Mugen Type-r video

[0507448n]

FiveFWD - Fifth Gear Web TV ? Mugen Civic Type R video from Fifth Gear

Like fifth gear or not, this is a pretty good review but the fact are pretty disappointing:

* £40,000, and I thought the Ford rs500 was expensive
* 0-60 in 6 seconds: bmw 135, 370z, scirocco r, normal RS are faster for less.
* that ride is stiffer than ever
* only 20 will ever be made - marketing ploy me thinks !!!


This is poor from honda and mugens !!!!

[Guitaralmond]

on the track its the fastest FWD ever seen, not bad for being 60bhp down on the RS..

Even faster then the R26R in fact..

[0507448n]

Originally Posted by Guitaralmond

on the track its the fastest FWD ever seen, not bad for being 60bhp down on the RS..

Even faster then the R26R in fact..

probably true but the R26R doesn't cost 40K, thats like 16k difference and i dont think its 16k better. Honda and mugens have lost the plot

[Horizon]

A full Race Spec Civic Type R that is Mugen preped costs £189,500, and these cars a built by the same technician's so your getting a bargin really.

[Guitaralmond]

Originally Posted by 0507448n

probably true but the R26R doesn't cost 40K, thats like 16k difference and i dont think its 16k better. Honda and mugens have lost the plot

Not prob, see the Mugen 200 link at the top of the page. The Mugen is definately faster.

I think *respectfully* you have lost the plot for not loving the M20

[0507448n]

Can't love a car priced at 40k when rivals could make a better car for less and far more exciting and desirable.

At 40k, there is a long list of cars that i would rather have.

And why are honda building only 20, to make it desirable???? dont think so.

[Guitaralmond]

To raise the profile of Mugen in the UK, its pretty unheard of in this country. Its an example of the great work they can do, also when future joint projects are announced (the CW Mugen 200 for example) Mugen is establishing themselves as a pucca tuning company in this country (think of Merc AMG or BMW M power division).

Mugen has shown they are great with the M20, now its time to roll out the lower priced smaller styling and performance mods for Hondas to make true enthusiasts happy with "unique" unmatched cars.

Originally Posted by 0507448n

Can't love a car priced at 40k when rivals could make a better car for less and far more exciting and desirable.

At 40k, there is a long list of cars that i would rather have.

And why are honda building only 20, to make it desirable???? dont think so.

[onweed]

Originally Posted by Guitaralmond

Not prob, see the Mugen 200 link at the top of the page. The Mugen is definately faster.

I think *respectfully* you have lost the plot for not loving the M20

I love the M20, i love what mugen have achieved with the K20, keeping it N/A etc...

However I wouldnt pay the price and have to agree that there is a long list of cars I'd rather have for that price.

[Mr JP]

Originally Posted by 0507448n

FiveFWD - Fifth Gear Web TV ? Mugen Civic Type R video from Fifth Gear

Like fifth gear or not, this is a pretty good review but the fact are pretty disappointing:

* £40,000, and I thought the Ford rs500 was expensive
* 0-60 in 6 seconds: bmw 135, 370z, scirocco r, normal RS are faster for less.
* that ride is stiffer than ever
* only 20 will ever be made - marketing ploy me thinks !!!


This is poor from honda and mugens !!!!

RS isn't faster really mate, Ford have a habit of being very economical with the truth, not only will the RS not make 5.9secs to 62mph, but there is some debate as to whether it makes 300BHP at all.

And it certainly won't be quicker round a track than the Mugen.

I agree with the rest though, 135 FTW

[ritchie_perriam]

i thought i would share this with everyone.

i dont like the m20.

i dont like the way it looks
i dont like the price
would buy nearly every other car in the same price bracket

shoot me!

but what is the point in it? only 20 made, so why make any at all! fastest fwd car, buy a rwd car it will probably be faster and nicer to drive!

