Front speakers - replacement with Infinity Ref 6510CS - Page 7

TheBull · 5th November 2006, 18:20

Well, I finished the install today and am well chuffed with myself. Thanks Pottsy and whoever else for sussing this out the tweeters look fab in their new homes.

Like many have already said there is a distinct lack of bass and I know this will improve as the speakers get "run in". How long does it usually take? At first I thought I had my polaritys wrong and the bass from either side was cancelling the other side out (I might still check this) but I am getting SOME bass so I'll leave them to break in a bit before making a final judgement.

I also moved my front co-axials into the back while I was in the mood for taking door panels off and couldn't believe how crap they are when you see them in your hand. I can't believe Honda charge what is it £150? for fitting them instead of the standard fit speakers. I mean, the standard ones are pretty bad but the co-axials aint that much better.

I'm not going to have the back ones pushing much power out anyway as I'll have it faded mostly to the front so I'm not too bothered about upgrading them but IMO they are a bit of a rip off.

One thing I noticed when taking the back door panels off was that unless you support the panels when you take them off the door liner starts to peel off the horrible black sticky stuff and gets a bit messy.

TheBull · 6th November 2006, 13:41

How long does it usually take to run in the Infinitys? Weeks? Days?

generationgav · 6th November 2006, 13:54

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Originally Posted by TheBull

How long does it usually take to run in the Infinitys? Weeks? Days?

I think it was about 3 weeks for me; but didn't really know and they just seemed far better one day.
It depends how much you use them I guess! This was only an hour a day.

civic2006 · 20th November 2006, 11:13

Nice photos, thanks.

TheBull · 26th November 2006, 15:26

As I suspected I had connected the passengers side speaker up with the wrong polarity so now I'm getting the sound I should have and oh my god.....what a difference!! Sounds amazing!! The bass is pretty good I thought so there'll be no need to buy that sub anymore.

Great mod, and they only cost £50 plus postage from a guy on ebay!

Barryjm · 27th November 2006, 15:52

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Originally Posted by TheBull

As I suspected I had connected the passengers side speaker up with the wrong polarity so now I'm getting the sound I should have and oh my god.....what a difference!! Sounds amazing!! The bass is pretty good I thought so there'll be no need to buy that sub anymore.

Great mod, and they only cost £50 plus postage from a guy on ebay!

Did you note the colours of the wires? I connected the following: +ve is light blue on the passenger side, +ve is grey on the passenger side.

I'm concerned I might have connected them incorrectly, since the bass is OK, but not 'amazing'. Hopefully I have it right because I really don't want to remove the door panels again!!!

TheBull · 27th November 2006, 20:23

No mate you are right. Don't take them off again!

Don't get me wrong, the bass isn't brilliant but it's so much better than when I had the polaritys wrong on the one speaker.

Type S Bournemouth · 27th November 2006, 20:34

personally i would remove the door panels again to double check. I just think if youve gone to the trouble of spending money and fitting these speakers to improve your sound then you might as well double check that they are wired correctly and get the maximum out of them.

Pottsy · 27th November 2006, 22:36

Front left + Light Green
Front left - Light Blue
Front right + Grey
Front right - Brown

Rear left + Yellow
Rear left - Brown
Rear right + Blue
Rear right - Orange

HTH

Stef · 30th November 2006, 12:08

Do not be fooled by the size of the magnet!
The magnet used by Honda are special ones, just to keep the weight down of the car. The make is probably Goodmans (they where in me CRV).
The standard speakers are fine for most users, just turn up the Bass and Treble settings (probably at max.)

daiashthomas · 10th December 2006, 23:48

ordered the genesis audiophiles for my civic

http://www.genesiscaraudio.net/speak....02/index.html

digisine · 4th January 2007, 12:37

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Originally Posted by Pottsy

Went out and bought some Infinity Reference 6510CS components and some Astra adaptor rings.

Tweeters - glued in.
Woofers - drilled in the rings and mounted the woofers so that they didn't foul the metal.
X-over - stuck in the inside bottom of the door with double sided number plate tape.
Polarity - on the old woofer, +ve is the right hand connection as you look at the back of the speaker (tested with a 1.5v battery!)

Sound Quality? Best upgrade I've done on any car. Absolutley ace, and you'd be convinced it was a proper amped setup.

Happy at last!

Just about to embark on a similar upgrade. Notice you have wired the tweater output to the -3dB crossover terminal. Is that because its necessary to reduce tweater output level or because of your personla listening choice? Did you try both ways to connect first?

generationgav · 4th January 2007, 12:47

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Originally Posted by digisine

Just about to embark on a similar upgrade. Notice you have wired the tweater output to the -3dB crossover terminal. Is that because its necessary to reduce tweater output level or because of your personla listening choice? Did you try both ways to connect first?

It's personal choice; but I tried both and the tweeter is very overpowering if it's not set to -3dB. I'd very much advise it otherwise the sound just isn't level; even now I've got Bass on +3 and Treble on -4 I think and it's not "too" bassy, it just sounds level.

digisine · 4th January 2007, 12:58

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Originally Posted by generationgav

It's personal choice; but I tried both and the tweeter is very overpowering if it's not set to -3dB. I'd very much advise it otherwise the sound just isn't level; even now I've got Bass on +3 and Treble on -4 I think and it's not "too" bassy, it just sounds level.

Ok - that's really helpful - thanks. I note the treble setting that you are now using, could you let me know how that varies from the settng you were using prior to the speaker upgrade? This will enable me to baseline your base/treble mix listening preferences with mine.

generationgav · 4th January 2007, 13:16

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Originally Posted by digisine

Ok - that's really helpful - thanks. I note the treble setting that you are now using, could you let me know how that varies from the settng you were using prior to the speaker upgrade? This will enable me to baseline your base/treble mix listening preferences with mine.

