2.2D Charge cooler development

tdi-north · 16th December 2011, 14:16

Anyone got a 2.2 near us fancy popping in so we can have a look over the car to evaluate the complexity of making a chargecooler kit for the car.

Drop me an email direct at info@tdi-north.com

Paul

Update:

These are a few pictures we have taken of the charge cooler setup all mocked up in position.

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It's being installed and tested next week.

Note: no modification to bumper or bodywork necessary with this setup.

Chip · 16th December 2011, 14:39

TDI South have had me waiting for this for over 9 months. If you were closer and I had 2 cars to use I would be up like a shot!

Chip · 16th December 2011, 14:43

Just used google maps and you are 3 hours from me. How long would you need the car until the finished product - and of course what price are we talking for the kit/install?! all pie in the sky until you have it i suppose!

Thanks Chip

tdi-north · 16th December 2011, 15:02

I didn't realise last night when you mentioned it the lads had already looked at a car this week and thought it could be done but didn't spend much time on it.
I would need a car in initially to have a good look at the space and layout then we can go from there.

To start with an hour or 2 then to actually install it would be a full day or possibly 2.
Timescales if its do-able we would only be looking a couple of weeks as we have the cores and materials in already.

Ben GT · 16th December 2011, 15:05

I work in Padgate, if you can get me to work after dropping car with you its fine to have mine.

Just dont laugh at how crap it is

Chip · 16th December 2011, 17:13

Go on Ben you are on their doorstep, you know it makes sense!

tdi-north · 16th December 2011, 22:26

If we can get a car just to look at and poke around with for a couple of hours we think we can sort a kit in a day. Initial inspection is just to make sure we have materials necessary.

Lou said something about the diesel intercoolers actually being smaller than our charge cooler cores and more like oil coolers. ???

Has it been proven its a bottleneck?

Ben GT · 16th December 2011, 22:28

Well mine is available.

I work on Green Lane just off Manchester Road so as long as someone can get me there its fine to have mine for the day

tdi-north · 16th December 2011, 22:52

That sounds like a plan.

Will get Lou to sort something with you.

coste1l · 16th December 2011, 23:15

guys if you have a look at my how to for installing the fmic you will see quite a bit of whats behind the bumper. theres dimensions kicking about and relic did some great 3d drawings as well

Chip · 17th December 2011, 10:43

tdi-north · 17th December 2011, 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by coste1l

guys if you have a look at my how to for installing the fmic you will see quite a bit of whats behind the bumper. theres dimensions kicking about and relic did some great 3d drawings as well

Can you pm me the links.
I'm scared to go out of the Type-R section.

Laney · 17th December 2011, 11:01

Lou Connor · 19th December 2011, 11:51

Ben you have a PM.

snowboundzero · 19th December 2011, 16:27

Very interested guys, You got a ball park figure for the kit? Just a rough guess at the price you would retail it at if possible. Please please please!

Ben GT · 19th December 2011, 16:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowboundzero

Very interested guys, You got a ball park figure for the kit? Just a rough guess at the price you would retail it at if possible. Please please please!

The car is going in tomorrow so they will probably have a better idea if its possible by tomorrow evening

tdi-north · 19th December 2011, 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowboundzero

Very interested guys, You got a ball park figure for the kit? Just a rough guess at the price you would retail it at if possible. Please please please!

Looking at kit alone IF we can do it and get enough interest to enable us to get bulk discount on the parts we will be looking at about £600-650 for the kit.
Then fitting. If we can do this really simply like the ones on the Type-Rs we might be able to supply then for people to DIY fit but you probably would need access to a ramp.

Will have a better idea after tomorrow.

tdi-north · 20th December 2011, 20:32

Thanks for the loan of the car Ben.

Well. Looks a go-err.

We can mount the charger cooler where the current intercooler sits and pretty much hook up with existing boost pipes.
We can also use the same cooler radiator as on the FN2 so that's good.

We can also look at a replacement hard pipe kit it people are interested.

Other goo news is we will also be able to offer remapping as required with these kits.
We are looking at a "Generic" 180bhp map and a custom one which should make it a lot easier on the clutch.

Next step is get a few more bits together and Christmas out the way then get Ben back in for a couple of days and fit a test kit.

Paul

coste1l · 20th December 2011, 20:36

sounds good guys i guess price will be the clincher....

tdi-north · 20th December 2011, 20:40

Ballpark still around £600-650 for the full kit I recon. Fitting we can easily do in a day or I can sort out a good set of DIY instructions for those handy with a few tools.

16th December 2011, 14:16	#1 (permalink)
tdi-north Commercial user Join Date: 3rd May 2008 Location: Warrington Posts: 3,879 Thanks given: 129 Thanked 597 Times in 457 Posts iTrader: (0)	2.2D Charge cooler development Anyone got a 2.2 near us fancy popping in so we can have a look over the car to evaluate the complexity of making a chargecooler kit for the car. Drop me an email direct at info@tdi-north.com Paul Update: These are a few pictures we have taken of the charge cooler setup all mocked up in position. IMAG0138.jpg IMAG0139.jpg IMAG0140.jpg IMAG0141.jpg IMAG0142.jpg IMAG0143.jpg IMAG0145.jpg It's being installed and tested next week. Note: no modification to bumper or bodywork necessary with this setup. Last edited by tdi-north; 25th January 2012 at 14:00.

