HID No Xenon option

civicg · 3rd May 2008, 22:57

Anyone know why Honda dont provide a Xenon option for the civic?

HIDs from what ive seen are nowhere near the Xenons.

Vet_2010 · 4th May 2008, 01:37

HID and Xenon are the same thing, Xenon is the gas in the HID lights.
Admitedly the Honda HIDs/Xenons aren't as good as the bi-xenon/HID on BMW/Audi but they're still miles better than standard Halogens!

Kremmen · 4th May 2008, 06:35

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but they're still miles better than standard Halogens

I have to agree with that, a bright white light instead of halogen yellow.

civicfan · 4th May 2008, 07:00

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Originally Posted by Vet_2010

HID and Xenon are the same thing, Xenon is the gas in the HID lights.
Admitedly the Honda HIDs/Xenons aren't as good as the bi-xenon/HID on BMW/Audi but they're still miles better than standard Halogens!

A "slight" difference can also be seen in cost, HID "bulb" replacement in the Civic somewhere between 60 and 100 euros (depending if Honda or aftermarket) and on a BMW or Merc at least three times as much

robbo51 · 4th May 2008, 07:23

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Originally Posted by civicfan

A "slight" difference can also be seen in cost, HID "bulb" replacement in the Civic somewhere between 60 and 100 euros (depending if Honda or aftermarket) and on a BMW or Merc at least three times as much

But they seldom need replacing

FWH · 4th May 2008, 08:01

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Originally Posted by Vet_2010

HID and Xenon are the same thing, Xenon is the gas in the HID lights.
Admitedly the Honda HIDs/Xenons aren't as good as the bi-xenon/HID on BMW/Audi but they're still miles better than standard Halogens!

Exactly.
See also Lights - Civinfo Wiki.

civicg · 4th May 2008, 13:35

Ah got it,

I was comparinig them to the AUDI/BMW type which do look quality.

Nick7 · 7th May 2008, 14:15

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Originally Posted by civicfan

A "slight" difference can also be seen in cost, HID "bulb" replacement in the Civic somewhere between 60 and 100 euros (depending if Honda or aftermarket) and on a BMW or Merc at least three times as much

However, you are wrong

Main difference though is we do not have projectors, and if you did have, depending on quality of projectors depends quality of beam (light).

Other than that, it's universal: D2S bulbs for projector headlights, and D2R for 'normal' type headlights. They all are 35W bulbs with same intensity.

civicg · 8th May 2008, 21:17

Hope Honda introduce the Bi Xenon projectors then soon! Cant beleive they went for the spaceship futuristic design and then put lights which are yellow!!!!

civicfan · 8th May 2008, 21:33

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Originally Posted by Nick7

However, you are wrong

Main difference though is we do not have projectors, and if you did have, depending on quality of projectors depends quality of beam (light).

Other than that, it's universal: D2S bulbs for projector headlights, and D2R for 'normal' type headlights. They all are 35W bulbs with same intensity.

Perhaps I'm wrong but from this I can't see where?

civicfan · 8th May 2008, 21:36

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Originally Posted by robbo51

But they seldom need replacing

My wife had to get one replaced (along with the whole lamp!) in her Citroen C4. She was lucky to have prolonged warranty, they said it would have cost over 500 euros

3rd Honda · 8th May 2008, 21:49

I'm fortunate enough to have both an EX with HIDs and a BMW with 'projectors'.

They may be similar in type, but in performance, the Honda HIDs are average to mediocre somewhat ragged pattern with a 'hard white' colour or 'temperature' whereas the BMWs are outstanding sharply defined and controlled pattern with a similarly 'hard' colour. Both have washers and self levelling.

I don't know the price difference as neither (Honda 2 years, 18000 miles and BMW 5 years 60000 miles) have failed (yet).

BMW also have a fairly good 'auto on' function against Honda's useless arrangement that has been known to switch on and off like a yo-yo near dusk as I go under trees etc.

Bearing in mind that frequent on/off operation is reputed to shorten the life - I never use Honda's auto function. Another EX feature that is counter productive due to basic poor implementation (as hands free, voice control etc)

These comments apply to 'dipped' only as 'mains' use an additional halogen bulb in both cases.

babyjoe · 11th May 2008, 21:40

I am not proficient enough in English to know the difference.
Dipped = normal beam, mains = far beam (to flash with)?
or is it
dipped= standing lights, mains = normal beam.

Dimplyred · 11th May 2008, 22:25

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Originally Posted by babyjoe

I am not proficient enough in English to know the difference.
Dipped = normal beam, mains = far beam (to flash with)?
or is it
dipped= standing lights, mains = normal beam.

