auto lights?

[ante00]

My lights work ok and when on auto they are off until night falls and then get on automaticly.....since in my country is a law that they have to be always on....can i do something when i set it to auto and when car is started they go automaticly on and when is off they go off....? What is Daytime running lights (i saw it in manual)?

thx

[FWH]

Daytime Running Lights (DRL) is lights used during the day in countries where the law requires it.

[TTDegs]

If it's law that they should always be on, I think it should have arrived with them set to always be on?

To be honest I lost track on the outcome of that discussion

[FWH]

I´ll let you know how mine works as soon as I get it!
In Sweden it is the law, but that doesnt mean that all cars have automatic solutions for this (although today most do).

Some cars (usually older) need to have the lights switched on and off manually.

[ante00]

Originally Posted by FWH

I´ll let you know how mine works as soon as I get it!
In Sweden it is the law, but that doesnt mean that all cars have automatic solutions for this (although today most do).

Some cars (usually older) need to have the lights switched on and off manually.

thats true....

i saw in manual that there is DRL in fuse box but it isn't used.....(says on some types) and i wonder what would hapen if i get some fuse in it will it work?....because there is DRL light on dashboard (near engine check) and always wondered what it was...

[Forestman]

Originally Posted by FWH

I´ll let you know how mine works as soon as I get it!
In Sweden it is the law, but that doesnt mean that all cars have automatic solutions for this (although today most do).

Some cars (usually older) need to have the lights switched on and off manually.

Hi! My Civics headlights work when the switch is OFF. Auto works as auto, triggered by a light sensor.

[WavyD]

Originally Posted by Forestman

Hi! My Civics headlights work when the switch is OFF. Auto works as auto, triggered by a light sensor.

The easy way to set them to always be on (DRL style), is to set the switch to "AUTO" and then cover up the sensor with a bit of black electrical tape or touch-up paint. In the future, you just remove the tape or scratch off the paint to take it back to original. If the sensor is hidden behind to the rear view mirror or within the dash, you will have to get the tools out first! If for any reason you dont want the lights on, you can just set the switch to "OFF".


EDIT:

As my wife has pointed out. Buy yourself some Black Nail Varnish to do the job with and it will be easier to remove than Paint, by using Acrylic Nail Polish Remover.

[FWH]

Is it the "side lights" or "dipped beam" that are always on?

When do the "side lights" come on?

See thread:
Xenon HID - parking light bulbs don't match

[WavyD]

Originally Posted by FWH

Is it the "side lights" or "dipped beam" that are always on?

When do the "side lights" come on?

See thread:
Xenon HID - parking light bulbs don't match

It will be the dipped beam that comes on. Side lights are not really suitable for driving and should only be used as side markers for parking on street. I think that most cars these days automatically switch from Side lights with engine off, to Dipped beam (Dim-Dip) as soon as the engine is started with the switch in side light setting. Full brightness Dipped Beam is then the next setting on the switch.

[P@tje]

Originally Posted by WavyD

The easy way to set them to always be on (DRL style), is to set the switch to "AUTO" and then cover up the sensor with a bit of black electrical tape or touch-up paint. In the future, you just remove the tape or scratch off the paint to take it back to original. If the sensor is hidden behind to the rear view mirror or within the dash, you will have to get the tools out first! If for any reason you dont want the lights on, you can just set the switch to "OFF".

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Covering the sensor with black tape will work, but does effect the auto setting on wipers. As it is a rain sensor too !!

[FWH]

Originally Posted by WavyD

It will be the dipped beam that comes on. Side lights are not really suitable for driving and should only be used as side markers for parking on street. I think that most cars these days automatically switch from Side lights with engine off, to Dipped beam (Dim-Dip) as soon as the engine is started with the switch in side light setting. Full brightness Dipped Beam is then the next setting on the switch.

Wavy, now I confused...

a) I understood this thread:
Xenon HID - parking light bulbs don't match
to mean that dipped beam and "side lights / parking lights" actually are on at the same time. Is this really the caser or do the "side lights / parking lights" only come on when turning on these lights only.

b) Are you saying that there are:
1. Parking Lights
2. Dim-Dip
3. Full-Dip
4. Un-dipped
???

(BTW shouldnt this be moved to the LIGHTS section?)

[WavyD]

Originally Posted by P@tje

Covering the sensor with black tape will work, but does effect the auto setting on wipers. As it is a rain sensor too !!

You should find that it is actually two different types of sensor within the housing. The one for rain sensing should be some sort of infrared transmitter and receiver pair, that measures the reflected or defracted transmission through the screen. Rain-sensing wiper systems typically deploy a small sensor mounted on the inside surface of the glass. The sensor shines beams of infrared light inside the windshield at about a 45 degree angle. This light bounces off of the outside surface of the windshield, and into an optical detector in the sensor. If water in any form sticks to the outside surface of the windshield, it disturbs the beams. Circuitry connected to the detector picks up the disturbances. Usually, a computer interprets the data to determine what speed setting is right for the windshield wipers, and runs them accordingly.


