FN2 Performance ECU now available - Page 3

Cap · 15th January 2008, 13:05

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Originally Posted by Marvintheandroid

Yea I agree with Reaver and the points he raises.

Im all for boasting the midrange as I also find it a little lacking (compared to a 2.0TDi for instance), but I think the chip must have a negative effect on fuel economy?

Also with the vtec coming on sooner surely this will invalid ** engine warranty etc?

And to re-iterate, why didnt honda use this chip in the first place? There must be a negative?

Ofcourse there is a negative, as you say or Honda would have done it originally...

1. You raise the rev limiter, wich will make you able to rev higher, reducing the lifetime of your engine slightly depending how often you hit the limit.

2. You will most likely have more fuel consumption (due to lowered vtec limit and reprogrammed fuel injection). I saw a ref of 10l/100km on moded, and thats about 1-2l more....

If you dont care about neither and the fact that your car is easier to steal, go fetch one!

miniturbo · 15th January 2008, 21:52

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Originally Posted by Cap

Ofcourse there is a negative, as you say or Honda would have done it originally...

1. You raise the rev limiter, wich will make you able to rev higher, reducing the lifetime of your engine slightly depending how often you hit the limit.

2. You will most likely have more fuel consumption (due to lowered vtec limit and reprogrammed fuel injection). I saw a ref of 10l/100km on moded, and thats about 1-2l more....

If you dont care about neither and the fact that your car is easier to steal, go fetch one!

i can assure you that fuel eco is really un affected under normal driving it could even be improved, there is far less need to change gear if your driving your 200bhp car with saving fuel in mind.

illegalhunter · 15th January 2008, 22:17

Why cant we get the the FD2 ecu map for the FN2

Cap · 16th January 2008, 07:54

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Originally Posted by illegalhunter

Why cant we get the the FD2 ecu map for the FN2

I dont think that its only the ECU map that gives the FD2`s extra 25HP...
The engine is modded aswell, flywheel, inlet, exhaust manifoild etc..

lozhoon · 16th January 2008, 09:44

i saw somewhere its a completley different engine, might be wrong

charlas · 11th February 2008, 01:05

The engines are pretty much the same in essence.

The Jap K20A has slight differences though, 11.7:1 compression being the biggest change compaired to the Euro K20Z4 11:1 ratio.

The Euro engine can be tweaked upto the Jap one without too much issue, just the wear rate and the difference in proposed lifetime of the two different markets that probably calls for the changes.

gjackson · 11th February 2008, 09:11

I'm surprised any insurance company has covered you for disabling the immobiliser.

montymole1 · 11th February 2008, 10:53

I bet his insurance company doesnt know ... dont think o would bother telling mine if you can just swap the chip out...

Would be right in saying that you have to fit the chip youself then ? is it hard to get too ? how long to fit ?

Definatley tempted...

TTDegs · 11th February 2008, 12:53

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Originally Posted by montymole1

I bet his insurance company doesnt know

I slightly sweeping statement!...

Quote:

... dont think o would bother telling mine if you can just swap the chip out...

I wouldn't recommend that...

"so sir, you reported your car stolen? And we paid out? Well the good news is that it has been recovered

The bad news is that we have discovered that the immobiliser wasn't working - and that was due to the un-disclosed hondata performance chip

We'll see you in court, and don't expect to ever get insurance on anything at all in the future - including your car, your life or your house or contents. Thank you, goodbye

"

montymole1 · 11th February 2008, 14:37

hmm good point.. perhaps i didnt quite think it through... lol

i guess the the insurance barstewards...would ramp up the price...as soon as you mention the work chip !

philiphenderson · 11th February 2008, 14:50

Where is the chip fitted? Could someone wanting to steal the car more easily replace it?

Phil.

TTDegs · 11th February 2008, 16:20

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Originally Posted by montymole1

hmm good point.. perhaps i didnt quite think it through... lol

i guess the the insurance barstewards...would ramp up the price...as soon as you mention the work chip !

you might be surprised...

Although I think the extra performance would be less of an issue than the dis-functioning immobiliser

TTDegs · 11th February 2008, 16:22

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Originally Posted by philiphenderson

Where is the chip fitted? Could someone wanting to steal the car more easily replace it?

Phil.

on the grounds of "what performance chip? Those gits who stole it must have fitted it!"?

gjackson · 12th February 2008, 10:32

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Originally Posted by TTDegs

on the grounds of "what performance chip? Those gits who stole it must have fitted it!"?

