At Last At Last Diesel Auto is coming (Maybe!).

Biker1 · 8th December 2007, 13:34

We've just driven Honda's new iDTEC diesel engine installed in the current Accord. This will go on sale as the range-topping diesel unit in the all-new Accord due next summer.
It's still a 2.2-litre, but heavily modified, with improved combustion and a particulate filter. And this time round there will be two states of tune: the lower-powered one promises around 155bhp and will also have the option of an auto 'box for the first time. The meatier engine is likely to be a manual-only at launch, and you'll get 180bhp to play with.
Both engines are promising more refinement and more punch than the current 140bhp motor, although an insider admitted that they are unlikely to serve up extra economy and lower emissions as the new Accord is lardier than the current one.
On the move the new diesel feels like a sophisticated device. Less noise filters into the cabin
than with the current diesel engine, and it settles down to become an extremely quiet cruiser, especially the lower-powered car.
Both engines felt usefully punchier too, even with the smooth-shifting auto fitted; that's likely to be tempered a little by the new Accord's extra weight.
Either way it's further proof that despite a late start Honda is really getting to grips with diesel. Our quick test track drive proved that its capable of matching BMW, Audi and Merc for performance and refinement.
If the next year's Accord is as good as its diesel engine, it's likely to be some car.

Specifications

Price: £18,000(est)
0-60mph: 9.0 sec
Top Speed: 130mph
Combined MPG: 51.0
CO2: 145 g/km
Power: 180bhp at 4000rpm
Torque: 320 lb ft at 2000rpm

Source autocar.co.uk

Kremmen · 9th December 2007, 07:01

Bring it on

I would definately go for one.

If Citroen can do a 2.2 HDI diesel auto in the C5 then I'm sure Honda can do it.

Brodick · 9th December 2007, 18:03

Yes it does seem to be coming in the Accord
I am just crossing everything that Honda will also tweak it
and pop it in the Civic and CR-V

Kremmen you need to bare in mind that the french have been building
diesel engines for donkeys years and what they don't know about diesels
isn't worth knowing anyway

We all know Honda are still learning about diesels - but they seem to be fast learners ( the French & Germans should be shaking in their boots)

Kremmen · 10th December 2007, 07:07

It's not the diesel I'm supporting but the link to an autobox. You need to remember that the extra torque can rip a normal autobox to bits. Was it not the French about 5 or 6 years ago that developed the common rail system ?

All that extra MPG plus extra torque plus not having to continually pump your left leg whilst stick fiddling - lovely

robbo51 · 10th December 2007, 07:30

I welcome this move. ALL models of cars should have this option, a FULL auto box, given the amount of traffic we have to creep through in towns and cities.
IMO, Honda would be very wise to fit an auto box (not the present 'semi' box) to every model, even an option on the Type R!!!

czechplastik · 11th December 2007, 00:33

I'm not interested in the auto part but I am interested in the new engine, especially the 180hp one. Should be great

Type S Bournemouth · 11th December 2007, 01:38

i cant wait for the Auto Accord. Im missing the Auto box of my previous car. Its the one thing the Civic is missing.

Cedric94 · 14th May 2008, 12:39

Clearly yes, auto box is the one thing missing !
That's one of the reasons why I can't make the decision to sell my old 95' Auto Accord to by the I-shift Civic

Brodick · 14th May 2008, 13:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cedric94

Clearly yes, auto box is the one thing missing !
That's one of the reasons why I can't make the decision to sell my old 95' Auto Accord to by the I-shift Civic

be very surprised if it makes it into the current generation civic
it is being developed for the all-new accord first of all and even that isn't coming until 2009!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unknownsoldier · 14th May 2008, 15:43

Uh oh, the death toll for the Diesel has been sounded, definately wouldn't buy one now, not if it's got one of those awful DPF things on it, they're just trouble.

Tom

angie4m · 14th May 2008, 15:46

Ford wanted to make a Diesel version of the ST but the 2.2-litre TDCi – the most likely engine choice for a hot diesel model – doesn’t fit under the bonnet of the Focus. I doubt a Diesel Type R will come out

Cedric94 · 22nd May 2008, 18:43

Regarding extra torque and auto box, Volvo has just released a new kind of auto box (don't remember the name) which is in fact composed of 2 boxes and 2 clutchs. Less fuel, high torque without troubles (they did it for theire diesel engines), no delay between gears even in manual mode, ...
Looks great ... on the paper ...

