening mechanism as well as unplugging the wiring harness - otherwise it is easy to break the fittings ( I did and spent two hours making a repair)! One of the plastic rivets is a different colour form the others - make a not of where it locates.I tooka picture of the door panel when removed so i could refer back in case of difficulty.

sco77harris · 1st May 2007, 20:55

hi does anyone have direct links as to where to buy the astra rings?
and the same for sound insolation?

thanks for any help

Type S Bournemouth · 1st May 2007, 21:00

the link to where to buy them is in this thread at caraudiosecurity.com.

Not sure on the sound insulation. Any decent car hifi shop i expect or maybe even halfords.

sco77harris · 1st May 2007, 21:06

what thread lol? thanks for the help

digisine · 1st May 2007, 21:07

I bought mine from Halfords - £11 I think they were. As for the sound deadening material - haven't got any yet so I'd be interested to know but I wold guess halfords or any decent Car audio shop. Otherwise try Google

sco77harris · 1st May 2007, 21:15

is this them http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Astra-Cavalier...QQcmdZViewItem

Pottsy · 1st May 2007, 21:16

http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/pro...s_id/1995.html

t0ny0k · 1st May 2007, 21:19

As previously mentioned take your time and read all the posts. I copied and pasted all the relevant info onto a word document. Part numbers, +ive and -tive speaker cable colours,etc. Spent time looking at all the photos. Gives you a good feel for the work required. See my post on previous page,I have made a list of prices paid and suppliers. There is also a good thread some where about sound deadening from a guy in Estonia.

sco77harris · 1st May 2007, 21:20

thanks pottsy these are just for the front what about the rear?

yes i am a nag today

digisine · 1st May 2007, 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by sco77harris

is this them http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Astra-Cavalier...QQcmdZViewItem

They look like the same as the ones I have.

digisine · 1st May 2007, 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by sco77harris

thanks pottsy these are just for the front what about the rear?

yes i am a nag today

Thanks

Daren · 1st May 2007, 21:32

Fitted my Infinities last Tuesday - no major problems at all, just followed the instructions posted.... piece of cake to do and no rattles afterwards

I was disappointed with the sound quality after the install and could not hear any real improvement, HOWEVER, I had a nice long run up to Scotland from my home in Essex - I could not believe the improvement in sound quality by my arrival 6 hours later. The speakers have settled in nicely and the base and depth makes a huge difference (even the wife made comment!)

If your worried about doing the upgrade my advice is go for it, you'll be glad you did. You will have to wait for them to bed in and open up - its worth the wait.

sco77harris · 1st May 2007, 21:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daren

Fitted my Infinities last Tuesday - no major problems at all, just followed the instructions posted.... piece of cake to do and no rattles afterwards

I was disappointed with the sound quality after the install and could not hear any real improvement, HOWEVER, I had a nice long run up to Scotland from my home in Essex - I could not believe the improvement in sound quality by my arrival 6 hours later. The speakers have settled in nicely and the base and depth makes a huge difference (even the wife made comment!)

If your worried about doing the upgrade my advice is go for it, you'll be glad you did. You will have to wait for them to bed in and open up - its worth the wait.

did u use the speaker rings just for the front
or are there some for the rear thanks

sandz · 1st May 2007, 22:12

Rear ones are the same.

Daren · 1st May 2007, 22:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by sco77harris

did u use the speaker rings just for the front
or are there some for the rear thanks

Only did the fronts. Thought I would see how they sounded first before making my mind up about doing the rears. I don't think I will bother as I am v happy with the sound quality now.

I think someone else has posted instructions for the rear earlier in this thread (too much for me to read though again

)

sco77harris · 3rd May 2007, 09:43

so i can use the same astra rings in the rear, thanks

generationgav · 3rd May 2007, 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daren

I was disappointed with the sound quality after the install and could not hear any real improvement, HOWEVER, I had a nice long run up to Scotland from my home in Essex - I could not believe the improvement in sound quality by my arrival 6 hours later. The speakers have settled in nicely and the base and depth makes a huge difference (even the wife made comment!)