I think it was on something like +1 bass, 0 treble, but mine will be a very bad comparison as I never had tweeters previous to me upgrading.
Try it both ways anyway, it's pretty easy to change it if you like; but I would suggest having it on -3dB and putting the treble up, if there's still not enough tweet for you then change it to the other setting.

Pottsy · 4th January 2007, 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by digisine

Just about to embark on a similar upgrade. Notice you have wired the tweater output to the -3dB crossover terminal. Is that because its necessary to reduce tweater output level or because of your personla listening choice? Did you try both ways to connect first?

Exactly the same as Gav for me. The treble is dominant (or at least the bass is relatively weak because the doors are poor cabinets) so -3db terminal, and the same bass & treble settings as Gav.

terry · 7th January 2007, 00:19

I have ordered the 6510CS speakers and the recommended spacers to do the upgrade.
I hope it is as easy as all that have done the job imply!
Cheers

Meino · 9th January 2007, 12:12

Is it possible to use the standard rings which hold the original speakers? Just cut of the original speaker?

Also someone knows how to get a power cable from the engine bay into the car? (think petrol and diesel are different), I have a petrol and didn't succeeded yet to find a hole to pass the cable.

Thanks

terry · 9th January 2007, 16:20

Hi Meino,
Possibly, but it would mean destroying the original speaker as the spacer is an integral part.
I bought the suggested spacers so that if it all goes wrong I can refit the original speakers.

Meino · 12th January 2007, 07:32

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Originally Posted by terry

Hi Meino,
Possibly, but it would mean destroying the original speaker as the spacer is an integral part.
I bought the suggested spacers so that if it all goes wrong I can refit the original speakers.

Thanks, than I will also go for new spacers, want to keep the infinity's when the car goes back to the leasecompany in four years

Then I can fit them in the next model civic....

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TheBull Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 13th October 2006 Location: Tayside Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well, I finished the install today and am well chuffed with myself. Thanks Pottsy and whoever else for sussing this out the tweeters look fab in their new homes. Like many have already said there is a distinct lack of bass and I know this will improve as the speakers get "run in". How long does it usually take? At first I thought I had my polaritys wrong and the bass from either side was cancelling the other side out (I might still check this) but I am getting SOME bass so I'll leave them to break in a bit before making a final judgement. I also moved my front co-axials into the back while I was in the mood for taking door panels off and couldn't believe how crap they are when you see them in your hand. I can't believe Honda charge what is it £150? for fitting them instead of the standard fit speakers. I mean, the standard ones are pretty bad but the co-axials aint that much better. I'm not going to have the back ones pushing much power out anyway as I'll have it faded mostly to the front so I'm not too bothered about upgrading them but IMO they are a bit of a rip off. One thing I noticed when taking the back door panels off was that unless you support the panels when you take them off the door liner starts to peel off the horrible black sticky stuff and gets a bit messy.

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TheBull Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 13th October 2006 Location: Tayside Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	How long does it usually take to run in the Infinitys? Weeks? Days?

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civic2006 Valve Cap Join Date: 20th November 2006 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Nice photos, thanks.

26th November 2006, 15:26	#125 (permalink)
TheBull Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 13th October 2006 Location: Tayside Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	As I suspected I had connected the passengers side speaker up with the wrong polarity so now I'm getting the sound I should have and oh my god.....what a difference!! Sounds amazing!! The bass is pretty good I thought so there'll be no need to buy that sub anymore. Great mod, and they only cost £50 plus postage from a guy on ebay!

27th November 2006, 20:23	#127 (permalink)
TheBull Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 13th October 2006 Location: Tayside Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No mate you are right. Don't take them off again! Don't get me wrong, the bass isn't brilliant but it's so much better than when I had the polaritys wrong on the one speaker.

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Type S Bournemouth Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 3rd October 2006 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 968 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	personally i would remove the door panels again to double check. I just think if youve gone to the trouble of spending money and fitting these speakers to improve your sound then you might as well double check that they are wired correctly and get the maximum out of them.

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,039 Thanks: 13 Thanked 95 Times in 50 Posts	Front left + Light Green Front left - Light Blue Front right + Grey Front right - Brown Rear left + Yellow Rear left - Brown Rear right + Blue Rear right - Orange HTH

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Stef Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 14th October 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 365 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Do not be fooled by the size of the magnet! The magnet used by Honda are special ones, just to keep the weight down of the car. The make is probably Goodmans (they where in me CRV). The standard speakers are fine for most users, just turn up the Bass and Treble settings (probably at max.)

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daiashthomas Wheelnut Join Date: 14th October 2006 Location: Nr. Swansea Posts: 81 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ordered the genesis audiophiles for my civic http://www.genesiscaraudio.net/speak....02/index.html

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terry Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 24th September 2006 Location: Cambridge Posts: 328 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have ordered the 6510CS speakers and the recommended spacers to do the upgrade. I hope it is as easy as all that have done the job imply! Cheers

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Meino Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 18th October 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 474 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is it possible to use the standard rings which hold the original speakers? Just cut of the original speaker? Also someone knows how to get a power cable from the engine bay into the car? (think petrol and diesel are different), I have a petrol and didn't succeeded yet to find a hole to pass the cable. Thanks

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terry Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 24th September 2006 Location: Cambridge Posts: 328 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Meino, Possibly, but it would mean destroying the original speaker as the spacer is an integral part. I bought the suggested spacers so that if it all goes wrong I can refit the original speakers.