HID HID from EX on non HID models

MoOriginal · 9th November 2007, 08:50

Correct me if im wrong - but the EX model has HID's ?

If so, is there any reason apart from possibly cost that the HID's for the ex model could be used on non HID models like say a CTR

Mo

apemonkeyman · 9th November 2007, 12:19

Am I correct in thinking that to use HIDs you must (by law?) also have the headlamp washers?

Unknownsoldier · 9th November 2007, 12:30

Only if they are factory fitted, if they are aftermarket I don't believe you have to have them (they [Hella], never said anything when I put them on my 5 series, and it went through 3 MOT's with em' on, examiner even said he liked them, as long as they are angled correctly, most cops/examiners don't seem to care). I'm looking at a conversion as soon as more people wreck their civics

. The auto levellers are usually required more than the washers, but they aren't too difficult to fit, they sit on top of the suspension (shocks).

Heres my five with them on btw:

Tom

Nick7 · 9th November 2007, 13:10

In most European countries there's there's a law that if you have HID's you need to have headlamp washers AND automatic lamp height regulation.

Unknownsoldier · 9th November 2007, 13:55

Only on factory fitted to my knowledge, as said it was not picked at 3 MOTs.

Tom

Sane Sanity · 9th November 2007, 15:03

This is how it is in Holland:

Cars made before juli 2006: You can build in HID without problems
Cars made after 1 juli 2006: You can build in HID if you have washers en automatic correction

Unknownsoldier · 9th November 2007, 15:07

hmm interesting.

Tom

TTDegs · 9th November 2007, 16:07

There is a long thread about this in here somewhere...

Ultimately, I couldn't find anything one way or the other to definitevly state if fitting aftermarket HIDs without washers and levelers was legal, or not.
And just because they are being sold doesn't make them legal

For me though the biggest argument against is the insurance angle.

From new, HIDs have to have washers and levelers to prevent glare for oncoming drivers.

If you fit them without, and end up blinding an oncoing driver, who then crashes into you - will your insuance pay out?
Or more to the point, if the chav driver in the opposite direction takes you out, and then claims it was becuase he was blinded by your HIDs...

MoOriginal · 14th November 2007, 09:52

I read your comments in the other thread Degs with interest - and although id be confident that might not happen - there is always sods law to say that it might - and so agree with you.

Thats why I was wondering if you got the HIDS from Ex model and the system that levels it or washers etc etc then it could be argued that you have a manufacturer kit that has passed the regulations

Of course this is what they do with that EU CTR models that have HID's
Id get one of those kits if I could but im sure they are configured for left hand drive and would just as much of a pain to adjust rather than getting a EX model UK kit and getting them fitted.

TTDegs · 15th November 2007, 17:22

aha! - see where you're coming from now Mo

I guess yes, if you fitted the entire kit from an EX, then you would be sure to be legal

might take some doing to fit it all - but then equally I guess that at least some of the wiring might already be there, unused...

petebrighty · 16th November 2007, 02:28

i went to my local dealer and asked the same question about changing to hid lights from EX they said you need to change the wiring loom and many other bits it could be done but was too expensive to give quote on.
they also said next time i want to buy a new civ ask at time of order and they will fit them in the factory no prob. if only they said that 4 months ago when i got mine

.

HondaRob · 16th November 2007, 10:24

Would it be worth contacting a body shop to see how much a new front end would be, lights, bumper, washers etc...? inc painting and fitting?

Not to forget one of Pottsy's rubber bungs for the dash as the light leveller is no longer required.

Also working on the assumption that the wiring is in place and OK to use (probably the most expensive part in terms of labour)

petebrighty · 16th November 2007, 11:45

how do you mean leveler no longer required?

lights on their own priced at 400 euro a piece here in Ireland hate to think of cost on a new front end maybe better off driving in to a lamppost claim on insurance

!!!!

not that i would recommend it

ukpm · 16th November 2007, 15:57

You're right about the factory fitting them. The dealer I was talking too said "so long as you know who talk to at the factory, you can have more or less any option you want - factory fitted."

My ideal car is probably a 2.2 ES with HID headlights. As it is I'd have to go for the much more expensive EX and fit the glass roof if I wanted it. Sat Nav is not a requirement for me.

