Don't be ripped off

flyboy · 28th January 2007, 21:53

The first thing I did when I found out there was no spare wheel was to reach into my store for Ultrseal - at this point I must declare an interest in the product as I am an agent for them - Having said that I would not go anywhere without it. Punctures are sealed almost before they happen. I had the tyre treatment on my motor home and although I picked up a nail and a screw in my tyre I never had to change a wheel. I have just got back from Spain, so my car has had a good try out, but without the tyre treatment I would have been a very worried man driving on some of the roads I found myself on.
It is not necessary to lose the space a wheel takes up and still have the protection at just over half the cost
I am happy to share information with those who may want it.

czechplastik · 28th January 2007, 22:31

Product plugged....

How much?

flyboy · 29th January 2007, 09:48

Just leaving for work but I will work a discount for the group and post tonight

Kremmen · 29th January 2007, 10:03

I agree that nail and screw punctures can mostly be sealed with the latest compounds.

What could be a problem though is if you accidentally hit something a tad larger that shreds the tyre or damages the wheel. Brick, tree remnants, the exhaust that just dropped off from the car in front.
Whilst in daylight you would easily avoid these, not always so obvious in the dark.

I just feel more covered having the spare.

cfcnick · 29th January 2007, 10:06

Just looked at a website for Ultraseal and it does look very impressive. Please keep us informed of any deals you can do, I would be interested.

flyboy · 29th January 2007, 19:24

Thank you for taking an interest in the product, I took a hard long look at all the products before taking the plunge this without doubt this is the best on the market.
Kremmen is quite right when he says that the unexpected trash in the road can rip a tyre to shreds and even damage the wheel, That's why I have breakdown cover. But for the day to day stuff that catches you out, nails screws glass etc etc then you can feel as safe as you can with a tyre sealant, Ultraseal will block a hole up to a quarter inch bolt size. I think thats about 9mm.
Anyway if you are interested this is what I am prepared to do for this forum only.

The cost to treat a Civic on a DIY bases is normally £75.00 inc p.p.

I will send it to members for £62.00 inc p.p.

If you have any other vehicles i.e. caravan motorcycle trailer on any wheeled object with pneumatic tyres send me the tyre size and I will tell you the cost.

Keep safe, your family are worth it.

czechplastik · 29th January 2007, 23:00

Shameless plug like, bit pricey when you can buy the spare wheel for £20 odd more.

flyboy · 30th January 2007, 10:54

I take exception to the "Shameless plug" comment. I was asked a question and I gave a reply. I declared my interest in my first posting. I did not intend doing a sales pitch, if I had there would have been a lot more content, I just commented on how I deal with the lack of a spare wheel, how you do it is up to you, just don't get more than one flat when you drive over a smashed beer bottle that some mindless moron has thrown in the road. A spare wheel protects one wheel a tyre sealant protects all four!

czechplastik · 30th January 2007, 14:43

Wasn't having a pop like, its just clear you either work for or work on behalf of the product. It is a generous discount though, lets not get off on the wrong foot!

johnd · 30th January 2007, 16:13

How come it's so much, when you can get 4 tin's of trye sealant for £36:00 without any discount?

flyboy · 30th January 2007, 18:28

No problem czechplastik, were still friends. Yes I do have an agency for the product that's why I made an early declaration of interest, wouldn't want people to think I was using the site as a sales tool

Johnd you are right you can get some sealants very cheap, if you want to know why Ultraseal is that bit more please take a look at the following link. It's probably the only product on the market that is made for high speed vehicles that wont give problems. There has been a lot of bad publicity on tyre sealants and it is because of the cheap get rich manufactures that take us, not so knowledgeable, for a ride at our cost.

It's a true saying you only get what you pay for.

http://www.ultraseal.biz/pages/about.htm

Maldax · 3rd February 2007, 09:03

Had a look on tintnernet and looks good but this guy seems to be loads cheaper?!?!

http://www.ultraseal-online.co.uk/services.cfm

basegreen · 3rd February 2007, 09:29

Yes - it doesn't look much like a discount.

I think I am justified in sounding wary at this point, I'm afraid.

flyboy · 3rd February 2007, 13:42

Please do not be fooled by prices you see on the internet, contact them and ask how much it will cost for your tyre size. then make the comparison. I can do a car for £45 but not at the tyre size of the civic. It is an old sales trick, quote your lowest price and when they are interested tell them the cost for there vehicle. I would rather be up front from the start. I am including everything VAT + Carriage ask them for an all in price.

