HID AfterMarket Xenon/HID Kits?

DanKo · 7th January 2007, 18:32

Hello

Just wondering what's the best kit to buy? I've got my mind on the Mtec H7Fitting HID Kit, I think its 8000K

anyways, any recomendations? I guess its easy as pie to fit on a civic, as there's nothing in the engine bay Lol.

Dan

czechplastik · 7th January 2007, 19:07

From the DFT (Dept. for transport)...

It is not acceptable to convert a head lamp unit approved for use with a halogen filament bulb to use a Xenon (HID) gas discharge bulb. The only acceptable way of converting is to replace the headlight unit with one approved for gas discharge bulbs. Such headlights will be approved to UNECE regulation 98 and 'E' marked. If headlamps approved to UNECE regulation 98 are retro-fitted they must be self levelling (as part of the headlamp system, or via self-levelling suspension), and headlamp washers must be installed. Under the Road Traffic Order 1998, it is an offence to fit or use parts which are not legal (construction and use act).

Basically unless the headlamp unit is fully converted its illegal, will fail and MOT and leave you liable for prosecution. Seems like a very expensive conversion, probably not worth it. Fitting HID bulbs into a headlamp unit intended for halogen bulbs is illegal.

Dawson · 7th January 2007, 19:15

Coming from Xenon lights in my last car, I'm quite disappointed with the standard lights in the Civic. I'm going to try out the Halfords Super Brilliance lights, as reviewed by Autoexpress. Some links:

Bulb test: H4 plus 50 percent
Bulb test: H4 blue

Surely worth a try before splashing out on a HID kit of questionable legality.

DanKo · 7th January 2007, 19:20

WOOOT:O

There's loads of people that's done it ??:S The whole Taxi population in Glocestershire has their's done, along with alot of other new cars?

Dawson · 7th January 2007, 19:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanKo

There's loads of people that's done it ??:S The whole Taxi population in Glocestershire has their's done, along with alot of other new cars?

Lots of people speed, but it doesn't make it legal.

DanKo · 7th January 2007, 19:23

Does that include you:P? haha, jokes.

Hmm, so how much is it for the "Honda" Xenon light kit then(N)!

czechplastik · 7th January 2007, 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawson

Lots of people speed, but it doesn't make it legal.

Exactly!

czechplastik · 7th January 2007, 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanKo

Does that include you:P? haha, jokes.

Hmm, so how much is it for the "Honda" Xenon light kit then(N)!

Going by the rest of their prices.... £1m!

Foggy69 · 7th January 2007, 22:19

I took a H7 HID kit off my old car, so that I could fit it to my Civic.
When I got the Civic, I looked at the design of the headlight and noticed that the bulb is not shielded at all from the front view. Probably not a good idea to fit a bright burning HID bulb to these units.
When I looked at the EX model, which is fitted with HID lamps, the internal design of the headlamp is different, it shields the bulb from view.

If you do want to fit a HID lights, and it did make a difference to my old car, then it might be an idea to fit the headlight units off an EX. It might prevent been flashed all the time by oncoming traffic because you are blinding them.

I agree with Dawson, the lights on the Civic are poor. I am waiting for a dry day to be able to fit some Philips Vision Plus bulbs. Hope that improves things.

CIVHEAD · 8th January 2007, 08:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by czechplastik

From the DFT (Dept. for transport)...

It is not acceptable to convert a head lamp unit approved for use with a halogen filament bulb to use a Xenon (HID) gas discharge bulb. The only acceptable way of converting is to replace the headlight unit with one approved for gas discharge bulbs. Such headlights will be approved to UNECE regulation 98 and 'E' marked. If headlamps approved to UNECE regulation 98 are retro-fitted they must be self levelling (as part of the headlamp system, or via self-levelling suspension), and headlamp washers must be installed. Under the Road Traffic Order 1998, it is an offence to fit or use parts which are not legal (construction and use act).

Basically unless the headlamp unit is fully converted its illegal, will fail and MOT and leave you liable for prosecution. Seems like a very expensive conversion, probably not worth it. Fitting HID bulbs into a headlamp unit intended for halogen bulbs is illegal.

Who's right? http://www.h-i-d.co.uk/index.shtml

LEGALITY NOTES ON ROAD LEGALITY AND QUALITY OF OUR HID :

Both versions of our HID systems are DOT approved, MOT approved and fully E-compliant in all safety, E.M. emmission and performance specifications. As far as we are aware these are the only HID kits on the market that meet all these requirements.
This makes our kits ROAD LEGAL ; there is a lot of misinformation regarding the legality of HID systems fitted to cars without headlamp power wash and rear axle self levelling ...these are only an E.U. legal requirement on Xenon systems fitted to NEW cars AT THE FACTORY PRODUCTION STAGE .
HID systems fitted as aftermarket accessory DO NOT REQUIRE the car to have power wash or self levelling ; even the DOT get this wrong sometimes .... our expensive lawyers did not !

