Brake Rear Indicator Lights - Page 3

allan40alt · 5th October 2006, 10:01

I've just had the rear assembly off (again!) to see if the lens comes apart so that the larger diameter LED could be fitted with the socket 'in-situ'. The three small screws though seem to just hold the reflector in position.

I've e-mailed Autobulbs and advised them that the LED upgrade needs to be 20mm max o/all diameter. I've also done a Google search for LED's and they all appear too large.

Ps: I've also contacted Powerbulbs with the same question but also asking about replacing with the Philips Silver Vision PSVWY21W Amber bulb for a more intense Amber with no loss in brightness.

richierich · 5th October 2006, 12:29

I'm worried about Allan, he seems to be getting obsessed with this light thing.

allan40alt · 5th October 2006, 12:53

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Originally Posted by richierich

I'm worried about Allan, he seems to be getting obsessed with this light thing.

What ever gave you that idea

Ps: not half as worried as Autobulbs and Powerbulbs; bet they will be glad to see the back of me.......when I indicate....as will everyone whose behind! I should have been a lighthouse keeper...hmm; I wonder if they do an LED equivalent for......?

Glass Spider · 5th October 2006, 17:23

when a4a indicates people will think its solar flares emitting form the sun

allan40alt · 5th October 2006, 20:02

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Originally Posted by Glass Spider

when a4a indicates people will think its solar flares emitting form the sun

..flares...hadn't thought about them...but it's an idea

allan40alt · 5th October 2006, 20:26

Just had a reply from Autobulbs direct. They say the ABD 7440 21W 9LED Amber are smaller in diameter and will fit fine, as will the Philips Silver Vision WY21W Amber.

Now, it's going to be a bit cheeky of me to order another set of bulbs to test, so bearing in mind both types will fit, who's going to try what

NB: The LED's are not cheap! Total cost with resistors is around £25. The WY21W Amber are NOT led and work out at £15-45 per pair. Al.

TTDegs · 5th October 2006, 21:57

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Originally Posted by allan40alt

Now, it's going to be a bit cheeky of me to order another set of bulbs to test, so bearing in mind both types will fit, who's going to try what

I'll give the LEDs a go

allan40alt · 5th October 2006, 22:20

...and as an aside; I'll try the 501 LED Super Bright White in the interior map light position.

Al.

allan40alt · 10th October 2006, 11:44

Re: 501 LED Super Bright White. I have now tested these in both the front map lights and the front side (position) lights and they are perfect if you want a pure white light. I have the white LED festoon in my rear interior centre light but I was disappointed with the 'yellow/cream' look to the front map lights, even though I had changed these previously to the 'blue' coloured bulbs (the 'free gift' LED bulbs from Autobulbs Direct are NOT powerful enough for the map lights). These 501 LED Super Bright White, however, are powerful enough and are a perfect match for the centre light I have and are pure white.

I currently have the 'free gift' LED's in the side lights but I have tested these 501 LED SBW's and they are much brighter and do not have any 'blue' tinge to them when viewed at an angle. So I've now had to spend some more money and ordered another pair of the SBW's. (cost £15-99 incl P&P + a free gift of your choice from http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk ).

generationgav · 10th October 2006, 12:19

I don't know what to buy now!

richierich · 10th October 2006, 12:45

Allan, can we send you a cheque and you could order for us?

allan40alt · 10th October 2006, 12:46

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Originally Posted by generationgav

I don't know what to buy now!

gg, I see you have the blue interior lights, so you probably have the blue festoon LED in the rear. The front map lights have to be these 501 LED SBW. They're; I've just spent £15.99 of your money (oh; and a set for the side lights, that's, erm, £31.98 but they should outlast the life of the car!).

generationgav · 10th October 2006, 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by allan40alt

gg, I see you have the blue interior lights, so you probably have the blue festoon LED in the rear. The front map lights have to be these 501 LED SBW. They're; I've just spent £15.99 of your money (oh; and a set for the side lights, that's, erm, £31.98 but they should outlast the life of the car!).