The light sensor will be a simple Opto-electric Light dependant Resistor (CdS Photocell), which varies its resistance with the volume of recieved light. It should look like one of these below :-

CdS Photo.jpg

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[WavyD]

Originally Posted by FWH

Wavy, now I confused...

a) I understood this thread:
Xenon HID - parking light bulbs don't match
to mean that dipped beam and "side lights / parking lights" actually are on at the same time. Is this really the caser or do the "side lights / parking lights" only come on when turning on these lights only.

b) Are you saying that there are:
1. Parking Lights
2. Dim-Dip
3. Full-Dip
4. Un-dipped
???

(BTW shouldnt this be moved to the LIGHTS section?)

I think it should be moved!

1/Engine OFF -Sidelight Switch ON = Side Light/Parking Light Bulbs ON.
2/Engine ON - Sidelight Switch ON = Side Light Light Bulbs ON + Dipped Beam Bulbs ON (via a Resistor to create Dim-Dip beam with reduced light output).
3/Engine OFF - Dipped Beam Switch ON = Side Light + Dim-Dip beam ON (As No.2 above).
4/Engine ON - Dipped Beam Switch ON = Dipped Beam ON at full strength.
5/Full Beam Headlamp (Flash and Constant, dependant on other light settings).

At least this is UK specification for the vast majority of modern cars (all the ones I have knowledge of). I can't vouch for them all and I don't know about ones with HID units fitted. These may have there own light settings!

[vaitke]

Hello everyone,
Actually seems than fuse no 37 is responsible for day running lights to be on all the time. Mine north european model has 7.5A fuse in 37 place and lights are always on. And AUTO light switch has no visible effect in this case . When fuse is removed, lights are by default off and in AUTO position gets light when photodiode is covered.
So I suppose if someone wants lights to be on all times, simpliest way is not to paint photodiode , but simply put 7.5A fuse in 37 place in cabin fusebox. And you will get nordic variant

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[Bog]

Originally Posted by WavyD

It will be the dipped beam that comes on. Side lights are not really suitable for driving and should only be used as side markers for parking on street. I think that most cars these days automatically switch from Side lights with engine off, to Dipped beam (Dim-Dip) as soon as the engine is started with the switch in side light setting. Full brightness Dipped Beam is then the next setting on the switch.

The Civic does not have dim-dip, nor do most new cars these days. It was a requirement in the late 80's and on many early 90's cars.

Wikipedia -Dim-Dip Lamps (UK Only)

UK regulations briefly required vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1987 to be equipped with a dim-dip device[20] or special running lamps, except such vehicles as comply fully with ECE Regulation 48 regarding installation of lighting equipment. A dim-dip device operates the low beam headlamps (called "dipped beam" in the UK) at between 10% and 20% of normal low-beam intensity. The running lamps permitted as an alternative to dim-dip were required to emit at least 200 candelas straight ahead, and no more than 800 candelas in any direction. In practise, most vehicles were equipped with the dim-dip option rather than the running lamps.
The dim-dip systems were not intended for daytime use as DRLs. Rather, they operated if the engine was running and the driver switched on the parking lamps (called "sidelights" in the UK). Dim-dip was intended to provide a nighttime "town beam" with intensity between that of parking lamps (commonly used by British drivers in city traffic after dark) and dipped/low beams, because the former were considered insufficiently intense to provide improved conspicuity in conditions requiring it, while the latter were considered too glaring for safe use in built-up areas. The UK was the only country to use such dim-dip systems.[21]
In 1988, the European Commission successfully prosecuted the UK government in the European Court of Justice, arguing that the UK requirement for dim-dip was illegal under EC directives prohibiting member states from enacting vehicle lighting requirements not contained in pan-European EC directives. As a result, the UK requirement for dim-dip was quashed. Nevertheless, dim-dip was (and is) still permitted, and while such systems are not presently as common as they once were, dim-dip functionality was fitted on many new cars well into the 1990s.

On the Civic, the sidelights come on if the switch is in the dipped beam position and the ignition is off.

[Vocko]

Originally Posted by vaitke

So I suppose if someone wants lights to be on all times, simpliest way is not to paint photodiode , but simply put 7.5A fuse in 37 place in cabin fusebox. And you will get nordic variant

Unfortunately, this doesn't work. In Slovenia, DRL are required by law, so I tried installing a fuse in 37 place. No effect

[FWH]

Originally Posted by Vocko

Unfortunately, this doesn't work. In Slovenia, DRL are required by law, so I tried installing a fuse in 37 place. No effect

Ask your dealer why Slovenia doesn´t get the same solution as Sweden where DRL is also required by law.

Perhaps he can find the differance and provide an upgrade.
N.B. Perhaps.

[Vocko]

Originally Posted by FWH

Ask your dealer why Slovenia doesn´t get the same solution as Sweden where DRL is also required by law.

Perhaps he can find the differance and provide an upgrade.
N.B. Perhaps.

Will do. I'm going to the garage next week anyway, to replace faulty door handle, so I'll just ask about that then.

Hopefully, they will find a working sollution, which isn't too expensive.

[FWH]

Saw my own post further down.

It works like this on the Swedish car:
Dipped beam always on regardless of setting on light switch.
Off - auto - on , same result.