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tdi-north Commercial user Thread starter Join Date: 3rd May 2008 Location: Warrington Posts: 3,879 Thanks given: 129 Thanked 597 Times in 457 Posts iTrader: (0)	I didn't realise last night when you mentioned it the lads had already looked at a car this week and thought it could be done but didn't spend much time on it. I would need a car in initially to have a good look at the space and layout then we can go from there. To start with an hour or 2 then to actually install it would be a full day or possibly 2. Timescales if its do-able we would only be looking a couple of weeks as we have the cores and materials in already.

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Ben GT Worlds dirtiest Civic Car: 2.2 Type S GT in NHB Join Date: 2nd August 2010 Location: Chester/ Northwich Posts: 2,443 Thanks given: 176 Thanked 285 Times in 249 Posts iTrader: (5)	I work in Padgate, if you can get me to work after dropping car with you its fine to have mine. Just dont laugh at how crap it is

16th December 2011, 17:13	#6 (permalink)
Chip Join Date: 5th March 2009 Location: Herts Posts: 2,213 Thanks given: 226 Thanked 154 Times in 147 Posts iTrader: (0)	Go on Ben you are on their doorstep, you know it makes sense!

16th December 2011, 22:26	#7 (permalink)
tdi-north Commercial user Thread starter Join Date: 3rd May 2008 Location: Warrington Posts: 3,879 Thanks given: 129 Thanked 597 Times in 457 Posts iTrader: (0)	If we can get a car just to look at and poke around with for a couple of hours we think we can sort a kit in a day. Initial inspection is just to make sure we have materials necessary. Lou said something about the diesel intercoolers actually being smaller than our charge cooler cores and more like oil coolers. ??? Has it been proven its a bottleneck?

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Ben GT Worlds dirtiest Civic Car: 2.2 Type S GT in NHB Join Date: 2nd August 2010 Location: Chester/ Northwich Posts: 2,443 Thanks given: 176 Thanked 285 Times in 249 Posts iTrader: (5)	Well mine is available. I work on Green Lane just off Manchester Road so as long as someone can get me there its fine to have mine for the day

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tdi-north Commercial user Thread starter Join Date: 3rd May 2008 Location: Warrington Posts: 3,879 Thanks given: 129 Thanked 597 Times in 457 Posts iTrader: (0)	That sounds like a plan. Will get Lou to sort something with you.

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coste1l Supporter Car: 09 Suzuki Swift Sport white Join Date: 16th January 2010 Location: Sunderland UK Posts: 17,849 Thanks given: 1,109 Thanked 1,975 Times in 1,866 Posts iTrader: (15)	guys if you have a look at my how to for installing the fmic you will see quite a bit of whats behind the bumper. theres dimensions kicking about and relic did some great 3d drawings as well

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Lou Connor Commercial user Join Date: 9th April 2010 Location: warrington Posts: 22 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts iTrader: (0)	Ben you have a PM.

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snowboundzero -=SBZ=- Car: 2.2 EX Join Date: 19th March 2011 Location: Sheffield S12 Posts: 769 Thanks given: 128 Thanked 65 Times in 60 Posts iTrader: (4)	Very interested guys, You got a ball park figure for the kit? Just a rough guess at the price you would retail it at if possible. Please please please!

20th December 2011, 20:32	#18 (permalink)
tdi-north Commercial user Thread starter Join Date: 3rd May 2008 Location: Warrington Posts: 3,879 Thanks given: 129 Thanked 597 Times in 457 Posts iTrader: (0)	Thanks for the loan of the car Ben. Well. Looks a go-err. We can mount the charger cooler where the current intercooler sits and pretty much hook up with existing boost pipes. We can also use the same cooler radiator as on the FN2 so that's good. We can also look at a replacement hard pipe kit it people are interested. Other goo news is we will also be able to offer remapping as required with these kits. We are looking at a "Generic" 180bhp map and a custom one which should make it a lot easier on the clutch. Next step is get a few more bits together and Christmas out the way then get Ben back in for a couple of days and fit a test kit. Paul

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coste1l Supporter Car: 09 Suzuki Swift Sport white Join Date: 16th January 2010 Location: Sunderland UK Posts: 17,849 Thanks given: 1,109 Thanked 1,975 Times in 1,866 Posts iTrader: (15)	sounds good guys i guess price will be the clincher....

20th December 2011, 20:40	#20 (permalink)
tdi-north Commercial user Thread starter Join Date: 3rd May 2008 Location: Warrington Posts: 3,879 Thanks given: 129 Thanked 597 Times in 457 Posts iTrader: (0)	Ballpark still around £600-650 for the full kit I recon. Fitting we can easily do in a day or I can sort out a good set of DIY instructions for those handy with a few tools.