Engine sound question

[leeroy1986]

I've had this sound to it tends to be when i slow down just using the engine around 3k revs. I wonder if its because the type r engine uses belts (on the left when you open the bonnet) rather than chains. Its almost like a supercharger whine just not loud enough!

[Jeroen1000]

It appears to be a feature lol. Well they've told me it is completely normal. Also if you open your bonnet, the mettalic noise you hear are not the valves but the injectors. Also completely normal.

Feel free to get a second opinion at your dealer's

[R-2]

Thanks for the info.
Have to say that the noise when it happens doesn't sound very normal! To me the sound is like when something metallic catches in a fan
Problem is to get the dealer to hear it i would have to leave my car with them long enough for the engine to be completely cold before driving again! Then it would probably not happen!

Whenever i've had a fault with any car i've ever owned it always completely disappears as soon as i get near a dealer/mechanic!

Just like when my daughter is ill and she instantly gets better about 5 mins before we get to see a doctor!

[Jeroen1000]

Originally Posted by R-2

Thanks for the info.
Have to say that the noise when it happens doesn't sound very normal! To me the sound is like when something metallic catches in a fan

You are talking about the engine idle noise, are you (that one really sounds metallic)?
If not, the other one (3000rpm issue) does not sound metallic here. Is just a buzzing whining kind of sound.

Originally Posted by R-2

Problem is to get the dealer to hear it i would have to leave my car with them long enough for the engine to be completely cold before driving again! Then it would probably not happen!

Here I'm guessing you are definitely talking about the 3000 + rpm issue.
Best thing I can think of is that you ask them to take a look at your next service. Drop off your car in the evening, so it'll be cold when they start it the next day.

Originally Posted by R-2

Whenever i've had a fault with any car i've ever owned it always completely disappears as soon as i get near a dealer/mechanic!

Just like when my daughter is ill and she instantly gets better about 5 mins before we get to see a doctor!

Lol, maybe they both get scared because a mecanic is some kind of doctor.
It's just that the parts have warmed up masking the problem.

[Munro]

Mine makes a similar noise , I thought it was the fuel pump.

[Ed Case]

Jeroen and 914,
You are doing more damage than good by daring not to vtec. Moving parts need to bed in across their full travel. Valves will not be opening fully potentially causing uneven wear. Drive it across the full rev range and enjoy.
Check this:
Running in - Civinfo Wiki

[britsbest]

I got 6 rev lights last evening just to open every thing up.....it did!

[Jeroen1000]

Originally Posted by Ed Case

Jeroen and 914,
You are doing more damage than good by daring not to vtec. Moving parts need to bed in across their full travel. Valves will not be opening fully potentially causing uneven wear. Drive it across the full rev range and enjoy.
Check this:
Running in - Civinfo Wiki

An excerpt from the wiki:

Warm the engine up gently, then go for a normal drive accelerating hard (but not necessarily up to very high revs)

It's a bit in the dark whether to Rev up hard or not...

[Duecut]

Originally Posted by Jeroen1000

An excerpt from the wiki:

Warm the engine up gently, then go for a normal drive accelerating hard (but not necessarily up to very high revs)

It's a bit in the dark whether to Rev up hard or not...

Ive researched quite a bit into it (not wanting to break my baby) and taking the advise of a few friends (2 of them have the had 05 typeR's from new).

You've got to use the engine, you can take it into the VTec range Just dont kick the crap out of it. Taking it upto about 6.5 thousand revs once in a while (with a warm engine) will work the engine and give you a thrill!

[Jeroen1000]

Originally Posted by Duecut

Ive researched quite a bit into it (not wanting to break my baby) and taking the advise of a few friends (2 of them have the had 05 typeR's from new).

You've got to use the engine, you can take it into the VTec range Just dont kick the crap out of it. Taking it upto about 6.5 thousand revs once in a while (with a warm engine) will work the engine and give you a thrill!

It does have a logic to it. I'm thinking of following this advice. I won't be driving till sunday though as I'm giving it a good waxing job

[R-2]

Originally Posted by Duecut

Ive researched quite a bit into it (not wanting to break my baby) and taking the advise of a few friends (2 of them have the had 05 typeR's from new).

You've got to use the engine, you can take it into the VTec range Just dont kick the crap out of it. Taking it upto about 6.5 thousand revs once in a while (with a warm engine) will work the engine and give you a thrill!

