At the Lights...?

karobonas · 6th July 2008, 15:09

Hi,

I am just weeks away from purchasing my new CTR and I have been doing a lot of research against other cars in its bracket and how they compare 0-62. I wanted to see what cars you have beaten off the lights and not continued to race (because thats illegal remember

).

I am intrigued to see the results!!

KB

angie4m · 6th July 2008, 15:19

I don't really think a comparison could be done like this for the fact that if you know how to use the revs and launch the car properly but the other person doens't then someone in a micra could beat someone in a Porche for the fact that they aint paying attention, isn't their car yada, yada, yada.

We could also tell you it beats XYZ off the lights so then you go and try it when you get the car and you don't manage it and then you'll be on here saying you were told that it could beat that off the lights etc.

Quite frankly i'm not in my car to go racing and beating folk at lights, the people who try and do this I have found to be folk in a much underpowered car who seem to want to brag to their mates that they beat something much bigger and powerfull when infact you have nothing to prove....I get this a lot from little wide guys (not just boys) in Saxo's, C2's, Pug 106 Gti's when i'm in the M3 and I can easily put the foot down and wave good bye before they've even reached the other side of the junction.

However i've had folk in proper cars like the M3 stay behind me when coming upto lights when they could have gone along side and floored it from the off but these guys seem to appreciate a decent car and know that they don't have anything to prove and I maybe give the impression that its not my thing either. I don't know what it is, but folk in decent cars don't tend to do these things so why are you bothered?

karobonas · 6th July 2008, 15:27

Fair comments. Firstly I know its all down to the way you drive and pull away from the lights so I won't be complaining if I don't beat x if some has said they have. Secondly If I were to rephrase my opening comments I would say, what cars in the same bracket as the Honda have you attempted to beat of the lights if they were aware? I know its not a favourable comparison, its just for fun.

(p.s. as you maybe aware Angie, it happens a lot in Essex!! lol)

Dalboy · 6th July 2008, 15:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by karobonas

Fair comments. Firstly I know its all down to the way you drive and pull away from the lights so I won't be complaining if I don't beat x if some has said they have. Secondly If I were to rephrase my opening comments I would say, what cars in the same bracket as the Honda have you attempted to beat of the lights if they were aware? I know its not a favourable comparison, its just for fun.

(p.s. as you maybe aware Angie, it happens a lot in Essex!! lol)

Racing from lights not my idea of fun sorry

karobonas · 6th July 2008, 15:33

Not saying it is... I mean this thread is just for fun and in no way meant to be taken as a serious comparison!

Mr JP · 6th July 2008, 15:38

Karobonas although I haven't sprinted against a car in the same sector (e.g golf gti, astra vxr etc) I would say that to 62mph they are all so close it would be determined by the driver with reflexes, reaction time and skill than the car itself.

BUT in terms of 0-30/40mph for example (so from the lights) I would say the Type-R has an advantage in that the throttle seems more responsive, typical of normally aspirated engines vs the lag of turbo's. also with it being lighter than the others I would think could shift the weight a little quicker perhaps. And in my opinion having more traction because of less torque and bigger tyres (on my 19" rages)

Go on youtube and put in "fn2 vs" or type-r vs" and watch the results.

Theres so little in it though like I say, if you win, great, if you don't, feel sorry for the other guy that your car is styled better, more reliable, better residuals, is more fun to drive, and has a better engine!

Unless you get beaten by me!!!!

karobonas · 6th July 2008, 15:42

Cheers JP... another question.... do you feel a little kick from the ivetec? I remember in my friends Celica T-Sport I felt a little kick when the VVITL kicked in.

Mr JP · 6th July 2008, 15:47

Less of a kick than the ep3, it's smoother. The sound is amazing though! The car does create a false illusion of speed because of the lack of torque compared to other turbo charged cars, so it quickly gains speed without you noticing because of no turbo kick. It doesn't have the punch of a turbo but feels more agile and responsive and would be better on a track I believe.

