CPL FN2 Supercharger Info….

[NDFN2]

I think the discussion whether it makes sense or not simply ridiculous.
It must each decide for themselves whether it makes sense or not.
For me personally it makes sense, because to me by the manufacturers or, alternatively, a car powered by the concept nor by design, not to mention the price-performance ratio in any instance will not meet.

I say nothing more...

[Terry H]

Now I disagree, I think throwing money away is simply ridiculous not the discussion, It just cant be justified, there are standard cars, better, faster and better built for less money than throwing £6K (after brakes and suspension) at your type R . (you have to admit the car would need brakes) !

They was a fantastic condition code red ST3 08,fully loaded for £14k. Look on piston heads, you can get a brand new ST3 for 15K

As how much would I pay for a civic type R with 300bhp ?? well why should it cost anymore than a ST, Vxr, Coupra etc, The civic isnt any better and its still build in the Uk so the standards arnt of Jap quality.

Now if you look around for a 04/05 M3 pay around £16 to £18k for it you have a better car allaround than a SC Type R and in a few years time you would get the most of your money back.

I really cant see the logic of throwing that type of money at it, I dont even think the FN2 is going to be that popular in a few years people will move on.

I have had lads come up to me and say, " Hi mate your car looks nice BUT arnt these supose to be ***** ?" I find people have more bad things to say about them than good so eventually this must have a knock on effect with the value of that car.

I do like the car, I just dont think its worth putting anything else on it other than a panel filter and a cat back exhaust. if you want HP then sell it and buy a car with it !

[Mr JP]

Originally Posted by Terry H

Now I disagree, I think throwing money away is simply ridiculous not the discussion, It just cant be justified, there are standard cars, better, faster and better built for less money than throwing £6K (after brakes and suspension) at your type R . (you have to admit the car would need brakes) !

They was a fantastic condition code red ST3 08,fully loaded for £14k. Look on piston heads, you can get a brand new ST3 for 15K

As how much would I pay for a civic type R with 300bhp ?? well why should it cost anymore than a ST, Vxr, Coupra etc, The civic isnt any better and its still build in the Uk so the standards arnt of Jap quality.

Now if you look around for a 04/05 M3 pay around £16 to £18k for it you have a better car allaround than a SC Type R and in a few years time you would get the most of your money back.

I really cant see the logic of throwing that type of money at it, I dont even think the FN2 is going to be that popular in a few years people will move on.

I have had lads come up to me and say, " Hi mate your car looks nice BUT arnt these supose to be ***** ?" I find people have more bad things to say about them than good so eventually this must have a knock on effect with the value of that car.

I do like the car, I just don't think its worth putting anything else on it other than a panel filter and a cat back exhaust. if you want HP then sell it and buy a car with it !

I guess it would be for people who are planning on keeping there FN2 for a few years.

1. The K series don't break, EP3's been running SC's for years with no problem, remapped turbo's will only increase the terrible reliability in an aging lump anyway.

2. SC's have many advantages over turbo's

3. brakes & suspension upgrades are no more required than on a remapped turbo.

One point I will agree on is if someone wants bang per buck value and great performance, BMW M3 E46 = way forward.

My 2 pence worth

[NEEMSTAR]

Originally Posted by Terry H

They was a fantastic condition code red ST3 08,fully loaded for £14k. Look on piston heads, you can get a brand new ST3 for 15K

Brand new FN2's for 16k

Originally Posted by Terry H

As how much would I pay for a civic type R with 300bhp ?? well why should it cost anymore than a ST, Vxr, Coupra etc, The civic isnt any better and its still build in the Uk so the standards arnt of Jap quality.

Why ? A factory 300 bhp FN2 would wipe the floor with these cars. Never mind the fact that the turbo boys can get 300 bhp with 500 quid. You are paying for a finely tuned engine that oozes fun and class. Not an ancient turbo lump.

Originally Posted by Terry H

I have had lads come up to me and say, " Hi mate your car looks nice BUT arnt these supose to be ***** ?" I find people have more bad things to say about them than good so eventually this must have a knock on effect with the value of that car.

Umm because these lads allow JC to make their minds up for them without actually driving or living with the car?????
By the way the FN2 has the best residuals of all the hot hatches at the moment so not doing too bad in the current climate.

Originally Posted by Terry H

I do like the car, I just dont think its worth putting anything else on it other than a panel filter and a cat back exhaust. if you want HP then sell it and buy a car with it !

Agreed, when you selling yours btw?

[NDFN2]

Originally Posted by Mr JP

I guess it would be for people who are planning on keeping there FN2 for a few years.

1. The K series don't break, EP3's been running SC's for years with no problem, remapped turbo's will only increase the terrible reliability in an aging lump anyway.

2. SC's have many advantages over turbo's

3. brakes & suspension upgrades are no more required than on a remapped turbo.

One point I will agree on is if someone wants bang per buck value and great performance, BMW M3 E46 = way forward.

My 2 pence worth

TRUE!

I have already made a FN2 with a few mods and an 8-piston sports brake system of K-Sport.

Precisely for the above and many more reasons I FN2 as the base.

[chan267]

the supercharger has been proven over and over again that they are reliable which is a safe option to take if you choose to get more bhp than standard. As for turbos, talking from personal experience and many of my mate's cars, putting so much stress on the engine by increasing boost produced so many reliability issues.