Plus a pair of H1's and a pair of H7's for the mail and dipped beam.
Plus free gifts which I don't think I'll then use.
Is the LED's seriously better in sidelights? I wouldn't have expected them to be

allan40alt · 10th October 2006, 14:22

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Originally Posted by generationgav

Is the LED's seriously better in sidelights? I wouldn't have expected them to be

Well, if you want a pure bright white light, then yes. Otherwise order the replacement mainbeam bulbs and make do with a pair of the 501 LED that you can specify as a free gift. They are much better than the standard or the blue coated sidelight bulbs, but not as good as the 501 LED Super Bright White.

allan40alt · 13th October 2006, 09:55

For anyone who wants to see the difference these 501 LED Super Bright White make to the position (side) lights then follow this link:

http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/pro...cat=612&page=1

allan40alt · 17th October 2006, 11:31

Now, back to the rear indicators visibility.

I have spoken to Philips Automotive Lighting and to both Autobulbs and Powerbulbs.

They all confirm previous comments on this thread that you get a more intense light by placing an Amber bulb behind an Amber lens.

Honda CS and Powerbulbs have advised against using LED's. John Conboy (MD of Power Bulbs Ltd) went on to say that the WY21W will help the situation.

With all the comments in mind I am opting for the WY21W Philips Silver Vision Amber wedge bulb as this is a direct replacement and does not require any modification to the fitting.

These are available from both Autobulbs (£15.45 pair +free P&P+free gift of choice) and Powerbulbs (£13.45 pair +free P&P+free W5W blue bulbs).

http://www.powerbulbs.com

http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk

allan40alt · 19th October 2006, 15:25

I'm pleased to report that the new bulbs have been fitted (only took me 5 mins total) and the turn indicators are now a deeper colour amber with the same brightness. I liken the colour of the new bulbs installed to be an orange/amber whereas previously they were a yellow/amber. There does not appear to be any loss of brightness to the naked eye.

This deeper colour amber should compensate for the glare of the sun on the clear outer lens and make the turn signal more visible to following traffic.

Replacement bulb is the WY21W Philips Silver Vision Amber wedge bulb.

allan40alt · 24th October 2006, 12:52

The sun is shining brightly today so I parked my car rear end towards it with the hazard flashers on and they were clearly visible from behind at all angles. I parked on a slope and walked back down to view from a lower angle at a distance and they were fine.

These replacements appear to have done the trick.

CIVHEAD · 29th June 2007, 13:04

http://frickinbrite.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=28_115

I wonder if these would be any good for the brake/side lights & the rear indicators?

allan40alt · 29th June 2007, 15:09

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Originally Posted by CIVHEAD

http://frickinbrite.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=28_115

I wonder if these would be any good for the brake/side lights & the rear indicators?

They look slim enough to fit the aperture. Should work ok. Are you going to try?

5th October 2006, 10:01	#41 (permalink)
allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,145 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 27 Posts	I've just had the rear assembly off (again!) to see if the lens comes apart so that the larger diameter LED could be fitted with the socket 'in-situ'. The three small screws though seem to just hold the reflector in position. I've e-mailed Autobulbs and advised them that the LED upgrade needs to be 20mm max o/all diameter. I've also done a Google search for LED's and they all appear too large. Ps: I've also contacted Powerbulbs with the same question but also asking about replacing with the Philips Silver Vision PSVWY21W Amber bulb for a more intense Amber with no loss in brightness. Last edited by allan40alt; 5th October 2006 at 10:46. Reason: added Ps:

5th October 2006, 20:26	#46 (permalink)
allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,145 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 27 Posts	Just had a reply from Autobulbs direct. They say the ABD 7440 21W 9LED Amber are smaller in diameter and will fit fine, as will the Philips Silver Vision WY21W Amber. Now, it's going to be a bit cheeky of me to order another set of bulbs to test, so bearing in mind both types will fit, who's going to try what NB: The LED's are not cheap! Total cost with resistors is around £25. The WY21W Amber are NOT led and work out at £15-45 per pair. Al. Last edited by allan40alt; 5th October 2006 at 21:53. Reason: Added NB.