I take it you have test driven other cars, that will settle it.

Mr JP · 6th July 2008, 15:49

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Celica was/is 180bhp right? the vvti (variable valve timing) in the Toyota's isn't as advanced as the Honda one either.

Don't forget Honda were the first to introduce it on an early Accord.

karobonas · 6th July 2008, 15:51

Yet to test drive the Civic, doing it tomorrow. I have driven the celica which is a similar technology I believe and the Focus ST which does have turbo lag then a surge of power....

Do you get a feeling of being pushed a little into your seat? To be honest.. having mostly driven my Ford Escort 1.6 91bhp majority of the time, I will probably feel a massive difference!

karobonas · 6th July 2008, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr JP

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Celica was/is 180bhp right? the vvti (variable valve timing) in the Toyota's isn't as advanced as the Honda one either.

Don't forget Honda were the first to introduce it on an early Accord.

192bhp yea.... Always lose in a sprint against the civics! lol

Dimplyred · 6th July 2008, 15:53

Yes you do get the feeling of being pushed into your seat, you'll see tomorrow.

karobonas · 6th July 2008, 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimplyred

Yes you do get the feeling of being pushed into your seat, you'll see tomorrow.

Cannot Wait.... I remember from the t-sport that you didn't then when the VVTI kicked in you did a little.

Mr JP · 6th July 2008, 16:04

yeah it plants you in you seat for definite.

By the way, don't get the bassworks upgrade whatever you do.

angie4m · 6th July 2008, 16:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimplyred

Yes you do get the feeling of being pushed into your seat, you'll see tomorrow.

I agree you do get the feeling when the Vtec kicks in and also the noise is great! Karobonas the only problem I think you'll have is having to come back out of Vtec, I think you'll like it too too much!

But I know what you mean about the Essex drivers.......Si is the same

Mr JP · 6th July 2008, 16:15

Karobonas, the best advice for the test drive I can give is engage all your senses, it's not just a powerful lump, you will love the close ratio short shift gear change, the sound will pleasantly tingle your ears, and the handling and responsiveness will be better than what you have driven so far. Get comfy in the cockpit!

Most of all enjoy it, and remember if the salesman gets you to rag it, then do it, but don't buy an ex demo from them afterwards lol!!!

karobonas · 6th July 2008, 16:18

I don't mind! I love Honda's my mum loves her S2000 even though I think its wasted on her driving style lol! Though i'm not allowed to drive it she says its a "comfortable drive".

I have a fixation on buying a faster car off the line than my Girlfriends Dad's which is an Alfa Romeo Spider 2007. According to the specs its 0-62 is slower than the type r's even though its a faster car! Hence the starting of this thread!

Are any of the speaker upgrades worth it in the type r? does anyone know if the ipod iTouch works with the adapter!! both these upgrades will lower or raise my deposite so I want to see if they are worth it!

R-2 · 6th July 2008, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr JP

Less of a kick than the ep3, it's smoother. The sound is amazing though! The car does create a false illusion of speed because of the lack of torque compared to other turbo charged cars, so it quickly gains speed without you noticing because of no turbo kick. It doesn't have the punch of a turbo but feels more agile and responsive and would be better on a track I believe.

I take it you have test driven other cars, that will settle it.

In the CTR the power doesn't come all in one 'lump'. The delivery is definitely smoother. Vtec still has a very noticeable kick though. Its a bit like pressing the nitro button (a la The Fast and the Furious

).

Never eyeballed a similar powered car at traffic lights. Too rural around here. But like Mr JP says you will always have the satisfaction of having the best looking, best designed and most fun car to drive.

Enjoy the test drive tomorrow and make sure you report back to us on here

R-2 · 6th July 2008, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by karobonas

I don't mind! I love Honda's my mum loves her S2000 even though I think its wasted on her driving style lol! Though i'm not allowed to drive it she says its a "comfortable drive".