TTDegs · 16th November 2007, 22:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukpm

You're right about the factory fitting them. The dealer I was talking too said "so long as you know who talk to at the factory, you can have more or less any option you want - factory fitted."

My ideal car is probably a 2.2 ES with HID headlights. As it is I'd have to go for the much more expensive EX and fit the glass roof if I wanted it. Sat Nav is not a requirement for me.

or the Sport? That gets HIDs

(and no sat nav)

you get HIDs on the EX with or without the glass roof

ukpm · 16th November 2007, 22:23

The point here was that I really have no need at all for the Sat Nav; I mean I'd actually NEVER use it. It would just be nice to have the Auto Lights/Wipers/Mirror, Folding Mirrors, Dual Zone Climate and Glass Roof without the Sat Nav sucking £1500 out of the budget.

Unknownsoldier · 16th November 2007, 23:06

I preferred with my Xenons, keeping my leveller switch to use on motorway journeys. Gave me better distance.

Tom

TTDegs · 17th November 2007, 00:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukpm

The point here was that I really have no need at all for the Sat Nav; I mean I'd actually NEVER use it. It would just be nice to have the Auto Lights/Wipers/Mirror, Folding Mirrors, Dual Zone Climate and Glass Roof without the Sat Nav sucking £1500 out of the budget.

aha - with you

yes, I fully agree

Dave 8o] · 16th January 2008, 13:07

Found this link on another forum. It seems to suggest that even after market HIDs are required the whole headlamp unit should be suitable for HID bulbs, most hallogen units aren't, and once fitted the Head lamp must be self leveling and have headlamp cleaning.

andrew · 19th January 2008, 11:49

in reply to Locking wheelnut HID lights. I understand under EU law cars fitted with these lights must be fitted with automatic self leveling devices to avoid glare to other motorists. In addition they cannot be fitted as main beams.Thereis also additional electrics to deliver a strike voltage inthe order of 20000 volts. Up side bulb life is supposed to be seven times longer than halogen lights Due to thier claimed penetration in the dark they are supposed to make fog lights redundent. Question why do Honda fit both on the Ex model. Yes i know PROFIT.

hOPE THIS HELPS REGARDS ANDREW

9th November 2007, 08:50	#1 (permalink)
MoOriginal Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: London, Perivale Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	HID from EX on non HID models Correct me if im wrong - but the EX model has HID's ? If so, is there any reason apart from possibly cost that the HID's for the ex model could be used on non HID models like say a CTR Mo

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petebrighty Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 1st November 2007 Location: west cork Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	how do you mean leveler no longer required? lights on their own priced at 400 euro a piece here in Ireland hate to think of cost on a new front end maybe better off driving in to a lamppost claim on insurance!!!! not that i would recommend it

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9th November 2007, 12:19	#2 (permalink)
apemonkeyman Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 2nd February 2007 Location: Gloucester Posts: 665 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Am I correct in thinking that to use HIDs you must (by law?) also have the headlamp washers?

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Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,593 Thanks: 62 Thanked 29 Times in 27 Posts iTrader: (0)	Only if they are factory fitted, if they are aftermarket I don't believe you have to have them (they [Hella], never said anything when I put them on my 5 series, and it went through 3 MOT's with em' on, examiner even said he liked them, as long as they are angled correctly, most cops/examiners don't seem to care). I'm looking at a conversion as soon as more people wreck their civics . The auto levellers are usually required more than the washers, but they aren't too difficult to fit, they sit on top of the suspension (shocks). Heres my five with them on btw: Tom

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Nick7 Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 10th August 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 453 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	In most European countries there's there's a law that if you have HID's you need to have headlamp washers AND automatic lamp height regulation.

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Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,593 Thanks: 62 Thanked 29 Times in 27 Posts iTrader: (0)	Only on factory fitted to my knowledge, as said it was not picked at 3 MOTs. Tom

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Sane Sanity Valve Cap Join Date: 9th October 2007 Location: Katwijk Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	This is how it is in Holland: Cars made before juli 2006: You can build in HID without problems Cars made after 1 juli 2006: You can build in HID if you have washers en automatic correction

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Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,593 Thanks: 62 Thanked 29 Times in 27 Posts iTrader: (0)	hmm interesting. Tom

9th November 2007, 16:07	#8 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	There is a long thread about this in here somewhere... Ultimately, I couldn't find anything one way or the other to definitevly state if fitting aftermarket HIDs without washers and levelers was legal, or not. And just because they are being sold doesn't make them legal For me though the biggest argument against is the insurance angle. From new, HIDs have to have washers and levelers to prevent glare for oncoming drivers. If you fit them without, and end up blinding an oncoing driver, who then crashes into you - will your insuance pay out? Or more to the point, if the chav driver in the opposite direction takes you out, and then claims it was becuase he was blinded by your HIDs...