But you are free to shop where you like.

cfcnick · 5th February 2007, 17:06

I have just contacted someone off the internet and they tell me that ultraseal does not recommend installation into low profile tyres eg, a profile of 45 and lower. As my tyre size is 225/45 R 17 it would seem that I can't use Ultraseal, however I notice that you (flyboy) are shown as driving an EX (same model as mine) so wondered if you would clarify the situation.

ta

flyboy · 5th February 2007, 19:18

cfcnick, you are right, we do not put it in low profile tyres ,45 is the lowest profile to put it in, even then I would not put it in an old banger fitted with 45's but in new cars no problem. The reason behind it is that really low profile tyres have a rib in them to give the tyre support, this would stop the fluid from spreading round the tyre and would cause vibration. I have it in my tyres and have been to Spain and back in it with no adverse problems. Hope this helps.

CivPilot · 7th February 2007, 09:43

Be aware of one thing though....

Ultraseal does work very well in quickly sealing punctures, in that respect it does work. However, so good is it in sealing punctures that you might not even know you have one. And as good as the fluid is, it is in no way as good as a fully functional unpunctured tyre.
Talking to a couple of tyre fitters and I've been told that not many will even contemplate repairing a tyre that has been sealed or filled with ultraseal.

Just something to think about when considering.

Ps. Is this thread not an advert by a company?

flyboy · 7th February 2007, 16:56

There seems to be a misconception here. Ultraseal seals for the life of the tyre, there is no need to have your tyre fixed once Ultraseal has done its job. Tyre fitters wouldn't like to try to fix the hole as there no longer is one so they would have a hard job on their hands. You are right with Ultraseal you do not know you have had a puncture as it seals so quick, we would recommend that the tyres are checked once a week to see nothing is sticking in them, if there is you just pull it out and carry on.
No this did not set out as a company advert if you see how the thread started it has just gathered momentum. As a matter of interest I have not sold any product as a result of his thread.

CivPilot · 9th February 2007, 07:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyboy

There seems to be a misconception here. Ultraseal seals for the life of the tyre, there is no need to have your tyre fixed once Ultraseal has done its job. Tyre fitters wouldn't like to try to fix the hole as there no longer is one so they would have a hard job on their hands. You are right with Ultraseal you do not know you have had a puncture as it seals so quick, we would recommend that the tyres are checked once a week to see nothing is sticking in them, if there is you just pull it out and carry on.
No this did not set out as a company advert if you see how the thread started it has just gathered momentum. As a matter of interest I have not sold any product as a result of his thread.

No misconception at all.

Answer me this though... What is stronger, A) a tyre with no punctures, or B) a tyre with a puncture sealed by ultraseal?

The answer is very obviously A**, a tyre sealed and complete as it left the moulds is stronger than a tyre sealed by a third party gel. I'm not saying that ultra seal is not good at its job, not at all, but a complete unpunctured tyre is far stronger.

Now take the question a stage further, what would you rather drive on when pressing on along a nice twisty country road? A) a complete unpunctured tyre? or B) A tyre that might be punctured and re-sealed without your knowledge?

Again the answer for me is clearly A

If ultraseal was as amazing as the company makes out it would be used in far more applications (racing? Rallying? etc)

**If you think an ultrasealed tyre is as strong as original manufacture then I'm afraid you are deluding yourself. The tyre is by definition compromised and the puncture section will form a weak stress point. I have quite a bit of driving experience on road and track and every single expert I have ever trained with has the exact same opinion on Tyreseal and its like. Don't bother.

Ps. As for this post being an advert? Well the very first post was, I'm afraid, very clearly an advert. you go on about how amazing the stuff is whilst pointing out that you sell it = Advert. sorry, it does.
And the very first reply was....

Quote:

Product plugged....

How much?

and your next reply was....

Quote:

Just leaving for work but I will work a discount for the group and post tonight

It is at that is the point that the thread came a comercial interest to yourself. Hence my comment that it should be in a comercial section. IMHO

flyboy · 9th February 2007, 10:24

I will not get into arguments with someone who is obviously against tyre sealants, I will simply refer you to some test reports from the the experts in this field. No doubt you will question even the experts findings.

http://www.ultraseal.biz/pages/testreports.htm#RAPRA

For your information Ultra seal is used in racing, both cars and motorcycles, both on road and off road

http://www.ultraseal.biz/pages/about.htm#eurochamp

but then you will say he is not a real racing driver!

