Built in CD WMA Discs

fishyuk · 3rd October 2006, 23:11

Still only just getting to grips with the new car (but half a day old still). Found myself popping out to it to try new stuff at a late hour, as I saw many others have done!

Anyway, as far as the audio player goes I'm really impressed. The GUI on the EX is very easily picked up, especially to anyone vaguely PC literate, in fact I had to force myself to register that it was so simple!

I'd noticed that some had said there was a very long wait for data discs to be recognised but I've been mildly surprised. My discs are Verbatim Lightscribe CDs and I've used Windows Media Player 11 to burn WMA format (better than MP3 and I only use my ipod for podcasts anyway) disks. Seems to take about 5 secs for the disk to be recognised and start playing with correct track info, the full disk info then populates in the background. May be a firmware update in the 2007 model or could be that the system prefers WMA or even reads the windows playlist.

karlak · 3rd October 2006, 23:15

Would love to see some pictures of the Storms/Black glass roof, oh and a door open to show the leather...... Please

TTDegs · 3rd October 2006, 23:22

fishy - how many tracks are you putting on the CD?

dodgy memory recalls that the problems (slow to load) happen if more than about 100?

Ancient Nerd · 3rd October 2006, 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTDegs

fishy - how many tracks are you putting on the CD?

dodgy memory recalls that the problems (slow to load) happen if more than about 100?

That would explain my problems. I usually listen to audiobooks, which often have 200-300 tracks on an MP3 or WMA CD. It takes forever to start playing again after a traffic announcement.

fishyuk · 4th October 2006, 00:12

Hmm. the CDs I've tried certainly have 100+ tracks but I doubt they break 200. Using 192Kbps in the main though some of the older stuff is 128Kbps so may have a CD with 200+

Knat · 4th October 2006, 08:28

I use MP3 cds and I never have a problem with them starting to play, its the long time between inserting a CD and getting to know what all the track info is which is a problem

pjelsworth · 4th October 2006, 09:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knat

I use MP3 cds and I never have a problem with them starting to play, its the long time between inserting a CD and getting to know what all the track info is which is a problem

Same here ... it plays pretty quickly but takes a long time to list the disk information so that it can be navigated. It is definitely related to the number of tracks as when I was first trying it out with less tracks it worked much quicker.

mikel · 4th October 2006, 13:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjelsworth

Same here ... it plays pretty quickly but takes a long time to list the disk information so that it can be navigated. It is definitely related to the number of tracks as when I was first trying it out with less tracks it worked much quicker.

I have used cars with full iPod integration and it can take over a minute to read the iPod (go on try sitting for a minute!). So is obviously to do with reading the data.

Mike

IWANTACIVIC · 5th October 2006, 02:51

Has anyone tryed using a laser lens cleaner to see if that speeds it up my old laptop used to do that then you clean it it would be lots quicker.

Nick7 · 5th October 2006, 09:26

You can't really compare laptop with CD/MP3 drive in car.
Also, thing I'm not sure of (as I'm still waiting for my car) - does the play er read ID3 tags?
If that is the case, that can be reason for such slowness - as CD drive needs to access each MP3, read tag, move lens, etc, etc...
Another thing to remember, that CD drives for car spin CD's at much slower speed than one in your computer - due to vibrations in car, etc.. also whole drive must be more robust (and is usually slower due to this).

richierich · 5th October 2006, 09:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick7

You can't really compare laptop with CD/MP3 drive in car.
Also, thing I'm not sure of (as I'm still waiting for my car) - does the play er read ID3 tags?
If that is the case, that can be reason for such slowness - as CD drive needs to access each MP3, read tag, move lens, etc, etc...
Another thing to remember, that CD drives for car spin CD's at much slower speed than one in your computer - due to vibrations in car, etc.. also whole drive must be more robust (and is usually slower due to this).

I think it does use ID3 tags, there has been several discussions on here about editing ID3 tags. It seems the MP3 player plays the tracks in numerical and then alphabetical order based on the ID3 tag information, so if you have lots of tracks with the same number if you make a compilation it does not play it in the order that you burnt it, again probably a reason for it to take so long.

generationgav · 5th October 2006, 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by IWANTACIVIC

Has anyone tryed using a laser lens cleaner to see if that speeds it up my old laptop used to do that then you clean it it would be lots quicker.