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5th October 2006, 12:29	#42 (permalink)
richierich Smell My Cheese! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 17th May 2006 Location: Bicester, Oxfordshire Posts: 1,844 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm worried about Allan, he seems to be getting obsessed with this light thing.

5th October 2006, 17:23	#44 (permalink)
Glass Spider Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 15th June 2006 Location: London Posts: 305 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	when a4a indicates people will think its solar flares emitting form the sun

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allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,145 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 27 Posts	...and as an aside; I'll try the 501 LED Super Bright White in the interior map light position. Al.

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allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,145 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 27 Posts	Re: 501 LED Super Bright White. I have now tested these in both the front map lights and the front side (position) lights and they are perfect if you want a pure white light. I have the white LED festoon in my rear interior centre light but I was disappointed with the 'yellow/cream' look to the front map lights, even though I had changed these previously to the 'blue' coloured bulbs (the 'free gift' LED bulbs from Autobulbs Direct are NOT powerful enough for the map lights). These 501 LED Super Bright White, however, are powerful enough and are a perfect match for the centre light I have and are pure white. I currently have the 'free gift' LED's in the side lights but I have tested these 501 LED SBW's and they are much brighter and do not have any 'blue' tinge to them when viewed at an angle. So I've now had to spend some more money and ordered another pair of the SBW's. (cost £15-99 incl P&P + a free gift of your choice from http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk ).

10th October 2006, 12:19	#50 (permalink)
generationgav Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 29th May 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 803 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I don't know what to buy now!

10th October 2006, 12:45	#51 (permalink)
richierich Smell My Cheese! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 17th May 2006 Location: Bicester, Oxfordshire Posts: 1,844 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Allan, can we send you a cheque and you could order for us?

13th October 2006, 09:55	#55 (permalink)
allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,145 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 27 Posts	For anyone who wants to see the difference these 501 LED Super Bright White make to the position (side) lights then follow this link: http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/pro...cat=612&page=1

17th October 2006, 11:31	#56 (permalink)
allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,145 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 27 Posts	Now, back to the rear indicators visibility. I have spoken to Philips Automotive Lighting and to both Autobulbs and Powerbulbs. They all confirm previous comments on this thread that you get a more intense light by placing an Amber bulb behind an Amber lens. Honda CS and Powerbulbs have advised against using LED's. John Conboy (MD of Power Bulbs Ltd) went on to say that the WY21W will help the situation. With all the comments in mind I am opting for the WY21W Philips Silver Vision Amber wedge bulb as this is a direct replacement and does not require any modification to the fitting. These are available from both Autobulbs (£15.45 pair +free P&P+free gift of choice) and Powerbulbs (£13.45 pair +free P&P+free W5W blue bulbs). http://www.powerbulbs.com http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk

19th October 2006, 15:25	#57 (permalink)
allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,145 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 27 Posts	I'm pleased to report that the new bulbs have been fitted (only took me 5 mins total) and the turn indicators are now a deeper colour amber with the same brightness. I liken the colour of the new bulbs installed to be an orange/amber whereas previously they were a yellow/amber. There does not appear to be any loss of brightness to the naked eye. This deeper colour amber should compensate for the glare of the sun on the clear outer lens and make the turn signal more visible to following traffic. Replacement bulb is the WY21W Philips Silver Vision Amber wedge bulb.

24th October 2006, 12:52	#58 (permalink)
allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,145 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 27 Posts	The sun is shining brightly today so I parked my car rear end towards it with the hazard flashers on and they were clearly visible from behind at all angles. I parked on a slope and walked back down to view from a lower angle at a distance and they were fine. These replacements appear to have done the trick.

29th June 2007, 13:04	#59 (permalink)
CIVHEAD Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 1st September 2006 Location: Thatcham Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	http://frickinbrite.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=28_115 I wonder if these would be any good for the brake/side lights & the rear indicators?