I can give a lot more examples but I feel I would be wasting my time. I did not set off this thread to defend or sell this product but as my way of getting round the lack of a spare wheel. In fact even if I did have a spare - as I do on my other vehicles - I would still have my tyres treated. I would not want my wife or me to have to change a wheel on the side of a motorway on a dark wet night and this is what Ultra seal is for. You have he option to replace the tyre when it has got you home safely or continue to use it for the life of the tyre.

28th January 2007, 21:53	#1 (permalink)
flyboy Valve Cap Join Date: 28th January 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Don't be ripped off The first thing I did when I found out there was no spare wheel was to reach into my store for Ultrseal - at this point I must declare an interest in the product as I am an agent for them - Having said that I would not go anywhere without it. Punctures are sealed almost before they happen. I had the tyre treatment on my motor home and although I picked up a nail and a screw in my tyre I never had to change a wheel. I have just got back from Spain, so my car has had a good try out, but without the tyre treatment I would have been a very worried man driving on some of the roads I found myself on. It is not necessary to lose the space a wheel takes up and still have the protection at just over half the cost I am happy to share information with those who may want it. Last edited by flyboy; 28th January 2007 at 22:08.

29th January 2007, 19:24	#6 (permalink)
flyboy Valve Cap Join Date: 28th January 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ultraseal Thank you for taking an interest in the product, I took a hard long look at all the products before taking the plunge this without doubt this is the best on the market. Kremmen is quite right when he says that the unexpected trash in the road can rip a tyre to shreds and even damage the wheel, That's why I have breakdown cover. But for the day to day stuff that catches you out, nails screws glass etc etc then you can feel as safe as you can with a tyre sealant, Ultraseal will block a hole up to a quarter inch bolt size. I think thats about 9mm. Anyway if you are interested this is what I am prepared to do for this forum only. The cost to treat a Civic on a DIY bases is normally £75.00 inc p.p. I will send it to members for £62.00 inc p.p. If you have any other vehicles i.e. caravan motorcycle trailer on any wheeled object with pneumatic tyres send me the tyre size and I will tell you the cost. Keep safe, your family are worth it.

30th January 2007, 18:28	#11 (permalink)
flyboy Valve Cap Join Date: 28th January 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No problem czechplastik, were still friends. Yes I do have an agency for the product that's why I made an early declaration of interest, wouldn't want people to think I was using the site as a sales tool Johnd you are right you can get some sealants very cheap, if you want to know why Ultraseal is that bit more please take a look at the following link. It's probably the only product on the market that is made for high speed vehicles that wont give problems. There has been a lot of bad publicity on tyre sealants and it is because of the cheap get rich manufactures that take us, not so knowledgeable, for a ride at our cost. It's a true saying you only get what you pay for. http://www.ultraseal.biz/pages/about.htm Last edited by flyboy; 30th January 2007 at 18:31.

9th February 2007, 10:24	#20 (permalink)
flyboy Valve Cap Join Date: 28th January 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I will not get into arguments with someone who is obviously against tyre sealants, I will simply refer you to some test reports from the the experts in this field. No doubt you will question even the experts findings. http://www.ultraseal.biz/pages/testreports.htm#RAPRA For your information Ultra seal is used in racing, both cars and motorcycles, both on road and off road http://www.ultraseal.biz/pages/about.htm#eurochamp but then you will say he is not a real racing driver! I can give a lot more examples but I feel I would be wasting my time. I did not set off this thread to defend or sell this product but as my way of getting round the lack of a spare wheel. In fact even if I did have a spare - as I do on my other vehicles - I would still have my tyres treated. I would not want my wife or me to have to change a wheel on the side of a motorway on a dark wet night and this is what Ultra seal is for. You have he option to replace the tyre when it has got you home safely or continue to use it for the life of the tyre. Last edited by flyboy; 9th February 2007 at 10:26.

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28th January 2007, 22:31	#2 (permalink)
czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,492 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Product plugged.... How much?

29th January 2007, 09:48	#3 (permalink)
flyboy Valve Cap Join Date: 28th January 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just leaving for work but I will work a discount for the group and post tonight

29th January 2007, 10:03	#4 (permalink)
Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,367 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	I agree that nail and screw punctures can mostly be sealed with the latest compounds. What could be a problem though is if you accidentally hit something a tad larger that shreds the tyre or damages the wheel. Brick, tree remnants, the exhaust that just dropped off from the car in front. Whilst in daylight you would easily avoid these, not always so obvious in the dark. I just feel more covered having the spare.

