Front speakers - replacement with Infinity Ref 6510CS - Page 6

Barryjm · 9th October 2006, 17:41

Does anyone know what model speakers are used to replace the rear speakers???[/quote]

The back speakers are co-axial and not components, therefore, I was thinking of something like the INFINITY REFERENCE 6012i. These should match the quality and sound of the front 6510cs component speakers.
They are also on ebay for approx £40 - wow!!! These should be much easier than the front to install as there is no crossover or separate tweeters to fit.

I would be interested if anyone else has considered speakers in the back and have found anything different???

HURMUND · 9th October 2006, 19:10

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Originally Posted by Barryjm

Does anyone know what model speakers are used to replace the rear speakers???

Same here. Anyone got any ideas? Something to compliment the Infinity 6510's would be great.

I got a quote today from a local car audio shop to fit the 6510 components on the front doors (inc tweeters). They reckon they should allow 1.5 hours per door at their going rate of £45 +vat. That works out at a cool £158.63 labour plus the cost of the speakers and delivery on e-bay of £60 making an extortionate £218.63.......and that's without the rear speakers being changed!

All of a sudden the Honda upgrade of £350 for all four speakers sounds appealing. Anyone know what make speakers they install? only kidding. I doubt if there as good as Infinity's.

TTDegs · 9th October 2006, 19:54

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Originally Posted by HURMUND

All of a sudden the Honda upgrade of £350 for all four speakers sounds appealing. Anyone know what make speakers they install? only kidding. I doubt if there as good as Infinity's.

front ones (co-axials) might be - rear ones (with bassworks) most definately aren't...

though that might be the bassworks amp / settings...

mahatma_andy · 16th October 2006, 23:10

OK you've talked me into it. I have one question - when you mount the Astra rings, do you need to drill the doors and use self tapping screws?

Thanks
Andy

WoolyCiv · 16th October 2006, 23:43

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Originally Posted by mahatma_andy

OK you've talked me into it. I have one question - when you mount the Astra rings, do you need to drill the doors and use self tapping screws?

Thanks
Andy

Yes. Didn't like it but couldn't really see any alternative

Barryjm · 17th October 2006, 16:11

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Originally Posted by mahatma_andy

OK you've talked me into it. I have one question - when you mount the Astra rings, do you need to drill the doors and use self tapping screws?

Thanks
Andy

I drilled all 6 holes (3 pairs). Be careful screwing in the self tapping screws, I split the plastic a little on the spacer rings by screwing in too tight, hence the reason I drilled all 6 holes and not just 3 as per some of the eariler diagrams.

I also found that the door trim didn't fit exactly in the corner by the speaker, I assume the spacer rings are slightly too deep. This did not affect the fitting of the trim and has not caused any problems. - Good Luck

mahatma_andy · 17th October 2006, 20:31

Thanks for the advice. Ordered the speakers etc. today, should be here by the weekend. I'll let you know how i get on.

Andy

mahatma_andy · 28th October 2006, 18:29

Finally got round to fitting them yesterday. Seemed fairly straightforward, probably took around 3 hours in all. Not had the chance to give them a proper workout yet, but they sound a lot cleaner than the (apallingly flimsy) standard ones.

Thanks to all who went before me on this one - made the job a whole lot easier!

TheBull · 31st October 2006, 13:53

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Originally Posted by Pottsy

Went out and bought some Infinity Reference 6510CS components and some Astra adaptor rings.

Tweeters - glued in.
Woofers - drilled in the rings and mounted the woofers so that they didn't foul the metal.
X-over - stuck in the inside bottom of the door with double sided number plate tape.
Polarity - on the old woofer, +ve is the right hand connection as you look at the back of the speaker (tested with a 1.5v battery!)

Sound Quality? Best upgrade I've done on any car. Absolutley ace, and you'd be convinced it was a proper amped setup.

Happy at last!

Whats that glue you've used Pottsy?

generationgav · 31st October 2006, 13:57

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Originally Posted by TheBull

Whats that glue you've used Pottsy?

If you're not keen on glueing then a bit of filing of the tweeter mount means you can screw the tweeter in; also gives it a really nice finish with a silver ring around it...
Will try and find who did it and their pics

TheBull · 31st October 2006, 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barryjm

Does anyone know what model speakers are used to replace the rear speakers???

The back speakers are co-axial and not components, therefore, I was thinking of something like the INFINITY REFERENCE 6012i. These should match the quality and sound of the front 6510cs component speakers.
They are also on ebay for approx £40 - wow!!! These should be much easier than the front to install as there is no crossover or separate tweeters to fit.

I would be interested if anyone else has considered speakers in the back and have found anything different???

I got the front co-axials so when my Infinitys arrive I'm going to put the co-axials in the back and the infinitys in the front. Will let you know what it's like.

Bigian · 31st October 2006, 14:36

Collected the car 2 weeks ago and within a couple of hours (and Pottsy's guidence) i had the doors panels off and installed 6510cs in the front and 6012i in the rear. This made a great improvement to the sound quality. The front tweeters are a doddle there is a thread on the site and i followed the instructions, basically once you have the tweeters in your hand it is simple to work out how they are fixed, there is a very small amount of filing to do then the retianing nut holds everything in place(no glueing required) this way you can have the silver metal soround matching the other trim.
The car so far is excellent, previously reported problems all seem to be ironed out, HFT working fine, radio reception great everything as it should be. I-shift is amazing and to be honest i could not go back to manual or standard automatic. Good luck with the mods!

Ian.

TheBull · 31st October 2006, 15:44

At some point I'll want to put the original tweeters back in so I don't want to file anything off. A little dab of medium strength glue is what I'm after. I think. I've not even looked at installing them as the speakers haven't arrived yet.