I did the same (well not the 6 hour trip) I complained on here that I was dissapointed with the improvement, and a few people thought that I was asking for too much I think! But after a few journeys and I'd say about 12hrs with them on they sounded amazing and still do!

Skaven252 · 8th May 2007, 17:20

Just had them installed today. 6510cs's in the front and 6512i's in the rear. No problems with the installation, as I didn't have to do it myself.

(to the people near Espoo, Finland, I used the services of Tip Top Auto)

Improvement? Well, yes and no. Mostly yes! The upper register is much brighter and clearer now, I can hear stuff in the music I didn't know was there (such as mp3 packing artifacts, meh). The bass goes really deep down, but it's quieter than in the previous speakers, especially in the mid-low range. Maybe I shoulda used "subtler" instead of "quieter" there though. Overall, the speakers seem to require more power than the factory ones, I have to keep the volume at a higher level than previously.

The trebles and mid high are actually a tad too loud for my tastes, giving the speakers a slightly 'tinny' quality, but I adjusted the EQ. I boosted the bass a bit, reduced the treble slightly, and used the fader to give a tad more power to the rear speakers. With this kind of setting the sound "floats" in the middle of the car, so to speak, and feels quite transparent.

When driving at 100km/h, I noticed how clear the sound really is. It clearly cuts through the background noise (whereas with the factory speakers the music tended to drown in the noise). Nice!

I still find the sound kind of tinny, but it's only because I'm comparing the sound with the old speakers which I had gotten used to. I'll probably get used to this new sound much faster.

Final verdict: don't expect a miracle, but it's clearly an improvement.

Type S Bournemouth · 8th May 2007, 17:29

i think you need to give them time to bed in as such and they will improve over time.

sandz · 8th May 2007, 20:17

Did they do Sound isolation as wel?

8th May 2007, 17:20	#218 (permalink)
Skaven252 Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 1st June 2006 Location: Espoo, Finland Posts: 247 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Just had them installed today. 6510cs's in the front and 6512i's in the rear. No problems with the installation, as I didn't have to do it myself. (to the people near Espoo, Finland, I used the services of Tip Top Auto) Improvement? Well, yes and no. Mostly yes! The upper register is much brighter and clearer now, I can hear stuff in the music I didn't know was there (such as mp3 packing artifacts, meh). The bass goes really deep down, but it's quieter than in the previous speakers, especially in the mid-low range. Maybe I shoulda used "subtler" instead of "quieter" there though. Overall, the speakers seem to require more power than the factory ones, I have to keep the volume at a higher level than previously. The trebles and mid high are actually a tad too loud for my tastes, giving the speakers a slightly 'tinny' quality, but I adjusted the EQ. I boosted the bass a bit, reduced the treble slightly, and used the fader to give a tad more power to the rear speakers. With this kind of setting the sound "floats" in the middle of the car, so to speak, and feels quite transparent. When driving at 100km/h, I noticed how clear the sound really is. It clearly cuts through the background noise (whereas with the factory speakers the music tended to drown in the noise). Nice! I still find the sound kind of tinny, but it's only because I'm comparing the sound with the old speakers which I had gotten used to. I'll probably get used to this new sound much faster. Final verdict: don't expect a miracle, but it's clearly an improvement. Last edited by Skaven252; 8th May 2007 at 17:31.