29th January 2007, 10:06	#5 (permalink)
cfcnick Wheelnut Join Date: 4th October 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just looked at a website for Ultraseal and it does look very impressive. Please keep us informed of any deals you can do, I would be interested.

29th January 2007, 23:00	#7 (permalink)
czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,492 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Shameless plug like, bit pricey when you can buy the spare wheel for £20 odd more.

30th January 2007, 10:54	#8 (permalink)
flyboy Valve Cap Join Date: 28th January 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I take exception to the "Shameless plug" comment. I was asked a question and I gave a reply. I declared my interest in my first posting. I did not intend doing a sales pitch, if I had there would have been a lot more content, I just commented on how I deal with the lack of a spare wheel, how you do it is up to you, just don't get more than one flat when you drive over a smashed beer bottle that some mindless moron has thrown in the road. A spare wheel protects one wheel a tyre sealant protects all four!

30th January 2007, 14:43	#9 (permalink)
czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,492 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wasn't having a pop like, its just clear you either work for or work on behalf of the product. It is a generous discount though, lets not get off on the wrong foot!

30th January 2007, 16:13	#10 (permalink)
johnd Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 27th June 2006 Location: Bath Posts: 139 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	How come it's so much, when you can get 4 tin's of trye sealant for £36:00 without any discount?

3rd February 2007, 09:03	#12 (permalink)
Maldax Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 12th June 2006 Location: Reading, Berks Posts: 1,046 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Had a look on tintnernet and looks good but this guy seems to be loads cheaper?!?! http://www.ultraseal-online.co.uk/services.cfm

3rd February 2007, 09:29	#13 (permalink)
basegreen Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 15th April 2006 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,864 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Yes - it doesn't look much like a discount. I think I am justified in sounding wary at this point, I'm afraid.

3rd February 2007, 13:42	#14 (permalink)
flyboy Valve Cap Join Date: 28th January 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Please do not be fooled by prices you see on the internet, contact them and ask how much it will cost for your tyre size. then make the comparison. I can do a car for £45 but not at the tyre size of the civic. It is an old sales trick, quote your lowest price and when they are interested tell them the cost for there vehicle. I would rather be up front from the start. I am including everything VAT + Carriage ask them for an all in price. But you are free to shop where you like.

5th February 2007, 17:06	#15 (permalink)
cfcnick Wheelnut Join Date: 4th October 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have just contacted someone off the internet and they tell me that ultraseal does not recommend installation into low profile tyres eg, a profile of 45 and lower. As my tyre size is 225/45 R 17 it would seem that I can't use Ultraseal, however I notice that you (flyboy) are shown as driving an EX (same model as mine) so wondered if you would clarify the situation. ta

5th February 2007, 19:18	#16 (permalink)
flyboy Valve Cap Join Date: 28th January 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	cfcnick, you are right, we do not put it in low profile tyres ,45 is the lowest profile to put it in, even then I would not put it in an old banger fitted with 45's but in new cars no problem. The reason behind it is that really low profile tyres have a rib in them to give the tyre support, this would stop the fluid from spreading round the tyre and would cause vibration. I have it in my tyres and have been to Spain and back in it with no adverse problems. Hope this helps.

7th February 2007, 09:43	#17 (permalink)
CivPilot 您看了 Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 1st May 2006 Location: Surrey/Hants Posts: 441 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Be aware of one thing though.... Ultraseal does work very well in quickly sealing punctures, in that respect it does work. However, so good is it in sealing punctures that you might not even know you have one. And as good as the fluid is, it is in no way as good as a fully functional unpunctured tyre. Talking to a couple of tyre fitters and I've been told that not many will even contemplate repairing a tyre that has been sealed or filled with ultraseal. Just something to think about when considering. Ps. Is this thread not an advert by a company?

7th February 2007, 16:56	#18 (permalink)
flyboy Valve Cap Join Date: 28th January 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	There seems to be a misconception here. Ultraseal seals for the life of the tyre, there is no need to have your tyre fixed once Ultraseal has done its job. Tyre fitters wouldn't like to try to fix the hole as there no longer is one so they would have a hard job on their hands. You are right with Ultraseal you do not know you have had a puncture as it seals so quick, we would recommend that the tyres are checked once a week to see nothing is sticking in them, if there is you just pull it out and carry on. No this did not set out as a company advert if you see how the thread started it has just gathered momentum. As a matter of interest I have not sold any product as a result of his thread.