Dipped = normal beam, mains = far beam (to flash with)? Right first time.

TTDegs · 11th May 2008, 22:26

it's not just your English (which is great by the way!) many people confuse which is which...

parking or manouvering lights - the tiny little bulbs that give out hardly any light
dipped - what you use for normal night time driving (HIDs on an EX)
main - the ones you use when on a really dark road with nothing coming the other way (and also to flash with).

TTDegs · 11th May 2008, 22:26

like what DR said slightly quicker than me

Dimplyred · 11th May 2008, 22:30

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Originally Posted by TTDegs

like what DR said slightly quicker than me

More luck than PC skills though TT.

robbo51 · 12th May 2008, 07:16

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Originally Posted by civicfan

My wife had to get one replaced (along with the whole lamp!) in her Citroen C4. She was lucky to have prolonged warranty, they said it would have cost over 500 euros

I was talking about the bulbs, not the whole unit
*cough* and it was Citroen

babyjoe · 12th May 2008, 09:41

Thanks! I think it is a bit strange only to have HID on the dipped beam, and not on the far. In any case, the dealer didn't say anything about only being on the small beam, not so good communication there. Is it still worth it then to buy them, especially when they also seem to be aimed to low?

Cedric94 · 12th May 2008, 17:27

You have HID on dipped beam, because for main beam, mainly for flashing, HID is too slow. Often on "bi-Xenon" main beam is on as soon as dipped is on, and there's something hiding it, until you want to flash.

On the price side, a friend of mine had to change the whole light assembly (front left) on a Laguna (HID+ballast+the whole optic) and each of these 3 parts cost around 350 euros

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4th May 2008, 01:37	#2 (permalink)
Vet_2010 Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 19th December 2007 Location: Northern Ireland / Glasgow Posts: 309 Thanks: 8 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	HID and Xenon are the same thing, Xenon is the gas in the HID lights. Admitedly the Honda HIDs/Xenons aren't as good as the bi-xenon/HID on BMW/Audi but they're still miles better than standard Halogens!

4th May 2008, 13:35	#7 (permalink)
civicg Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd May 2006 Location: Leeds Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ah got it, I was comparinig them to the AUDI/BMW type which do look quality.

8th May 2008, 21:17	#9 (permalink)
civicg Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd May 2006 Location: Leeds Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hope Honda introduce the Bi Xenon projectors then soon! Cant beleive they went for the spaceship futuristic design and then put lights which are yellow!!!!

8th May 2008, 21:49	#12 (permalink)
3rd Honda Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 24th July 2006 Location: Tewkesbury Posts: 338 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm fortunate enough to have both an EX with HIDs and a BMW with 'projectors'. They may be similar in type, but in performance, the Honda HIDs are average to mediocre somewhat ragged pattern with a 'hard white' colour or 'temperature' whereas the BMWs are outstanding sharply defined and controlled pattern with a similarly 'hard' colour. Both have washers and self levelling. I don't know the price difference as neither (Honda 2 years, 18000 miles and BMW 5 years 60000 miles) have failed (yet). BMW also have a fairly good 'auto on' function against Honda's useless arrangement that has been known to switch on and off like a yo-yo near dusk as I go under trees etc. Bearing in mind that frequent on/off operation is reputed to shorten the life - I never use Honda's auto function. Another EX feature that is counter productive due to basic poor implementation (as hands free, voice control etc) These comments apply to 'dipped' only as 'mains' use an additional halogen bulb in both cases.

11th May 2008, 22:26	#15 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	it's not just your English (which is great by the way!) many people confuse which is which... parking or manouvering lights - the tiny little bulbs that give out hardly any light dipped - what you use for normal night time driving (HIDs on an EX) main - the ones you use when on a really dark road with nothing coming the other way (and also to flash with).

11th May 2008, 22:26	#16 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	like what DR said slightly quicker than me

12th May 2008, 09:41	#19 (permalink)
babyjoe Wheelnut Join Date: 1st November 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks! I think it is a bit strange only to have HID on the dipped beam, and not on the far. In any case, the dealer didn't say anything about only being on the small beam, not so good communication there. Is it still worth it then to buy them, especially when they also seem to be aimed to low?

12th May 2008, 17:27	#20 (permalink)
Cedric94 Valve Cap Join Date: 28th January 2008 Location: Paris, France Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You have HID on dipped beam, because for main beam, mainly for flashing, HID is too slow. Often on "bi-Xenon" main beam is on as soon as dipped is on, and there's something hiding it, until you want to flash. On the price side, a friend of mine had to change the whole light assembly (front left) on a Laguna (HID+ballast+the whole optic) and each of these 3 parts cost around 350 euros