[fat4y]

still wouldnt say no to it..god damit its expensive lol

[bananas_33]

If i had a spare 40k i would certainly buy it. I think being only 20 made it would make me feel special driving it around and certainly get some looks

I can definitely understand for 40k you can get a much better car and i would feel violated paying 40k for a Honda

[MUGEN]

Some good constructive points on this thread; the intention was indeed to make the announcement that Mugen is now in the UK, and making parts available to the retail market, to raise the profile of Honda UK and Honda UK manufacturing (HUM Swindon) and also the Civic Type R itself.
The brief was to retain the DNA of the original car i.e. FWD, normally aspirated etc, and make a car that was quicker point to point than the original, while as a package generally show what the CTR was capable of with a few tweaks. To do anything more extreme, such as forced induction etc, would not have been relevant to the base car we were showcasing.
It was not necessarily to have the most horsepower, or the quickest 0-60 time (which has never been officially measured by the way, so any times quoted are estimates; it could well be 5.8 or better, I don't know), or even to compete with other cars that may cost more, or less.
We could have simply thrown one of our Formula 1 or Le Mans engines into an NSX or something as a one-off, but that would not have meant anything to the FN2 Civic.
The car has achieved, or bettered, all it's aims; it is currently the fastest FWD car that EVO magazine has tested, every test driver I have spoken to has declared it to be an impressive driving experience, and great "fun" to be in - job done!
It has also stimulated quite a lot of comment (positive and negative) and helped to raise the profile of the Civic Type R.
The fact that we (not Honda) are building 20 of these cars is pretty much down to the force of public/media opinion that suggested we should make some examples available to buy. The target customer is not just someone looking to spend a certain amount on a car, it is someone who usually is already a Honda and/or Mugen afficianado, and wants something a bit exclusive and different from the crowd. It is unlikely that this car will be the daily driver for most of the customers, they probably have other cars such as NSX or S2000, or at least a family car, in their garage (at least 2 of the customers have Bugatti Veyron and Pagani Zonda).
However as exclusive and unobtainable or impractical as the Type R Mugen is to most of us (and I include myself in that), as a spin-off it has made parts available to the rest of the "normal" market. Without a programme such as the Type R Mugen it is difficult to justify the investment in development required to produce these parts.
Look on the 20 cars as a demonstration of what can be done and hopefully anybody who is looking to modify their FN2, even if it just a quick-shifter or front grille or something, now has the opportunity to benefit from the Type R Mugen, without buying the car itself. For those who want a head-start and some exclusivity at a reasonable price Honda has of course made the Mugen 200 available.
Most of this would have been a lot less likely without the original programme with the (Red) concept car, so thank you for all your comments over the past few months - they will help to shape future projects and development.

[Tom's Type R]

Originally Posted by MUGEN

Some good constructive points on this thread; the intention was indeed to make the announcement that Mugen is now in the UK, and making parts available to the retail market, to raise the profile of Honda UK and Honda UK manufacturing (HUM Swindon) and also the Civic Type R itself.
The brief was to retain the DNA of the original car i.e. FWD, normally aspirated etc, and make a car that was quicker point to point than the original, while as a package generally show what the CTR was capable of with a few tweaks. To do anything more extreme, such as forced induction etc, would not have been relevant to the base car we were showcasing.
It was not necessarily to have the most horsepower, or the quickest 0-60 time (which has never been officially measured by the way, so any times quoted are estimates; it could well be 5.8 or better, I don't know), or even to compete with other cars that may cost more, or less.
We could have simply thrown one of our Formula 1 or Le Mans engines into an NSX or something as a one-off, but that would not have meant anything to the FN2 Civic.
The car has achieved, or bettered, all it's aims; it is currently the fastest FWD car that EVO magazine has tested, every test driver I have spoken to has declared it to be an impressive driving experience, and great "fun" to be in - job done!
It has also stimulated quite a lot of comment (positive and negative) and helped to raise the profile of the Civic Type R.
The fact that we (not Honda) are building 20 of these cars is pretty much down to the force of public/media opinion that suggested we should make some examples available to buy. The target customer is not just someone looking to spend a certain amount on a car, it is someone who usually is already a Honda and/or Mugen afficianado, and wants something a bit exclusive and different from the crowd. It is unlikely that this car will be the daily driver for most of the customers, they probably have other cars such as NSX or S2000, or at least a family car, in their garage (at least 2 of the customers have Bugatti Veyron and Pagani Zonda).
However as exclusive and unobtainable or impractical as the Type R Mugen is to most of us (and I include myself in that), as a spin-off it has made parts available to the rest of the "normal" market. Without a programme such as the Type R Mugen it is difficult to justify the investment in development required to produce these parts.
Look on the 20 cars as a demonstration of what can be done and hopefully anybody who is looking to modify their FN2, even if it just a quick-shifter or front grille or something, now has the opportunity to benefit from the Type R Mugen, without buying the car itself. For those who want a head-start and some exclusivity at a reasonable price Honda has of course made the Mugen 200 available.
Most of this would have been a lot less likely without the original programme with the (Red) concept car, so thank you for all your comments over the past few months - they will help to shape future projects and development.