I would invest in a supercharger if funds would allow because I didn't buy the fn2 to keep for a year or two but a few years at least. I know its not exactly the best value for money but I knew that when I brought a NA engine and had plans to tune it.

[polsonm87]

i'd rather a SC FN2 over any ford!
plus s standard FN2 has about the same performance as a focus st3 minus all the torque!

[Terry H]

I cant see why a factory stock 300bhp civic would whoop all the rest, yeah straight line unless they totaly updated the suspension and brakes. or is the reason it handels well (ish) is because its only got 200bhp.

what do you think a new 300bhp civic would cost ? again I think it would be very expencive in comparison with the rest in its class.

I know what JC said in the reports, I really like my civic and im not poo-pooing it.

As much as I would love a SC fitting on the car the overall cost for the gains just isnt worth it.
There is so much car available on the market now around 20 - 22K which is what it would cost to sc the civic.

If you could get a SC for around 2K them could deal with that.

[Terry H]

ST3 same performance as the type R,,, Have you ever been behind one with somone who can drive. up to 60 about the same after 60 they just go.
I know they are 2.5Turbo,, but the potental to tune, even mild tune so your engine is still safe is so much better. (and cheaper)

and im not to sure the build quality is that much better ??

[Juffled]

to supercharge your type r properly its going to cost around 7-8k i reckon, to do it properly you are going to need

JRSC (includes hondata)
Manifold
Gruppe M
Brakes (calipers and discs)
Suspension
LSD - essential
Clutch (may aswell)
Flywheel (may aswell)

so either you love your car and do this and its a beast....or...save the money for use on your next car and get something better, personally i would rather spend 7/8k on a track car

[Terry H]

I aggree, If your looking at 8K + the cost of the civic then your looking at a very nice FQ 340 / 360, or an 05 M3, I know what would be quickest, worth more in 2 years and to be honest looks nicer,

[NDFN2]

Back to topic guys.

@CPL-Racing: Can you post for the general public a few pictures of the Cold-Air-Intake how this looks?

This is the only question for me where still remains open at the moment.

Thanks!

[HONDA_CRO]

Can somebody explain what is mpg? Lynn was talking about that it doesnt work with SC?

[polsonm87]

MPG is miles per gallon. which is obviously affected by fitting a SC!

[aji621]

Originally Posted by Terry H

ST3 same performance as the type R,,, Have you ever been behind one with somone who can drive. up to 60 about the same after 60 they just go.
I know they are 2.5Turbo,, but the potental to tune, even mild tune so your engine is still safe is so much better. (and cheaper)

and im not to sure the build quality is that much better ??

This thread is making me angry, i think CPL Racing should come and sit with you while you Try to advertise product's espcially in this current market, and then they get to sit there and go, not worth it go buy somthing else.

how about you stop being a boring ******* and think. A Supercharged FN2? Awesome.

Just because YOU cant justify it, I could. Now on my Old civic sport i spent a Total of 9k just messing about with it, look wise & sound system and all the rest, I would have swapped the lot to have a Supercharged K20 Under the bonnet.

Its a Matter of Personal opinion, and as yours is Just SLANDER to a Very Good reputable Tuning Company. Shut up. We all have read you dont think its a Good idea. End.

And It wont be a total of 8k fullstop.

Charger Conversion = £3995, and im Sure if your going to be spending that, CPL will Help you out with locating the other bits you REALLY need.

Now will everyone stop being Spoilsports and Have fun for a Change. i got told this was a Friendly forum, and so far ive only read nice comments when it comes to peoples cars, and when you ask occasional advise, nothing else have i seen though. So lets all lighten up, at the end of the Day, CPL Having sat you down and are forcing you to pay up are they.

[HONDA_CRO]

A ok thanks. We dont have in galons in Cro so I didnt realize. Does somebody bought SC already? Is it difficult to instal by myself?

[dinoc]

Yes I agree with aji621 , CPL spent a lot of time with RD on a few important parts for FN2 !!!

[tpw]

The work Guy (CPL) is doing is great news for everyone. People grumble if nothing new is coming out then grumble when it does. People want choices and ARE willing to pay whether or not individuals think it is worth it there are always people that do.

Hats off and big thanks to CPL for moving the tuning potential along for everyone!

I spent way over £20K PLUS the price of the car on my old EP3 Type R and consider it money well spent for the enjoyment I got out of the car.
There are people spending 2/3x that much on their EP3's and FN2's and when you ask why it's because they love the car and the total package.

Regarding the MPG comment its because you fit 650cc injectors, twice as big as the stock ones. The fuel computer indicating MPG etc uses the old injector settings to base its calculations on and changing them bsically screws the system.

[aphemia]

Originally Posted by tpw

The work Guy (CPL) is doing is great news for everyone. People grumble if nothing new is coming out then grumble when it does. People want choices and ARE willing to pay whether or not individuals think it is worth it there are always people that do.

Hats off and big thanks to CPL for moving the tuning potential along for everyone!

I spent way over £20K PLUS the price of the car on my old EP3 Type R and consider it money well spent for the enjoyment I got out of the car.
There are people spending 2/3x that much on their EP3's and FN2's and when you ask why it's because they love the car and the total package.

Exactly - couldn't agree more.

[Nick-TypeR]

does anyone has the kit already on the car?? im thinking about it.. would love to see some pictures and a movie!