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1st May 2007, 20:07	#201 (permalink)
digisine Wheelnut Join Date: 27th July 2006 Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	and a drive littered with bits of broken plastic!........the tweater mouldings have three plastic hooks and a spring metal device - this bit pulls out, but the plastic hooks are a liitle weedy and need careful manipulation to disengage. My advice woul be to start by lowering the windoe and genlty easing the edge of the trin which is by the window channel away fom the channel until th eplastic hook is clear of the metal alowing you to ease it towards you at right angles to the door. The metal clip is on the front slope of the trim and should pop away with out too much prising force. Once the top of the trim is clear lift it up to release the plastic hooks on the bottom edge clear of the door. I found also that prising the oor trim clips was quite hard - start in the middle lower edge of the panle and work along the bottom edge in both directions from the middle - then up the sides at that wil give you more leverage. I bought a trim removal tool (£10) from a local parts supplier (like camberley auto factors. This hels to release the plastic rivets from the door without breaking them or the moulding on the door trim that they fit in. You need another pair of hands to hold the trim while you disengage the fastners that hold the loking and door opening mechanism as well as unplugging the wiring harness - otherwise it is easy to break the fittings ( I did and spent two hours making a repair)! One of the plastic rivets is a different colour form the others - make a not of where it locates.I tooka picture of the door panel when removed so i could refer back in case of difficulty.

1st May 2007, 20:55	#202 (permalink)
sco77harris Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th June 2006 Location: stanmore london Posts: 978 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	hi does anyone have direct links as to where to buy the astra rings? and the same for sound insolation? thanks for any help

1st May 2007, 21:00	#203 (permalink)
Type S Bournemouth Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 3rd October 2006 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 977 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	the link to where to buy them is in this thread at caraudiosecurity.com. Not sure on the sound insulation. Any decent car hifi shop i expect or maybe even halfords.

1st May 2007, 21:06	#204 (permalink)
sco77harris Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th June 2006 Location: stanmore london Posts: 978 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	what thread lol? thanks for the help

1st May 2007, 21:07	#205 (permalink)
digisine Wheelnut Join Date: 27th July 2006 Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I bought mine from Halfords - £11 I think they were. As for the sound deadening material - haven't got any yet so I'd be interested to know but I wold guess halfords or any decent Car audio shop. Otherwise try Google

1st May 2007, 21:15	#206 (permalink)
sco77harris Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th June 2006 Location: stanmore london Posts: 978 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	is this them http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Astra-Cavalier...QQcmdZViewItem

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,486 Thanks: 22 Thanked 169 Times in 100 Posts iTrader: (0)	http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/pro...s_id/1995.html

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t0ny0k Valve Cap Join Date: 8th December 2006 Location: South Wales Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	As previously mentioned take your time and read all the posts. I copied and pasted all the relevant info onto a word document. Part numbers, +ive and -tive speaker cable colours,etc. Spent time looking at all the photos. Gives you a good feel for the work required. See my post on previous page,I have made a list of prices paid and suppliers. There is also a good thread some where about sound deadening from a guy in Estonia.

1st May 2007, 21:20	#209 (permalink)
sco77harris Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th June 2006 Location: stanmore london Posts: 978 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	thanks pottsy these are just for the front what about the rear? yes i am a nag today

1st May 2007, 21:32	#212 (permalink)
Daren Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 21st March 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Fitted my Infinities last Tuesday - no major problems at all, just followed the instructions posted.... piece of cake to do and no rattles afterwards I was disappointed with the sound quality after the install and could not hear any real improvement, HOWEVER, I had a nice long run up to Scotland from my home in Essex - I could not believe the improvement in sound quality by my arrival 6 hours later. The speakers have settled in nicely and the base and depth makes a huge difference (even the wife made comment!) If your worried about doing the upgrade my advice is go for it, you'll be glad you did. You will have to wait for them to bed in and open up - its worth the wait.

1st May 2007, 22:12	#214 (permalink)
sandz Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 26th February 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 38 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Rear ones are the same.

3rd May 2007, 09:43	#216 (permalink)
sco77harris Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th June 2006 Location: stanmore london Posts: 978 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	so i can use the same astra rings in the rear, thanks

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Type S Bournemouth Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 3rd October 2006 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 977 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	i think you need to give them time to bed in as such and they will improve over time.

8th May 2007, 20:17	#220 (permalink)
sandz Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 26th February 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 38 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Did they do Sound isolation as wel?