I have a fixation on buying a faster car off the line than my Girlfriends Dad's which is an Alfa Romeo Spider 2007. According to the specs its 0-62 is slower than the type r's even though its a faster car! Hence the starting of this thread!

Are any of the speaker upgrades worth it in the type r? does anyone know if the ipod iTouch works with the adapter!! both these upgrades will lower or raise my deposite so I want to see if they are worth it!

I think the coaxial speakers are worth having, although others will probably disagree. I have them. I think the general consensus is that the bassworks upgrade is a waste of money. Even my dealer told me not to bother with this.

karobonas · 6th July 2008, 16:28

I will give you my verdict tomorrow! no worries! I want that pushed back feeling, that feeling over power as it were. I would prefer a steady set of power then a kick rather than no power at all then massive kick! By the sounds of it I won't be dissapointed!

6th July 2008, 15:09	#1 (permalink)
karobonas Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 30th June 2008 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 169 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	At the Lights...? Hi, I am just weeks away from purchasing my new CTR and I have been doing a lot of research against other cars in its bracket and how they compare 0-62. I wanted to see what cars you have beaten off the lights and not continued to race (because thats illegal remember ). I am intrigued to see the results!! KB

6th July 2008, 15:38	#6 (permalink)
Mr JP Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 2nd February 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 853 Thanks: 5 Thanked 30 Times in 30 Posts iTrader: (0)	Karobonas although I haven't sprinted against a car in the same sector (e.g golf gti, astra vxr etc) I would say that to 62mph they are all so close it would be determined by the driver with reflexes, reaction time and skill than the car itself. BUT in terms of 0-30/40mph for example (so from the lights) I would say the Type-R has an advantage in that the throttle seems more responsive, typical of normally aspirated engines vs the lag of turbo's. also with it being lighter than the others I would think could shift the weight a little quicker perhaps. And in my opinion having more traction because of less torque and bigger tyres (on my 19" rages) Go on youtube and put in "fn2 vs" or type-r vs" and watch the results. Theres so little in it though like I say, if you win, great, if you don't, feel sorry for the other guy that your car is styled better, more reliable, better residuals, is more fun to drive, and has a better engine! Unless you get beaten by me!!!! Last edited by Mr JP; 6th July 2008 at 15:41.

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6th July 2008, 15:19	#2 (permalink)
angie4m Moved on Civinfo guru Join Date: 28th September 2007 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,771 Thanks: 17 Thanked 32 Times in 32 Posts iTrader: (0)	I don't really think a comparison could be done like this for the fact that if you know how to use the revs and launch the car properly but the other person doens't then someone in a micra could beat someone in a Porche for the fact that they aint paying attention, isn't their car yada, yada, yada. We could also tell you it beats XYZ off the lights so then you go and try it when you get the car and you don't manage it and then you'll be on here saying you were told that it could beat that off the lights etc. Quite frankly i'm not in my car to go racing and beating folk at lights, the people who try and do this I have found to be folk in a much underpowered car who seem to want to brag to their mates that they beat something much bigger and powerfull when infact you have nothing to prove....I get this a lot from little wide guys (not just boys) in Saxo's, C2's, Pug 106 Gti's when i'm in the M3 and I can easily put the foot down and wave good bye before they've even reached the other side of the junction. However i've had folk in proper cars like the M3 stay behind me when coming upto lights when they could have gone along side and floored it from the off but these guys seem to appreciate a decent car and know that they don't have anything to prove and I maybe give the impression that its not my thing either. I don't know what it is, but folk in decent cars don't tend to do these things so why are you bothered?

6th July 2008, 15:27	#3 (permalink)
karobonas Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 30th June 2008 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 169 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Fair comments. Firstly I know its all down to the way you drive and pull away from the lights so I won't be complaining if I don't beat x if some has said they have. Secondly If I were to rephrase my opening comments I would say, what cars in the same bracket as the Honda have you attempted to beat of the lights if they were aware? I know its not a favourable comparison, its just for fun. (p.s. as you maybe aware Angie, it happens a lot in Essex!! lol)

6th July 2008, 15:33	#5 (permalink)
karobonas Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 30th June 2008 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 169 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Not saying it is... I mean this thread is just for fun and in no way meant to be taken as a serious comparison!