This might work if it's starting to play up after a year; but not going to make any difference on a new car, you can usually hear when it's trying to reread a sector, it just takes a while to read all of the data.

Fedorov · 5th October 2006, 14:19

I'm convinced the bitrate you encode them at makes a big difference to the read speed as well - my 2nd mp3 disc I've just done I didn't really have enough albums to fill it up so I actually included some 320kbps mp3's on the disc rather than reduce their quality - although this disc has LESS files/tracks on it takes a LOT longer to read those larger files...

Stef · 15th October 2006, 16:35

You can put 255 tracks on a CD
I use variable bit rate (about 64KBPS) ripping with Windows Media player.
Perfect quality!
If you have the SATNAV system, the selection of tracks and folders works like a charm. All y all an amazing audio system.

In my previous car I installed a 3000Euro Pioneer SATNAV system
It only played MP3 and there was no way to list the tracks or select a song. you had to do with next and previous track to make a selection!
It had a 7" screen and showed only 1 title track at the time!
It was a 2003 system, with 1970 software!

pjelsworth · 16th December 2006, 11:23

I was using WMA disks as I believed they might be better but I have noticed a strange thing now I have tried an MP3 disk. With the WMA disk the track titles were cut off at about 16 characters .... very annoying. The MP3 disk I have just done shows the whole text right across the screen if it is a long title. I'm well chuffed as I could never work out why they were cut off.

Parky · 16th December 2006, 11:38

It might be taking longer to read the CD tracks as it is trying to read the CD tag info AND play the music at the same time. That will be causing the read head to be flitting back and forwards, making it slower. Try inserting a CD and switching to the radio for a few seconds, then see if it has read the CD.

pcr · 16th December 2006, 11:39

pjelworth,
Please tell more about your mp3 disc format/layout. After maybe three attempts, all mine truncate most titles, but not all, to 16 characters.
Regards, pcr.

pjelsworth · 16th December 2006, 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcr

pjelworth,
Please tell more about your mp3 disc format/layout. After maybe three attempts, all mine truncate most titles, but not all, to 16 characters.
Regards, pcr.

I ripped CDs using Windows Media Player 11 into "My Music" folder on the PC. Went into the folder and right-clicked the folder (with is the name of the artist) and then selected "Send to" and selcted my CD drive.

Maybe Media Player 11 creates the more compatible ID tags

P@tje · 16th December 2006, 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjelsworth

I was using WMA disks as I believed they might be better but I have noticed a strange thing now I have tried an MP3 disk. With the WMA disk the track titles were cut off at about 16 characters .... very annoying. The MP3 disk I have just done shows the whole text right across the screen if it is a long title. I'm well chuffed as I could never work out why they were cut off.

when text is longer then display press the disp key to read next part of the text.
although this is not handy it's a solution.

P@tje · 16th December 2006, 12:05

it's very important to have a flat tree in the structure. It's the best way to use foldernames but without any subfolders !
Don't use foldernames with name of Artist and in these folder the name of the disc. That's not the way.
Best is that the root of the cd only contain foldernames of one level. If you create a folder, name it like the name of the album. The name of the artist is in the TAG of de files and can always be displayed.

This solution is also advised for DVD players to play MP3/WMA with those players.

3rd October 2006, 23:11	#1 (permalink)
fishyuk Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 30th July 2006 Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	WMA Discs Still only just getting to grips with the new car (but half a day old still). Found myself popping out to it to try new stuff at a late hour, as I saw many others have done! Anyway, as far as the audio player goes I'm really impressed. The GUI on the EX is very easily picked up, especially to anyone vaguely PC literate, in fact I had to force myself to register that it was so simple! I'd noticed that some had said there was a very long wait for data discs to be recognised but I've been mildly surprised. My discs are Verbatim Lightscribe CDs and I've used Windows Media Player 11 to burn WMA format (better than MP3 and I only use my ipod for podcasts anyway) disks. Seems to take about 5 secs for the disk to be recognised and start playing with correct track info, the full disk info then populates in the background. May be a firmware update in the 2007 model or could be that the system prefers WMA or even reads the windows playlist.