If thats your tact ensure you pay cash for it don't have it delivered to an address that you can be associated to, don't mention it on forums and remove all identifying indicators from it so even the manufacturers can't tell the ins company where when and to whom it was sold.

With the right insurance company the performance gains would have little impact on the premium though by disabling the immobilzer I'd be surprised if any would actually insure you against theft.

It's a nice expensive car to be taking that risk on.

NEEMSTAR · 12th February 2008, 14:26

i agree about the insurance companies being reluctant however like someone has mentioned before most 'new' cars are stolen WITH the key and also if you have blackjax they are not going to get very far, but insurance companies don't understand this , they are only out for money especially off youngsters.

civic_jaso · 22nd February 2008, 16:36

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Originally Posted by gjackson

I'm surprised any insurance company has covered you for disabling the immobiliser.

i just spoke to my insurance direct line, told them of my modifications and made it very clear that the new ecu makes my immobiliser redundant,told them twice it will have no immobiliser,but i will be fitting a toad cat 2.
there was a reply of doesn't matter we are not calling for an immobiliser on the system so up to you if you want to fit one,and i will make a small note on the system that you have one installed.

i even spoke to a police traffic officer who came into my shop,he said it's down to the discretion of your insurance supplier.
you can only go on what they say.

Vladd · 18th March 2008, 01:00

Reflash - Euro 07 Civic Type R

NEEMSTAR · 18th March 2008, 10:21

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Originally Posted by Vladd

Reflash - Euro 07 Civic Type R

the temptation is killing me

andreyka123 · 18th March 2008, 16:09

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Originally Posted by Vladd

Reflash - Euro 07 Civic Type R

Yes, thanks for the source link.

TTDegs · 18th March 2008, 16:49

does look rather tasty

'only' 10 ponies at the top, but that nice big lump of torque in the middle...

No mention of the immobiliser though, which the old version unfortunately disabled?

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15th January 2008, 22:17	#43 (permalink)
illegalhunter HACKIN & SLAYIN Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: In the woods armed to the teeth Posts: 2,891 Thanks: 6 Thanked 35 Times in 34 Posts iTrader: (0)	Why cant we get the the FD2 ecu map for the FN2

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lozhoon Wheelnut Join Date: 22nd July 2007 Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	i saw somewhere its a completley different engine, might be wrong

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charlas i-VTEC Junkie Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 29th January 2008 Location: Leics/Warwick Posts: 159 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	The engines are pretty much the same in essence. The Jap K20A has slight differences though, 11.7:1 compression being the biggest change compaired to the Euro K20Z4 11:1 ratio. The Euro engine can be tweaked upto the Jap one without too much issue, just the wear rate and the difference in proposed lifetime of the two different markets that probably calls for the changes.

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gjackson Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 5th February 2008 Location: West Yorks Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	I'm surprised any insurance company has covered you for disabling the immobiliser.

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montymole1 Wheelnut Join Date: 12th July 2007 Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I bet his insurance company doesnt know ... dont think o would bother telling mine if you can just swap the chip out... Would be right in saying that you have to fit the chip youself then ? is it hard to get too ? how long to fit ? Definatley tempted...

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montymole1 Wheelnut Join Date: 12th July 2007 Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	hmm good point.. perhaps i didnt quite think it through... lol i guess the the insurance barstewards...would ramp up the price...as soon as you mention the work chip !

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philiphenderson Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 6th September 2007 Location: Tyne and Wear Posts: 125 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Where is the chip fitted? Could someone wanting to steal the car more easily replace it? Phil.

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NEEMSTAR Nobody gets out alive Rocketship door handle Join Date: 7th October 2007 Location: In your mind Posts: 1,380 Thanks: 30 Thanked 24 Times in 24 Posts iTrader: (0)	i agree about the insurance companies being reluctant however like someone has mentioned before most 'new' cars are stolen WITH the key and also if you have blackjax they are not going to get very far, but insurance companies don't understand this , they are only out for money especially off youngsters.

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Vladd Valve Cap Join Date: 5th December 2007 Location: Moskow,Russia Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Reflash - Euro 07 Civic Type R

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	does look rather tasty 'only' 10 ponies at the top, but that nice big lump of torque in the middle... No mention of the immobiliser though, which the old version unfortunately disabled?