Built in CD Weird glitch playing MP3 CDs/CDR discs

Diggers · 29th January 2007, 07:28

I recently put some tracks onto recordable CDs from the music library on my computer. Some were MP3s downloaded from the net and some were from CDs that I own which I'd ripped to put on my MP3 player.

All of these discs were pretty full with music (about 18-20) tracks on each disc.

However, when playing them in my car (Civ Type-S) they seem to get about half way through, then either completely fail (and a "disc error") message appears or they play in a very broken and distorted way.

Is this because the car CD player can't read the full disc properly? Should I be using a particular type of disc?

Any thoughts on this one?

Meino · 29th January 2007, 07:36

Didn´t have any problems with mine so far, but as far as I know, the brand of the CD´r can make a big difference. So I would suggest to try another brand of CD´r and try again. Next to that I should also try to burn the CD at lower speed...

skam · 29th January 2007, 08:00

my advice is to burn your normal cd's at lowest speed...but i can't understand the reason of doing it in a mp3 cd...
Of course i agree taht the brand of the cd's makes a big difference...so try not to choose no name cd's for your cd player...

Parky · 29th January 2007, 08:33

A CD with 20 - 30 MP3's on it would not be full.

Are you sure you made an MP3 CD or did you make a music CD?

Ian

Kremmen · 29th January 2007, 08:55

Normal CD's are .CDA files which as you say are about 20 per CD(R).

.MP3 should be burnt as Data CD's and I would expect loads more on the CDR. (Up to 100 ?)

As above, burn at the slowest speed possible (1x to 4x) and go for quality makes of CDR.

I like Verbs, Imation, TDK, etc.

Also try to avoid paper type labels, if they come unstuck at the edges then it can damage the unit and fail to eject them properly. Labels also add to the CDR depth and that can cause problems.

A good source of quality CDR's is http://svp.co.uk/products-list.php?cid=68

Diggers · 29th January 2007, 18:50

Thanks guys. I tried a CD that my girlfriend made for me on the way home from work today - it's entirely MP3 or WMA files, about 47 of them in total, and it seemed to play all of them fine except tracks 45 to 47 inclusive.

Looking at the underside of the disc, where you can see how much of it has been burnt onto, I'd say about half of it is full.

Annoyingly I can't find the blank discs we were using at the moment, but I think they were TDK or some other named brand - not Tesco's own or something.

I'll try making a disc with a slower burn rate but a full capacity of tracks (either audio or data/mp3/wma) and see what happens. I'll keep you posted.

Cheers.

pcr · 29th January 2007, 18:59

A couple of things :
Try an original CD, dirt on the lense or misalignment tend to be more of a problem with home blown CDs.
Don't mix file types on the same CD.
Try the iffy CDs in your computer.

Diggers · 29th January 2007, 19:21

Original CDs seem fine. I wondered if it was something to do with switching between file types though. Good tip.

basegreen · 29th January 2007, 19:43

Sounds like youve burned it as audio.

Diggers · 29th January 2007, 19:59

So - Just so I get this right:-

I should burn MP3 files (or WMA but not both on one disc) onto discs as data files.

Do I need a particular TYPE - as opposed to brand - of blank disc?

I need to get a decent brand of blank disc.

If burning AUDIO (music CD to blank CD) I should burn at the lowest available speed.

If burning MP3/data files - does speed of burn make a difference?

Sorry if I'm being a bit of dunce at this. My old car's CD player wouldn't play these MP3 discs at all, so it's new territory for me!

Maldax · 29th January 2007, 20:35

If you use Music software to burn your CD it will no doubt burn it as an Audio CD and not MP3. With MP3 you just need to copy your files from your PC in the same format with folders etc. I can get about 10 Albums on an MP3 CD

TTDegs · 29th January 2007, 23:49

I've had a mix of WMA and MP3s on the same CD with no problem

Whenever burning anything to CD or DVD that I'm going to use more than once or twice, I always go for slow speed.
For the sake of the extra 10 mins or so to burn, vs having to reburn another one in the future...

BUT
quoting from the manual:
In a disc compressed in WMA standard, the DRM (Digital Rights Management) file cannot be played. If the system finds the DRM file in a disc, you will see "CD FORMAT" in the display for a few seconds. The system searches for the next folder or file and plays it.

Now - I have absol-blinking-loutely NO idea what that means

It just rang a bell when you said it wouldn't play the last 3 WMA files, and thought it might be related

Diggers · 30th January 2007, 00:01

Thanks guys.

Just made a disc of about 100 songs as .wma files. It's all the songs that I burnt as audio files onto about 5 normal CDs a couple of weeks ago.

Will persevere and let you know!

Kremmen · 30th January 2007, 07:03

A few of points worth noting.

A car CD player is not like a home unit. The laser head is slightly further away from the CD as it has a built in tolerance for shock protection. The same thing applies to CD Walkman's. That gives car units a disadvantage.