NEEMSTAR · 22nd May 2008, 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cedric94

Regarding extra torque and auto box, Volvo has just released a new kind of auto box (don't remember the name) which is in fact composed of 2 boxes and 2 clutchs. Less fuel, high torque without troubles (they did it for theire diesel engines), no delay between gears even in manual mode, ...
Looks great ... on the paper ...

Volvo debuts Powershift gearbox on C30, S40, V50
this one ?

Cedric94 · 22nd May 2008, 18:57

Yes !
Interesting, isn't it ?

illegalhunter · 22nd May 2008, 19:57

Auto is for yanks

Type S Bournemouth · 22nd May 2008, 20:26

Auto is the best!!!

cb550 · 24th May 2008, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cedric94

Regarding extra torque and auto box, Volvo has just released a new kind of auto box (don't remember the name) which is in fact composed of 2 boxes and 2 clutchs. Less fuel, high torque without troubles (they did it for theire diesel engines), no delay between gears even in manual mode, ...
Looks great ... on the paper ...

Honda are currently developing a 2 clutch system for their bikes.It will have auto,but I think its more to do with quicker changes minimising power dips when changing manually(handlebar switches)

When eventually Honda bring out a higher powered diesel S,I don't think that will be enough to sway me to change.Put in an auto or 2 clutch system,then you could be talking.(I too have reservations about the dpf's;had it on my last Alfa and would not have that car again for pennies)

cylon2007 · 24th May 2008, 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cedric94

Regarding extra torque and auto box, Volvo has just released a new kind of auto box (don't remember the name) which is in fact composed of 2 boxes and 2 clutchs. Less fuel, high torque without troubles (they did it for theire diesel engines), no delay between gears even in manual mode, ...
Looks great ... on the paper ...

Just like the DSG box VW/Audi have been using for over 3 years, that it the type of box Honda should be looking at for the Accord/Civic. Has all the benifits of both manual and Auto boxes.

Brodick · 2nd June 2008, 18:07

You need to remember that Honda have only been making diesels for the last few years - I would think they will get around to a similar arrangement as used in VW group cars

Will need to see how good this new volvo box is going to be ( not heard may reports on Ford's box )

and Auto's are not just for the Yanks some of the best cars in the world come with auto boxes

Milano Type S · 2nd June 2008, 18:41

180bhp? Thats not much. From a 2.0 BMW get 177 and if they give it two turbos 204. And it'll do 55mpg in a 520d!

8th December 2007, 13:34	#1 (permalink)
Biker1 John Pease Honda Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 8th August 2006 Location: Braintree Posts: 214 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	At Last At Last Diesel Auto is coming (Maybe!). We've just driven Honda's new iDTEC diesel engine installed in the current Accord. This will go on sale as the range-topping diesel unit in the all-new Accord due next summer. It's still a 2.2-litre, but heavily modified, with improved combustion and a particulate filter. And this time round there will be two states of tune: the lower-powered one promises around 155bhp and will also have the option of an auto 'box for the first time. The meatier engine is likely to be a manual-only at launch, and you'll get 180bhp to play with. Both engines are promising more refinement and more punch than the current 140bhp motor, although an insider admitted that they are unlikely to serve up extra economy and lower emissions as the new Accord is lardier than the current one. On the move the new diesel feels like a sophisticated device. Less noise filters into the cabin than with the current diesel engine, and it settles down to become an extremely quiet cruiser, especially the lower-powered car. Both engines felt usefully punchier too, even with the smooth-shifting auto fitted; that's likely to be tempered a little by the new Accord's extra weight. Either way it's further proof that despite a late start Honda is really getting to grips with diesel. Our quick test track drive proved that its capable of matching BMW, Audi and Merc for performance and refinement. If the next year's Accord is as good as its diesel engine, it's likely to be some car. Specifications Price: £18,000(est) 0-60mph: 9.0 sec Top Speed: 130mph Combined MPG: 51.0 CO2: 145 g/km Power: 180bhp at 4000rpm Torque: 320 lb ft at 2000rpm Source autocar.co.uk

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This thread is about: At Last At Last Diesel Auto is coming (Maybe!)., it's in John Pease Honda at the Honda Civic forum Civinfo; We've just driven Honda's new iDTEC diesel engine installed in the current Accord. This will go on sale as the range-topping diesel unit in the ...