6th July 2008, 15:42	#7 (permalink)
karobonas Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 30th June 2008 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 169 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Cheers JP... another question.... do you feel a little kick from the ivetec? I remember in my friends Celica T-Sport I felt a little kick when the VVITL kicked in.

6th July 2008, 15:47	#8 (permalink)
Mr JP Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 2nd February 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 853 Thanks: 5 Thanked 30 Times in 30 Posts iTrader: (0)	Less of a kick than the ep3, it's smoother. The sound is amazing though! The car does create a false illusion of speed because of the lack of torque compared to other turbo charged cars, so it quickly gains speed without you noticing because of no turbo kick. It doesn't have the punch of a turbo but feels more agile and responsive and would be better on a track I believe. I take it you have test driven other cars, that will settle it.

6th July 2008, 15:49	#9 (permalink)
Mr JP Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 2nd February 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 853 Thanks: 5 Thanked 30 Times in 30 Posts iTrader: (0)	Correct me if I'm wrong but the Celica was/is 180bhp right? the vvti (variable valve timing) in the Toyota's isn't as advanced as the Honda one either. Don't forget Honda were the first to introduce it on an early Accord.

6th July 2008, 15:51	#10 (permalink)
karobonas Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 30th June 2008 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 169 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Yet to test drive the Civic, doing it tomorrow. I have driven the celica which is a similar technology I believe and the Focus ST which does have turbo lag then a surge of power.... Do you get a feeling of being pushed a little into your seat? To be honest.. having mostly driven my Ford Escort 1.6 91bhp majority of the time, I will probably feel a massive difference!

6th July 2008, 15:53	#12 (permalink)
Dimplyred Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th August 2007 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 4,702 Thanks: 19 Thanked 131 Times in 130 Posts iTrader: (0)	Yes you do get the feeling of being pushed into your seat, you'll see tomorrow.

6th July 2008, 16:04	#14 (permalink)
Mr JP Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 2nd February 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 853 Thanks: 5 Thanked 30 Times in 30 Posts iTrader: (0)	yeah it plants you in you seat for definite. By the way, don't get the bassworks upgrade whatever you do.

6th July 2008, 16:15	#16 (permalink)
Mr JP Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 2nd February 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 853 Thanks: 5 Thanked 30 Times in 30 Posts iTrader: (0)	Karobonas, the best advice for the test drive I can give is engage all your senses, it's not just a powerful lump, you will love the close ratio short shift gear change, the sound will pleasantly tingle your ears, and the handling and responsiveness will be better than what you have driven so far. Get comfy in the cockpit! Most of all enjoy it, and remember if the salesman gets you to rag it, then do it, but don't buy an ex demo from them afterwards lol!!!

6th July 2008, 16:18	#17 (permalink)
karobonas Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 30th June 2008 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 169 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	I don't mind! I love Honda's my mum loves her S2000 even though I think its wasted on her driving style lol! Though i'm not allowed to drive it she says its a "comfortable drive". I have a fixation on buying a faster car off the line than my Girlfriends Dad's which is an Alfa Romeo Spider 2007. According to the specs its 0-62 is slower than the type r's even though its a faster car! Hence the starting of this thread! Are any of the speaker upgrades worth it in the type r? does anyone know if the ipod iTouch works with the adapter!! both these upgrades will lower or raise my deposite so I want to see if they are worth it!

6th July 2008, 16:28	#20 (permalink)
karobonas Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 30th June 2008 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 169 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	I will give you my verdict tomorrow! no worries! I want that pushed back feeling, that feeling over power as it were. I would prefer a steady set of power then a kick rather than no power at all then massive kick! By the sounds of it I won't be dissapointed!