Point 2 is that CDR's in general are only about 70% as refelective as pressed CD's = disadvantage No 2.

A third thing to watch this time of year is a CD brought from a warm house to a cold car. The CD can mist until the CD player warms up.

A: = Yes - burn .MP3 files as 'data' otherwise your burning application will convert them to .CDA and you will typically only get about 20 per CD.

Always ensure that the CDR's are 'finalized' which ensures more compatilbilty with standalone players.

Diggers · 30th January 2007, 07:33

Kremmen - I suppose that your first and second points above might explain why it's the last couple of tracks that it isn't picking up properly. Interesting. I didn't know that about car CD players.

pjelsworth · 30th January 2007, 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTDegs

BUT
quoting from the manual:
In a disc compressed in WMA standard, the DRM (Digital Rights Management) file cannot be played. If the system finds the DRM file in a disc, you will see "CD FORMAT" in the display for a few seconds. The system searches for the next folder or file and plays it.

Now - I have absol-blinking-loutely NO idea what that means

It just rang a bell when you said it wouldn't play the last 3 WMA files, and thought it might be related

Having wrestled with this one a little whilst trying to download an album from Tesco I got the jist of it; downloaded music has digital rights associated with it to stop people simply downloading music and passing it on. You must have the relevant licence in a file provided in order to play the music on your PC. When you copy to a CD or download to an MP3 player, you have the option to take the DRM with it or not. I guess if you do, then the Civic can't deal with it.

Diggers · 30th January 2007, 20:49

Well, the WMA CD I made with about 100 tracks on it seems to be working alright. Very pleased with it in fact. Another neat feature of the Civ, this track listing thing, isn't it?

BrianAlbertsen · 30th January 2007, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTDegs

BUT
quoting from the manual:
In a disc compressed in WMA standard, the DRM (Digital Rights Management) file cannot be played. If the system finds the DRM file in a disc, you will see "CD FORMAT" in the display for a few seconds. The system searches for the next folder or file and plays it.

WMA files can have DRM as stated. On a Windows PC the license to play the file is downloaded and stored on the PC BUT nut in the WMA file, and the file will play on that PC in the future.

The CD player in the Civic doesn't have the possibility to go online and fetch a license to play the file.

Fortunately programs like FairUse4WM.exe exists and can remove the DRM from the file as long as you have a license to play the music on ther PC.

TTDegs · 30th January 2007, 23:41

fab - cheers both, I think I understand that now!

cor blimey, wait till I tell my teenage daughter I know what DRM is

Kremmen · 31st January 2007, 06:56

Quote:

Kremmen - I suppose that your first and second points above might explain why it's the last couple of tracks that it isn't picking up properly. Interesting. I didn't know that about car CD players.

This is one area that I have loads of personal experience in

29th January 2007, 07:28	#1 (permalink)
Diggers Valve Cap Join Date: 9th January 2007 Location: West Yorks Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Weird glitch playing MP3 CDs/CDR discs I recently put some tracks onto recordable CDs from the music library on my computer. Some were MP3s downloaded from the net and some were from CDs that I own which I'd ripped to put on my MP3 player. All of these discs were pretty full with music (about 18-20) tracks on each disc. However, when playing them in my car (Civ Type-S) they seem to get about half way through, then either completely fail (and a "disc error") message appears or they play in a very broken and distorted way. Is this because the car CD player can't read the full disc properly? Should I be using a particular type of disc? Any thoughts on this one?

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	re WMA / DRM fab - cheers both, I think I understand that now! cor blimey, wait till I tell my teenage daughter I know what DRM is

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29th January 2007, 07:36	#2 (permalink)
Meino Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 18th October 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 474 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Didn´t have any problems with mine so far, but as far as I know, the brand of the CD´r can make a big difference. So I would suggest to try another brand of CD´r and try again. Next to that I should also try to burn the CD at lower speed...

29th January 2007, 08:00	#3 (permalink)
skam Greek Subtopic Moderator Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 7th October 2006 Location: ATHENS, HELLAS Posts: 811 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts iTrader: (0)	my advice is to burn your normal cd's at lowest speed...but i can't understand the reason of doing it in a mp3 cd... Of course i agree taht the brand of the cd's makes a big difference...so try not to choose no name cd's for your cd player...