Well said, seemed obvious to me the reasons you created the car. Lets hope it's the start of Mugen in the UK like they have had in Japan for a long time.

[ozzytik]

Originally Posted by MUGEN

Some good constructive points on this thread; the intention was indeed to make the announcement that Mugen is now in the UK, and making parts available to the retail market, to raise the profile of Honda UK and Honda UK manufacturing (HUM Swindon) and also the Civic Type R itself.
The brief was to retain the DNA of the original car i.e. FWD, normally aspirated etc, and make a car that was quicker point to point than the original, while as a package generally show what the CTR was capable of with a few tweaks. To do anything more extreme, such as forced induction etc, would not have been relevant to the base car we were showcasing.
It was not necessarily to have the most horsepower, or the quickest 0-60 time (which has never been officially measured by the way, so any times quoted are estimates; it could well be 5.8 or better, I don't know), or even to compete with other cars that may cost more, or less.
We could have simply thrown one of our Formula 1 or Le Mans engines into an NSX or something as a one-off, but that would not have meant anything to the FN2 Civic.
The car has achieved, or bettered, all it's aims; it is currently the fastest FWD car that EVO magazine has tested, every test driver I have spoken to has declared it to be an impressive driving experience, and great "fun" to be in - job done!
It has also stimulated quite a lot of comment (positive and negative) and helped to raise the profile of the Civic Type R.
The fact that we (not Honda) are building 20 of these cars is pretty much down to the force of public/media opinion that suggested we should make some examples available to buy. The target customer is not just someone looking to spend a certain amount on a car, it is someone who usually is already a Honda and/or Mugen afficianado, and wants something a bit exclusive and different from the crowd. It is unlikely that this car will be the daily driver for most of the customers, they probably have other cars such as NSX or S2000, or at least a family car, in their garage (at least 2 of the customers have Bugatti Veyron and Pagani Zonda).
However as exclusive and unobtainable or impractical as the Type R Mugen is to most of us (and I include myself in that), as a spin-off it has made parts available to the rest of the "normal" market. Without a programme such as the Type R Mugen it is difficult to justify the investment in development required to produce these parts.
Look on the 20 cars as a demonstration of what can be done and hopefully anybody who is looking to modify their FN2, even if it just a quick-shifter or front grille or something, now has the opportunity to benefit from the Type R Mugen, without buying the car itself. For those who want a head-start and some exclusivity at a reasonable price Honda has of course made the Mugen 200 available.
Most of this would have been a lot less likely without the original programme with the (Red) concept car, so thank you for all your comments over the past few months - they will help to shape future projects and development.

agree with every single words

[antmaz]

Colin, Mr Mugen, thank you for that. I couldn't agree more with you and as a Mugen fan for years, I am definitely very happy that I can Buy a share of the Mugen magic on my FN2.