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My current daily driver is a 2010 BMW 330i, which I've had for about 6 months or so. I've failed to fall in love with it as I'd hoped to, and am now looking to make a change.


The 2012+ Civic has caught my eye as a sensible, attractive and reliable car. Having never driven one before, I'm hoping to learn more about this model, what the more common problems are, and what the various engines and trim levels are like to live with.

Any advice would be welcome.


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Welcome, what didn't you like about the beemer?
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...what the more common problems are,...


What is this new language I see...I think he must be speaking in German.
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Welcome, what didn't you like about the beemer?
Urgh, where do I start? I really wanted to like it, and in some ways, it is a FANTASTIC car. Here's a run-down:

Pros:
Fast. As long as you have grip, in the right gear, it accelerates very quickly (268 BHP or so)
Excellent handling - best handling car I've driven, by far.
Nice, simple good looks (in my opinion).
Feels solid and well-built.

Cons:
Uncomfortable on anything but a flat, smooth road. No, it's not M-sport, just a standard SE with run-flat tyres. My partner's A3 simply glides along roads that the BMW bangs and shakes over.
Noisy - for some reason this car is very noisy on the motorway! The wind noise from the windscreen / front of the car is horrific, compared to the A3. Road noise is OK, but not great.
Stiff gear-change - sometimes it slots in nicely, other times it takes considerable effort, particularly in 1st and reverse.
Stiff clutch pedal - you'll get the left thigh of a power lifter (to match your left arm from the gear changes).
Narrow clutch "bite" zone, making it jerky in stop-start traffic
Revs dip when you pull off - very annoying, I think it's linked to the narrow "bite" zone of the clutch, needs a lot of effort to get a smooth take-off.
Throttle is too sensitive - extremely difficult to pull off smoothly, or in traffic. WHen driving quickly it's fine, but steady, smooth driving is a pain sometimes.
Revvy, gutless engine - Great when revving it up, annoying when caught trying to overtake in the wrong gear.
Boring interior - solid enough, but looks like a car 10 years older than it is - Orange dashboard lights, old-style black plastic buttons for air-con, etc.
Leather seats not comfortable, and are too slippy for a car that can corner as well as it does.
Weird injector noise around 1500 - 2000 rpm. It's a common fault, and doesn't affect the performance or longevity of the car, it just sounds horrible.
Brake discs squeal at 10mph or less - again, a common, normal fault.

Sorry that's quite a list - but there's so much that has put me off about this car, I just need a change to something completely different. I don't need speed (I normally cruise at 70mph), I don't need razor-sharp handling, but I do want to be comfortable and quiet. Fuel economy isn't too much of an issue, but an efficient car would mean my partner can use it for work, to spread the miles between our cars a bit (I don't do many miles a year myself, but she does about 20,000). Also, it means filling up less, which sounds good to me
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What about an A3?
Civics are quite firm, my 8th gen type r certainly wouldn't appeal to you. 9g is firm but improved.
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What about an A3?
Civics are quite firm, my 8th gen type r certainly wouldn't appeal to you. 9g is firm but improved.
An A3 would be nice! However I don't want to spend the money a modern A3 commands, particularly once options like sat nav and bluetooth are present. I'd like to try something different, and I also want something reliable; something I don't have to worry about.

I was also considering a 2012+ Toyota Avensis estate, but the lower price of a civic is tempting.

EDIT: I should mention that I won't be getting a Type R! It'll probably be a 2.2 diesel civic, or a similar Avensis.
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comfortable and quiet isn't a Civic - you should be looking at a second hand Lexus
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comfortable and quiet isn't a Civic - you should be looking at a second hand Lexus
Interesting, I've read that the diesel civics are very quiet and comfortable on the move. Thanks for the information.
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I can certainly echo that the modern Civic's are a stiff ride, i have a 1.8 Petrol Type-S, which is a rung down the ladder from the Type-R, but it has a firm ride, luckily i like a firm riding car
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I'll certainly pay attention to the ride quality if/when I test drive a civic. Thanks for the information all
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Never driven a 9th gen Civic, but reports on here are generally favourable regarding ride and drive quality.

Have had/have 4 8th gen civics and happy enough with all of them (ok, did'nt get on so well with the ES model)

2012 on, I would assume you will be looking at the 9th gen cars.
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I moved from a Mercedes B200 turbo to a 9th gen 1.6 diesel.
The Civic ice is 6 years it's junior can only match the B class rather than improve on it. Coming from a BMW I think your criteria would lead you to be too critical to tolerate a Civic...but, and this is where the Civic is worth its salt, I hate the build quality of German cars. I dont mean the perceived quality such as interior plastics, I mean the actual build quality. All German cars I've had previously have been in garage more times than I care to remember. The Civic just works and hasn't caused me any stress.
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If you are going to try a Civic go and test drive a 2014-2016 model year 1.6 diesel, I would not bother with the 2.2 as little to choose between them but the 1.6 is a gem and in 2014 there were a few refinements and then again in 2015 with the facelift. My guess is you want a 2014 or 2015 1.6 SR but a test drive cost nothing and if you do it in the right car you will soon know what you think.
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I went from a 2013 F11 520d M Sport Touring to a 2015 Civic 1.6 dtec Sport. The main reason for the change was to save up some money and try and bring forward my retirement plans. I'm still only 48 so still like driving.

So far I've no regrets. Sure there are things about my BMW that I miss but that's to be expected given the big step change.

Downsides are, strange seating position which is too high. I'm used to it now but it took some time to adjust. Interior trim quality is significantly lower with cheaper​ plastics everywhere, well screwed together though. That's about it.

Upsides, cheap insurance and running costs, no tax. Much easier to park than the 5 as much smaller. Also more agile and chuckable if wanting some fun. Coming from BMW MSports the ride is ok for me.

The 1.6dtec engine is good, with a Bluespark box it's great especially given the zero tax and economy.
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I went from a 2013 F11 520d M Sport Touring to a 2015 Civic 1.6 dtec Sport.
Thanks for your perspective.

I actually find that the seating position in my BMW is a bit too low, so I would probably get on well with the Civic's seat.

The 2015 Civic looks very smart indeed! However if I was going to spend £9-10k+ on a car, if would have to be a couple of years older that that, so that it would've shed more of its value before I bought it.

Either that or I'd have to be sure that I'd be keeping it for a long, long time
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