14th November 2007, 09:52	#9 (permalink)
MoOriginal Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: London, Perivale Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I read your comments in the other thread Degs with interest - and although id be confident that might not happen - there is always sods law to say that it might - and so agree with you. Thats why I was wondering if you got the HIDS from Ex model and the system that levels it or washers etc etc then it could be argued that you have a manufacturer kit that has passed the regulations Of course this is what they do with that EU CTR models that have HID's Id get one of those kits if I could but im sure they are configured for left hand drive and would just as much of a pain to adjust rather than getting a EX model UK kit and getting them fitted.

15th November 2007, 17:22	#10 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	aha! - see where you're coming from now Mo I guess yes, if you fitted the entire kit from an EX, then you would be sure to be legal might take some doing to fit it all - but then equally I guess that at least some of the wiring might already be there, unused...

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petebrighty Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 1st November 2007 Location: west cork Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	i went to my local dealer and asked the same question about changing to hid lights from EX they said you need to change the wiring loom and many other bits it could be done but was too expensive to give quote on. they also said next time i want to buy a new civ ask at time of order and they will fit them in the factory no prob. if only they said that 4 months ago when i got mine .

16th November 2007, 10:24	#12 (permalink)
HondaRob Wheelnut Join Date: 4th May 2007 Location: Midlands Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Would it be worth contacting a body shop to see how much a new front end would be, lights, bumper, washers etc...? inc painting and fitting? Not to forget one of Pottsy's rubber bungs for the dash as the light leveller is no longer required. Also working on the assumption that the wiring is in place and OK to use (probably the most expensive part in terms of labour)

16th November 2007, 15:57	#14 (permalink)
ukpm Wheelnut Join Date: 17th April 2007 Location: Holywood, Co. Down Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	You're right about the factory fitting them. The dealer I was talking too said "so long as you know who talk to at the factory, you can have more or less any option you want - factory fitted." My ideal car is probably a 2.2 ES with HID headlights. As it is I'd have to go for the much more expensive EX and fit the glass roof if I wanted it. Sat Nav is not a requirement for me.

16th November 2007, 22:23	#16 (permalink)
ukpm Wheelnut Join Date: 17th April 2007 Location: Holywood, Co. Down Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	The point here was that I really have no need at all for the Sat Nav; I mean I'd actually NEVER use it. It would just be nice to have the Auto Lights/Wipers/Mirror, Folding Mirrors, Dual Zone Climate and Glass Roof without the Sat Nav sucking £1500 out of the budget.

16th November 2007, 23:06	#17 (permalink)
Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,593 Thanks: 62 Thanked 29 Times in 27 Posts iTrader: (0)	I preferred with my Xenons, keeping my leveller switch to use on motorway journeys. Gave me better distance. Tom

16th January 2008, 13:07	#19 (permalink)
Dave 8o] Valve Cap Join Date: 29th December 2007 Location: Leeds Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Found this link on another forum. It seems to suggest that even after market HIDs are required the whole headlamp unit should be suitable for HID bulbs, most hallogen units aren't, and once fitted the Head lamp must be self leveling and have headlamp cleaning.

19th January 2008, 11:49	#20 (permalink)
andrew Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 22nd December 2007 Location: manchester UK Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	in reply to Locking wheelnut HID lights. I understand under EU law cars fitted with these lights must be fitted with automatic self leveling devices to avoid glare to other motorists. In addition they cannot be fitted as main beams.Thereis also additional electrics to deliver a strike voltage inthe order of 20000 volts. Up side bulb life is supposed to be seven times longer than halogen lights Due to thier claimed penetration in the dark they are supposed to make fog lights redundent. Question why do Honda fit both on the Ex model. Yes i know PROFIT. hOPE THIS HELPS REGARDS ANDREW