Here you can clerly see the DOT approval on our ballast.

DanKo · 8th January 2007, 17:50

Hey yal

I just got back from collecting my new car, it went in today to get a HID conversion kit fitted, and OMG the out come is the shexx!!! Its H7 fitting, and 6000K brightness, I am stunned on the result, this is the reason why I started the whole topic regarding on fitting some on the civic.

Il get some pics later for you all

Dan

czechplastik · 8th January 2007, 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by CIVHEAD

Here you can clerly see the DOT approval on our ballast.

Thats just 3 letters, could mean anything, no official symbol or indicator it complies with uk legislation.

I'll see you in court!

Nick · 8th January 2007, 18:20

technically they are illegal, but police rarely stop u, because u drive a new car. if it was on an old car, police mite bother to stop u, but if new, they may not tell the difference between standard OEM HID and conversion kits (even though its evident they are much brighter). i personally wouldn't worry about it. with regards to the MOT issue, just take them off! people do that with catalytic converters so why cant u do it with HID kits. foggy69 made a good point bout them being on the civic though.

Dawson · 8th January 2007, 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanKo

I just got back from collecting my new car, it went in today to get a HID conversion kit fitted, and OMG the out come is the shexx!!! Its H7 fitting, and 6000K brightness, I am stunned on the result, this is the reason why I started the whole topic regarding on fitting some on the civic.

How much did these cost, and where did you get them done? I'd be interested in a HID conversion, but it all comes down to legality which is what puts me off.

Pictures would be great, especially of ones at night showing how bright the light is from the inside of the car.

czechplastik · 8th January 2007, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick

technically they are illegal, but police rarely stop u, because u drive a new car. if it was on an old car, police mite bother to stop u, but if new, they may not tell the difference between standard OEM HID and conversion kits (even though its evident they are much brighter).

Being blinded is the giveaway, you'd be surprised how easy it is to spot.

DanKo · 8th January 2007, 19:38

Here you go Playa
This is the MTEC HID 6000K Kit, cost around £230 Fitting cost about £90(N), then they took it through MOT to check the lightning is in the right position etc... and It passed, so I guesed it is legal?

czechplastik · 8th January 2007, 19:40

I was about to ask what the hell you had done to the dash of your civic, then i remembered! Are the lights self-levelling danko?

MC Hammer · 8th January 2007, 19:51

There's is an aritcle about these kits in Auto Express last week (or the week before?), can't find the article to hand.
Basically they are not legal as whether the lamps are Approved or not is not the issue, it's down to the installation.
The HID bulb does not produce light in the same way as a normal bulb and as such gives incorrect lighting when installed in a lamp designed for normal bulbs. This alone will cause an MOT failure, cause you to dazzle other road users and be liable for a fine and points.
DOT marking (if actually attained) is normally applied for US product. For EU I'd expect to see an 'E' and 'e' mark, none of which seems available.
The light produced whilst bright is a lot worse than a standard bulb, so if you want worse lighting at night, a few points on your license and a few pounds lighter for the fine and the kit carry on. (Not for road use springs to mind

).

czechplastik · 8th January 2007, 19:55

MC i quoted the DFT standing near the start of the thread.

MC Hammer · 8th January 2007, 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by czechplastik

MC i quoted the DFT standing near the start of the thread.

I know but some don't listen, I'd love to have an array of KC's to dazzle any oncoming cars with such conversions (not legal either and rather childish

).
Just to prove the point the pics from Danko are quite dazzling.

7th January 2007, 18:32	#1 (permalink)
DanKo Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 7th August 2006 Location: Midlands Posts: 541 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	AfterMarket Xenon/HID Kits? Hello Just wondering what's the best kit to buy? I've got my mind on the Mtec H7Fitting HID Kit, I think its 8000K anyways, any recomendations? I guess its easy as pie to fit on a civic, as there's nothing in the engine bay Lol. Dan

7th January 2007, 19:07	#2 (permalink)
czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,493 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	From the DFT (Dept. for transport)... It is not acceptable to convert a head lamp unit approved for use with a halogen filament bulb to use a Xenon (HID) gas discharge bulb. The only acceptable way of converting is to replace the headlight unit with one approved for gas discharge bulbs. Such headlights will be approved to UNECE regulation 98 and 'E' marked. If headlamps approved to UNECE regulation 98 are retro-fitted they must be self levelling (as part of the headlamp system, or via self-levelling suspension), and headlamp washers must be installed. Under the Road Traffic Order 1998, it is an offence to fit or use parts which are not legal (construction and use act). Basically unless the headlamp unit is fully converted its illegal, will fail and MOT and leave you liable for prosecution. Seems like a very expensive conversion, probably not worth it. Fitting HID bulbs into a headlamp unit intended for halogen bulbs is illegal. Last edited by czechplastik; 7th January 2007 at 19:11.