9th December 2007, 07:01	#2 (permalink)
Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,419 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Bring it on I would definately go for one. If Citroen can do a 2.2 HDI diesel auto in the C5 then I'm sure Honda can do it.

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Brodick Perfect Guy! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 2nd December 2006 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 1,657 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Yes it does seem to be coming in the Accord I am just crossing everything that Honda will also tweak it and pop it in the Civic and CR-V Kremmen you need to bare in mind that the french have been building diesel engines for donkeys years and what they don't know about diesels isn't worth knowing anyway We all know Honda are still learning about diesels - but they seem to be fast learners ( the French & Germans should be shaking in their boots)

10th December 2007, 07:07	#4 (permalink)
Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,419 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	It's not the diesel I'm supporting but the link to an autobox. You need to remember that the extra torque can rip a normal autobox to bits. Was it not the French about 5 or 6 years ago that developed the common rail system ? All that extra MPG plus extra torque plus not having to continually pump your left leg whilst stick fiddling - lovely

10th December 2007, 07:30	#5 (permalink)
robbo51 Type S GT Civinfo guru Join Date: 1st July 2007 Location: Bingley, W.Yorks Posts: 2,833 Thanks: 39 Thanked 26 Times in 24 Posts	I welcome this move. ALL models of cars should have this option, a FULL auto box, given the amount of traffic we have to creep through in towns and cities. IMO, Honda would be very wise to fit an auto box (not the present 'semi' box) to every model, even an option on the Type R!!!

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czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,499 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm not interested in the auto part but I am interested in the new engine, especially the 180hp one. Should be great

11th December 2007, 01:38	#7 (permalink)
Type S Bournemouth Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 3rd October 2006 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 963 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i cant wait for the Auto Accord. Im missing the Auto box of my previous car. Its the one thing the Civic is missing.

14th May 2008, 12:39	#8 (permalink)
Cedric94 Valve Cap Join Date: 28th January 2008 Location: Paris, France Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Clearly yes, auto box is the one thing missing ! That's one of the reasons why I can't make the decision to sell my old 95' Auto Accord to by the I-shift Civic

14th May 2008, 15:43	#10 (permalink)
Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,275 Thanks: 40 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts	Uh oh, the death toll for the Diesel has been sounded, definately wouldn't buy one now, not if it's got one of those awful DPF things on it, they're just trouble. Tom

14th May 2008, 15:46	#11 (permalink)
angie4m Why Do I bother? Civinfo guru Join Date: 28th September 2007 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,499 Thanks: 10 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts	Ford wanted to make a Diesel version of the ST but the 2.2-litre TDCi – the most likely engine choice for a hot diesel model – doesn’t fit under the bonnet of the Focus. I doubt a Diesel Type R will come out

22nd May 2008, 18:43	#12 (permalink)
Cedric94 Valve Cap Join Date: 28th January 2008 Location: Paris, France Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Regarding extra torque and auto box, Volvo has just released a new kind of auto box (don't remember the name) which is in fact composed of 2 boxes and 2 clutchs. Less fuel, high torque without troubles (they did it for theire diesel engines), no delay between gears even in manual mode, ... Looks great ... on the paper ...

22nd May 2008, 18:57	#14 (permalink)
Cedric94 Valve Cap Join Date: 28th January 2008 Location: Paris, France Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes ! Interesting, isn't it ?

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illegalhunter Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: In the woods armed to the teeth Posts: 2,129 Thanks: 2 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts	Auto is for yanks

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Type S Bournemouth Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 3rd October 2006 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 963 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Auto is the best!!!

2nd June 2008, 18:07	#19 (permalink)
Brodick Perfect Guy! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 2nd December 2006 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 1,657 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	You need to remember that Honda have only been making diesels for the last few years - I would think they will get around to a similar arrangement as used in VW group cars Will need to see how good this new volvo box is going to be ( not heard may reports on Ford's box ) and Auto's are not just for the Yanks some of the best cars in the world come with auto boxes

2nd June 2008, 18:41	#20 (permalink)
Milano Type S Valve Cap Join Date: 14th February 2008 Location: Yarm-on-Tees Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	180bhp? Thats not much. From a 2.0 BMW get 177 and if they give it two turbos 204. And it'll do 55mpg in a 520d!