29th January 2007, 08:33	#4 (permalink)
Parky Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 4th July 2006 Posts: 327 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	A CD with 20 - 30 MP3's on it would not be full. Are you sure you made an MP3 CD or did you make a music CD? Ian

29th January 2007, 08:55	#5 (permalink)
Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,840 Thanks: 13 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts iTrader: (0)	Normal CD's are .CDA files which as you say are about 20 per CD(R). .MP3 should be burnt as Data CD's and I would expect loads more on the CDR. (Up to 100 ?) As above, burn at the slowest speed possible (1x to 4x) and go for quality makes of CDR. I like Verbs, Imation, TDK, etc. Also try to avoid paper type labels, if they come unstuck at the edges then it can damage the unit and fail to eject them properly. Labels also add to the CDR depth and that can cause problems. A good source of quality CDR's is http://svp.co.uk/products-list.php?cid=68

29th January 2007, 18:50	#6 (permalink)
Diggers Valve Cap Join Date: 9th January 2007 Location: West Yorks Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Thanks guys. I tried a CD that my girlfriend made for me on the way home from work today - it's entirely MP3 or WMA files, about 47 of them in total, and it seemed to play all of them fine except tracks 45 to 47 inclusive. Looking at the underside of the disc, where you can see how much of it has been burnt onto, I'd say about half of it is full. Annoyingly I can't find the blank discs we were using at the moment, but I think they were TDK or some other named brand - not Tesco's own or something. I'll try making a disc with a slower burn rate but a full capacity of tracks (either audio or data/mp3/wma) and see what happens. I'll keep you posted. Cheers.

29th January 2007, 18:59	#7 (permalink)
pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 848 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	A couple of things : Try an original CD, dirt on the lense or misalignment tend to be more of a problem with home blown CDs. Don't mix file types on the same CD. Try the iffy CDs in your computer.

29th January 2007, 19:21	#8 (permalink)
Diggers Valve Cap Join Date: 9th January 2007 Location: West Yorks Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Original CDs seem fine. I wondered if it was something to do with switching between file types though. Good tip.

29th January 2007, 19:43	#9 (permalink)
basegreen Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 15th April 2006 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,896 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	Sounds like youve burned it as audio.

29th January 2007, 19:59	#10 (permalink)
Diggers Valve Cap Join Date: 9th January 2007 Location: West Yorks Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	So - Just so I get this right:- I should burn MP3 files (or WMA but not both on one disc) onto discs as data files. Do I need a particular TYPE - as opposed to brand - of blank disc? I need to get a decent brand of blank disc. If burning AUDIO (music CD to blank CD) I should burn at the lowest available speed. If burning MP3/data files - does speed of burn make a difference? Sorry if I'm being a bit of dunce at this. My old car's CD player wouldn't play these MP3 discs at all, so it's new territory for me!

29th January 2007, 20:35	#11 (permalink)
Maldax Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 12th June 2006 Location: Reading, Berks Posts: 1,050 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	If you use Music software to burn your CD it will no doubt burn it as an Audio CD and not MP3. With MP3 you just need to copy your files from your PC in the same format with folders etc. I can get about 10 Albums on an MP3 CD

29th January 2007, 23:49	#12 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	I've had a mix of WMA and MP3s on the same CD with no problem Whenever burning anything to CD or DVD that I'm going to use more than once or twice, I always go for slow speed. For the sake of the extra 10 mins or so to burn, vs having to reburn another one in the future... BUT quoting from the manual: In a disc compressed in WMA standard, the DRM (Digital Rights Management) file cannot be played. If the system finds the DRM file in a disc, you will see "CD FORMAT" in the display for a few seconds. The system searches for the next folder or file and plays it. Now - I have absol-blinking-loutely NO idea what that means It just rang a bell when you said it wouldn't play the last 3 WMA files, and thought it might be related

30th January 2007, 00:01	#13 (permalink)
Diggers Valve Cap Join Date: 9th January 2007 Location: West Yorks Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Thanks guys. Just made a disc of about 100 songs as .wma files. It's all the songs that I burnt as audio files onto about 5 normal CDs a couple of weeks ago. Will persevere and let you know!

30th January 2007, 07:03	#14 (permalink)
Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,840 Thanks: 13 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts iTrader: (0)	A few of points worth noting. A car CD player is not like a home unit. The laser head is slightly further away from the CD as it has a built in tolerance for shock protection. The same thing applies to CD Walkman's. That gives car units a disadvantage. Point 2 is that CDR's in general are only about 70% as refelective as pressed CD's = disadvantage No 2. A third thing to watch this time of year is a CD brought from a warm house to a cold car. The CD can mist until the CD player warms up. A: = Yes - burn .MP3 files as 'data' otherwise your burning application will convert them to .CDA and you will typically only get about 20 per CD. Always ensure that the CDR's are 'finalized' which ensures more compatilbilty with standalone players.

30th January 2007, 07:33	#15 (permalink)
Diggers Valve Cap Join Date: 9th January 2007 Location: West Yorks Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Kremmen - I suppose that your first and second points above might explain why it's the last couple of tracks that it isn't picking up properly. Interesting. I didn't know that about car CD players.

30th January 2007, 20:49	#17 (permalink)
Diggers Valve Cap Join Date: 9th January 2007 Location: West Yorks Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Well, the WMA CD I made with about 100 tracks on it seems to be working alright. Very pleased with it in fact. Another neat feature of the Civ, this track listing thing, isn't it?