15th October 2006, 16:35	#14 (permalink)
Stef Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 14th October 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 383 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	WMA disc You can put 255 tracks on a CD I use variable bit rate (about 64KBPS) ripping with Windows Media player. Perfect quality! If you have the SATNAV system, the selection of tracks and folders works like a charm. All y all an amazing audio system. In my previous car I installed a 3000Euro Pioneer SATNAV system It only played MP3 and there was no way to list the tracks or select a song. you had to do with next and previous track to make a selection! It had a 7" screen and showed only 1 title track at the time! It was a 2003 system, with 1970 software!

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3rd October 2006, 23:15	#2 (permalink)
karlak Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 3rd June 2006 Posts: 432 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Would love to see some pictures of the Storms/Black glass roof, oh and a door open to show the leather...... Please

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	fishy - how many tracks are you putting on the CD? dodgy memory recalls that the problems (slow to load) happen if more than about 100?

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fishyuk Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 30th July 2006 Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hmm. the CDs I've tried certainly have 100+ tracks but I doubt they break 200. Using 192Kbps in the main though some of the older stuff is 128Kbps so may have a CD with 200+

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Knat Wheelnut Join Date: 6th September 2006 Location: Southport, UK Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I use MP3 cds and I never have a problem with them starting to play, its the long time between inserting a CD and getting to know what all the track info is which is a problem

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IWANTACIVIC Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 16th September 2006 Location: LINCS UK Posts: 658 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Has anyone tryed using a laser lens cleaner to see if that speeds it up my old laptop used to do that then you clean it it would be lots quicker.

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Nick7 Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 10th August 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 451 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	You can't really compare laptop with CD/MP3 drive in car. Also, thing I'm not sure of (as I'm still waiting for my car) - does the play er read ID3 tags? If that is the case, that can be reason for such slowness - as CD drive needs to access each MP3, read tag, move lens, etc, etc... Another thing to remember, that CD drives for car spin CD's at much slower speed than one in your computer - due to vibrations in car, etc.. also whole drive must be more robust (and is usually slower due to this).

5th October 2006, 14:19	#13 (permalink)
Fedorov Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 15th April 2006 Posts: 783 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I'm convinced the bitrate you encode them at makes a big difference to the read speed as well - my 2nd mp3 disc I've just done I didn't really have enough albums to fill it up so I actually included some 320kbps mp3's on the disc rather than reduce their quality - although this disc has LESS files/tracks on it takes a LOT longer to read those larger files...

16th December 2006, 11:23	#15 (permalink)
pjelsworth Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 14th May 2006 Location: Halifax, W. Yorks Posts: 382 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I was using WMA disks as I believed they might be better but I have noticed a strange thing now I have tried an MP3 disk. With the WMA disk the track titles were cut off at about 16 characters .... very annoying. The MP3 disk I have just done shows the whole text right across the screen if it is a long title. I'm well chuffed as I could never work out why they were cut off.

16th December 2006, 11:38	#16 (permalink)
Parky Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 4th July 2006 Posts: 327 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	It might be taking longer to read the CD tracks as it is trying to read the CD tag info AND play the music at the same time. That will be causing the read head to be flitting back and forwards, making it slower. Try inserting a CD and switching to the radio for a few seconds, then see if it has read the CD.

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pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 848 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	pjelworth, Please tell more about your mp3 disc format/layout. After maybe three attempts, all mine truncate most titles, but not all, to 16 characters. Regards, pcr.

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P@tje Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 19th November 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 185 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	it's very important to have a flat tree in the structure. It's the best way to use foldernames but without any subfolders ! Don't use foldernames with name of Artist and in these folder the name of the disc. That's not the way. Best is that the root of the cd only contain foldernames of one level. If you create a folder, name it like the name of the album. The name of the artist is in the TAG of de files and can always be displayed. This solution is also advised for DVD players to play MP3/WMA with those players.