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7th January 2007, 19:15	#3 (permalink)
Dawson Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 7th December 2006 Location: Turriff Posts: 196 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Coming from Xenon lights in my last car, I'm quite disappointed with the standard lights in the Civic. I'm going to try out the Halfords Super Brilliance lights, as reviewed by Autoexpress. Some links: Bulb test: H4 plus 50 percent Bulb test: H4 blue Surely worth a try before splashing out on a HID kit of questionable legality.

7th January 2007, 19:20	#4 (permalink)
DanKo Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 7th August 2006 Location: Midlands Posts: 541 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	WOOOT:O There's loads of people that's done it ??:S The whole Taxi population in Glocestershire has their's done, along with alot of other new cars?

7th January 2007, 19:23	#6 (permalink)
DanKo Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 7th August 2006 Location: Midlands Posts: 541 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Does that include you:P? haha, jokes. Hmm, so how much is it for the "Honda" Xenon light kit then(N)!

7th January 2007, 22:19	#9 (permalink)
Foggy69 Vivid Blue Rocks!!! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 5th December 2006 Location: Westerham Posts: 1,041 Thanks: 2 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	I took a H7 HID kit off my old car, so that I could fit it to my Civic. When I got the Civic, I looked at the design of the headlight and noticed that the bulb is not shielded at all from the front view. Probably not a good idea to fit a bright burning HID bulb to these units. When I looked at the EX model, which is fitted with HID lamps, the internal design of the headlamp is different, it shields the bulb from view. If you do want to fit a HID lights, and it did make a difference to my old car, then it might be an idea to fit the headlight units off an EX. It might prevent been flashed all the time by oncoming traffic because you are blinding them. I agree with Dawson, the lights on the Civic are poor. I am waiting for a dry day to be able to fit some Philips Vision Plus bulbs. Hope that improves things.

8th January 2007, 17:50	#11 (permalink)
DanKo Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 7th August 2006 Location: Midlands Posts: 541 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hey yal I just got back from collecting my new car, it went in today to get a HID conversion kit fitted, and OMG the out come is the shexx!!! Its H7 fitting, and 6000K brightness, I am stunned on the result, this is the reason why I started the whole topic regarding on fitting some on the civic. Il get some pics later for you all Dan

8th January 2007, 18:20	#13 (permalink)
Nick Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 9th May 2006 Location: London Posts: 230 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	technically they are illegal, but police rarely stop u, because u drive a new car. if it was on an old car, police mite bother to stop u, but if new, they may not tell the difference between standard OEM HID and conversion kits (even though its evident they are much brighter). i personally wouldn't worry about it. with regards to the MOT issue, just take them off! people do that with catalytic converters so why cant u do it with HID kits. foggy69 made a good point bout them being on the civic though.

8th January 2007, 19:38	#16 (permalink)
DanKo Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 7th August 2006 Location: Midlands Posts: 541 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here you go Playa This is the MTEC HID 6000K Kit, cost around £230 Fitting cost about £90(N), then they took it through MOT to check the lightning is in the right position etc... and It passed, so I guesed it is legal?

8th January 2007, 19:40	#17 (permalink)
czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,493 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I was about to ask what the hell you had done to the dash of your civic, then i remembered! Are the lights self-levelling danko?

8th January 2007, 19:51	#18 (permalink)
MC Hammer 5 seats are a must! Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 16th June 2006 Location: UK Posts: 601 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	There's is an aritcle about these kits in Auto Express last week (or the week before?), can't find the article to hand. Basically they are not legal as whether the lamps are Approved or not is not the issue, it's down to the installation. The HID bulb does not produce light in the same way as a normal bulb and as such gives incorrect lighting when installed in a lamp designed for normal bulbs. This alone will cause an MOT failure, cause you to dazzle other road users and be liable for a fine and points. DOT marking (if actually attained) is normally applied for US product. For EU I'd expect to see an 'E' and 'e' mark, none of which seems available. The light produced whilst bright is a lot worse than a standard bulb, so if you want worse lighting at night, a few points on your license and a few pounds lighter for the fine and the kit carry on. (Not for road use springs to mind ).

8th January 2007, 19:55	#19 (permalink)
czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,493 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	MC i quoted the DFT standing near the start of the thread.