Bigian · 31st October 2006, 16:32

Dont worry Bull, the ammount you have to file off is tiny and there is a big retaining nut that sercures them in place, the old one will go back easily once you have them in your hand you will see - good luck.

TheBull · 31st October 2006, 20:32

Cheers. For someone who used to rip the insides of a Tornado F3 to bits and put it back together I'm making a big fuss over nothing I think!

I can't wait to get the speakers changed. I've always been a fan of good component set ups since I put some in my Mk1 MR2. Can't wait.

mahatma_andy · 31st October 2006, 20:54

Just to back up what bigian says, you need to take off around 1mm from just a small bit of the circle inside (maybe 1/6 of the circumference), then you can catch the thread of the infinity tweeter mounts and screw em in. The old assembly will go back in easily as its a clip in attachment and the bit you take off is nowhere near the clips. They look really good with the little silver ring.

Andy

Kpow99 · 2nd November 2006, 00:32

I just got Infinity Kappas fitted....Well nice......pardon...can you speak up a bit

Barryjm · 2nd November 2006, 11:37

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Originally Posted by Kpow99

I just got Infinity Kappas fitted....Well nice......pardon...can you speak up a bit

Did you need to amp these, or are they wired straight to the head unit? Also what is the bass output like? The 6510CS do not have a lot of bass so was looking for something a bit more substantial for the back doors

Kpow99 · 2nd November 2006, 14:05

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Originally Posted by Barryjm

Did you need to amp these, or are they wired straight to the head unit? Also what is the bass output like? The 6510CS do not have a lot of bass so was looking for something a bit more substantial for the back doors

Not amp'd in, bass is not a real thump but OK for me....very clear when played loud.

Only had the fronts done, the backs will follow at a later date

Pottsy · 2nd November 2006, 17:23

The fronts will always be short of bass, purely because of the fact that they're mounted in a door, and a door is a terrible enclosure. You could spend a lot of money and time trying to make the door better, but miles easier to just fit a small sub, bit like this:

Weak Bass now sorted! Also, pics of the back of the radio

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Bigian Wheelnut Join Date: 19th June 2006 Posts: 72 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Done the deed Collected the car 2 weeks ago and within a couple of hours (and Pottsy's guidence) i had the doors panels off and installed 6510cs in the front and 6012i in the rear. This made a great improvement to the sound quality. The front tweeters are a doddle there is a thread on the site and i followed the instructions, basically once you have the tweeters in your hand it is simple to work out how they are fixed, there is a very small amount of filing to do then the retianing nut holds everything in place(no glueing required) this way you can have the silver metal soround matching the other trim. The car so far is excellent, previously reported problems all seem to be ironed out, HFT working fine, radio reception great everything as it should be. I-shift is amazing and to be honest i could not go back to manual or standard automatic. Good luck with the mods! Ian.

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Barryjm Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 15th September 2006 Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Does anyone know what model speakers are used to replace the rear speakers???[/quote] The back speakers are co-axial and not components, therefore, I was thinking of something like the INFINITY REFERENCE 6012i. These should match the quality and sound of the front 6510cs component speakers. They are also on ebay for approx £40 - wow!!! These should be much easier than the front to install as there is no crossover or separate tweeters to fit. I would be interested if anyone else has considered speakers in the back and have found anything different???

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mahatma_andy Valve Cap Join Date: 20th August 2006 Location: Solihull Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	OK you've talked me into it. I have one question - when you mount the Astra rings, do you need to drill the doors and use self tapping screws? Thanks Andy

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mahatma_andy Valve Cap Join Date: 20th August 2006 Location: Solihull Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Thanks for the advice. Ordered the speakers etc. today, should be here by the weekend. I'll let you know how i get on. Andy

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mahatma_andy Valve Cap Join Date: 20th August 2006 Location: Solihull Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Finally got round to fitting them yesterday. Seemed fairly straightforward, probably took around 3 hours in all. Not had the chance to give them a proper workout yet, but they sound a lot cleaner than the (apallingly flimsy) standard ones. Thanks to all who went before me on this one - made the job a whole lot easier!

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TheBull Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 13th October 2006 Location: Tayside Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	At some point I'll want to put the original tweeters back in so I don't want to file anything off. A little dab of medium strength glue is what I'm after. I think. I've not even looked at installing them as the speakers haven't arrived yet.

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Bigian Wheelnut Join Date: 19th June 2006 Posts: 72 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Dont worry Bull, the ammount you have to file off is tiny and there is a big retaining nut that sercures them in place, the old one will go back easily once you have them in your hand you will see - good luck.

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TheBull Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 13th October 2006 Location: Tayside Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Cheers. For someone who used to rip the insides of a Tornado F3 to bits and put it back together I'm making a big fuss over nothing I think! I can't wait to get the speakers changed. I've always been a fan of good component set ups since I put some in my Mk1 MR2. Can't wait.

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mahatma_andy Valve Cap Join Date: 20th August 2006 Location: Solihull Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Just to back up what bigian says, you need to take off around 1mm from just a small bit of the circle inside (maybe 1/6 of the circumference), then you can catch the thread of the infinity tweeter mounts and screw em in. The old assembly will go back in easily as its a clip in attachment and the bit you take off is nowhere near the clips. They look really good with the little silver ring. Andy

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Kpow99 Explosive Mind Unleashed Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th May 2006 Location: London Posts: 535 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I just got Infinity Kappas fitted....Well nice......pardon...can you speak up a bit

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,943 Thanks: 26 Thanked 243 Times in 130 Posts iTrader: (0)	The fronts will always be short of bass, purely because of the fact that they're mounted in a door, and a door is a terrible enclosure. You could spend a lot of money and time trying to make the door better, but miles easier to just fit a small sub, bit like this: Weak Bass now sorted! Also, pics of the back of the radio