This is kind of what i did with mine for the first 800 miles + i avoided motorways and travelling at constant speed.
Its feeling really good now and isn't using oil (still wonder about that noise though)
Go out there and enjoy the car. Its not a car just for travelling from A to B. Its for having fun in! . Its got a superb engine that just begs to be 'driven'

3 months and 2500 miles later and i'm still

[Ed Case]

I picked mine up, warmed her up, then did plenty of accelleration and winding down on the engine to seat the rings well.
I quote from EvoStu who was at the launch and a design consultant for the car: "Honda engineers say the car can be driven hard from the outset, any engine manufacturer worth their salt should be able to say the same."

Also check this, interesting read :

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

[damianscott71]

Originally Posted by Ed Case

I picked mine up, warmed her up, then did plenty of accelleration and winding down on the engine to seat the rings well.
I quote from EvoStu who was at the launch and a design consultant for the car: "Honda engineers say the car can be driven hard from the outset, any engine manufacturer worth their salt should be able to say the same."

Also check this, interesting read :

Break In Secrets--How To Break In New Motorcycle and Car Engines For More Power

That makes really interesting reading! Well done, great find!

[MateK]

Originally Posted by R-2

This is kind of what i did with mine for the first 800 miles + i avoided motorways and travelling at constant speed.
Its feeling really good now and isn't using oil (still wonder about that noise though)
Go out there and enjoy the car. Its not a car just for travelling from A to B. Its for having fun in! . Its got a superb engine that just begs to be 'driven'

3 months and 2500 miles later and i'm still

It will use oil... it should! That's the way the engine is built. Of course much depends on the oil u use and the way u drive but to be honest it's better to refill than not do that at all. I would be worried in a situation where I would not have to refill from time to time (5w-30 -> 15w-60).

[MateK]

Originally Posted by Ed Case

I picked mine up, warmed her up, then did plenty of accelleration and winding down on the engine to seat the rings well.
I quote from EvoStu who was at the launch and a design consultant for the car: "Honda engineers say the car can be driven hard from the outset, any engine manufacturer worth their salt should be able to say the same."

Also check this, interesting read :

Break In Secrets--How To Break In New Motorcycle and Car Engines For More Power

You are brave guy Ed but please bear in mind that this is not a motor. I red this article when I bought my fn2. You should balance that. Not going into VTEC it's not good during the breakin but driving hard either! I have started to use VTEC really hard after 5000km and changing the oil to full synthetic and I am happy about the car.

[R-2]

Originally Posted by MateK

It will use oil... it should! That's the way the engine is built. Of course much depends on the oil u use and the way u drive but to be honest it's better to refill than not do that at all. I would be worried in a situation where I would not have to refill from time to time (5w-30 -> 15w-60).

I do check it regularly and so far hasn't needed a top up. Oil level is still near the max mark. So i can't top up.......yet

[cnicolini]

Originally Posted by leeroy1986

I've had this sound to it tends to be when i slow down just using the engine around 3k revs. I wonder if its because the type r engine uses belts (on the left when you open the bonnet) rather than chains. Its almost like a supercharger whine just not loud enough!

No, No, No, these belts are for the alternater and aircon. The engine itself is chain driven, check the engine spec!

The noise also happens on my car, I believe that they all do it when its cold, but once the engine has warmed up it goes away! I've seen this on many threads on this site.

[Ed Case]

Originally Posted by MateK

You are brave guy Ed but please bear in mind that this is not a motor. I red this article when I bought my fn2. You should balance that. Not going into VTEC it's not good during the breakin but driving hard either! I have started to use VTEC really hard after 5000km and changing the oil to full synthetic and I am happy about the car.

Honda Care told me it came with Castrol Edge 0-30w fully synth from new.
First service in 4 weeks at about 6,500 miles. Goes like a dream.
Suspension, gearbox and brakes should be carefully bedded though.

[MateK]

Originally Posted by Ed Case

Honda Care told me it came with Castrol Edge 0-30w fully synth from new.
First service in 4 weeks at about 6,500 miles. Goes like a dream.
Suspension, gearbox and brakes should be carefully bedded though.

They lied to you Just kidding... to be honest it is a some kind of production oil which is half sythetic. When engine breaks in it cleans all metal scraps. Honda does not advise to not break in engine and just drive from begining the way it should. Some companies broke in the engines in factory but it was to expensive (VW) and they gave up. The way engine breaks in depends on driver and many other factors. That's why it should be done on the road.

[FN2 Type R]

Just reading this thread & i am glad im not the only one with this funny noise. I noticed mine not long after I got the car (6 months back), but didnt bother to take it to get it checked. Am taking it in this Thursday for the handbrake fix, but have mentioned to them the "noise" & 3rd gear problem.
Just so im clear at dealership, has anyone worked out what it is yet?
Mine occurs just over 3K revs & I can only describe it as a "Whine" or "whirling" sound.?